Football Season 2022-2023

[DingDongKing]

Juve docked 10 points and sure to miss out on Europe, board members banned, faced with criminal proceedings.

Meanwhile in England investigations have to get dragged out as long as possible until people forget and nothing can be done.

Nothing will happen. Because if something does happen, they’ll also have to go after Chelsea and Newcastle and then hunker down and block the eventual Qatar deal. Too much money on the line. Integrity doesn’t pay bills for the FA. So they ignore it.

[Kallisto]

yea it will be another 5 years, fuck man city.

Likely end up with it going to CAS after the five years and they once again go "Yeah, City is guilty as fuck, but it took too long to get a decision so we have to overrule."

[DingDongKing]

Likely end up with it going to CAS after the five years and they once again go "Yeah, City is guilty as fuck, but it took too long to get a decision so we have to overrule."

Can’t go to CAS. It’s not in their jurisdiction. But the FA are lenient enough to let it go anyway.

[Northern Goblin]

There hasnt been qualifiers for 4th place for years, but 3rd place would be something after the way they've played this season.

Huh, I missed that we don't have to play a qualifier anymore. Still a different seeding pot for the group draw though?

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Nothing will happen. Because if something does happen, they’ll also have to go after Chelsea and Newcastle and then hunker down and block the eventual Qatar deal. Too much money on the line. Integrity doesn’t pay bills for the FA. So they ignore it.

None of those teams money laundered through shell companies. Stop trying with this crap false equivalence argument, it doesn't wash.

[Biglog]

Fully expect if anything for City to just get a slap on the wrist. The league has dragged things out as long as they possibly could hoping to sweep it under the rug, and even prefaced the announcement of the charges saying it won't impact the outcome of this season. The league pattern across other sports for these kinds of things is pretty consistent, and league money ends up winning over punishment. See the 2017 MLB Houston Astros. The league will say the right things to fans, but the action will be light.

[DingDongKing]

Huh, I missed that we don't have to play a qualifier anymore. Still a different seeding pot for the group draw though?

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None of those teams money laundered through shell companies. Stop trying with this crap false equivalence argument, it doesn't wash.

So you’re saying there is nothing dodgy about the Chelsea model or the Newcastle model? Or is it really nothing off about the son of an ex PM of Qatar buying Man United model? It may not be money laundering, but there’s layers of dodge throughout these state run and oligarch deals.

[Northern Goblin]

So you’re saying there is nothing dodgy about the Chelsea model or the Newcastle model? Or is it really nothing off about the son of an ex PM of Qatar buying Man United model? It may not be money laundering, but there’s layers of dodge throughout these state run and oligarch deals.

Dodgy is subjective. What City did was a straight violation of the rules, no other club has done what they did. They literally created shell companies to inject money in through sponsorship, and paid their staff through other firms so the costs of City stayed low, and the income was artificially inflated.

Who else has broken the rules to that degree?

[DingDongKing]

Dodgy is subjective. What City did was a straight violation of the rules, no other club has done what they did. They literally created shell companies to inject money in through sponsorship, and paid their staff through other firms so the costs of City stayed low, and the income was artificially inflated.

Who else has broken the rules to that degree?

Tbh until the other culprits are investigated, we’ll never fully know. But the idea that owner led investment with no cap, apart from flimsy FFP, is fucking baffling.

[Northern Goblin]

Tbh until the other culprits are investigated, we’ll never fully know. But the idea that owner led investment with no cap, apart from flimsy FFP, is fucking baffling.

Well until you've proof of it happening otherwise, you're just engaging in wild speculation and presumption.

Whereas with City there's over 100 charges saying they did it.

[Marleycat]

Huh, I missed that we don't have to play a qualifier anymore. Still a different seeding pot for the group draw though?

Man Utd can only be in pot 2 for the next CL likely with Bayern, Real, Atletico, Newcastle pot 4, and Arsenal likely pot 3 but so many teams above them in the rankings wont be playing, they might scrape pot 2. Liverpool Chelsea Spurs Juve for example, depends a bit if City win it and Dutch champs go in pot one.

[DingDongKing]

Well until you've proof of it happening otherwise, you're just engaging in wild speculation and presumption.

Whereas with City there's over 100 charges saying they did it.

Devil's advocate can be that there's 100 charges, none of which have yet been proven.

Fact is state owned clubs and oligarch-style investment should not be a thing. It's a stain on the sport.

[durrtygoodz]

Man Utd can only be in pot 2 for the next CL likely with Bayern, Real, Atletico, Newcastle pot 4, and Arsenal likely pot 3 but so many teams above them in the rankings wont be playing, they might scrape pot 2. Liverpool Chelsea Spurs Juve for example, depends a bit if City win it and Dutch champs go in pot one.

I think Arsenal are pot 2 now if Juventus don't get CL with the point deduction.

[Jessicka]

So you’re saying there is nothing dodgy about the Chelsea model or the Newcastle model? Or is it really nothing off about the son of an ex PM of Qatar buying Man United model? It may not be money laundering, but there’s layers of dodge throughout these state run and oligarch deals.

No, it is literally laundering what City/Qatar are doing.

[jonnysensible]

Well until you've proof of it happening otherwise, you're just engaging in wild speculation and presumption.

Whereas with City there's over 100 charges saying they did it.

https://news.sky.com/story/newcastle...-sela-12887474

its comin lad its comin

meanwhile in germany in 3 parts:

The German Football League (DFL) to vote on plans to accept €2bn private equity investment in return for a % of future TV revenues.
German clubs have voted against the DFL's plans to enter into a partnership with a private equity investor.
The DFL's motion only received 20 votes and thus fell short of the 24 required for a 2/3 majority. There were 11 abstentions.

Britian is a tired old whore selling her ass to whoever comes along.

[DingDongKing]

No, it is literally laundering what City/Qatar are doing.

You mean like the Saudi company Sela that’s owned by PIF that will become a shirt sponsor for Newcastle United, which is a football club owned by PIF? Yep, agreed. Money laundering.

[Marleycat]

Hmm been listening to some stuff about Arnie Slot, I was on the fence till I heard the chat, sounds like hes a Spurs type manager, and done really well with a fairly average squad at Feyenoord. Got kind of excited about the prospect of him coming now, sounds like hes keen on the move too. Now just wait for Levy, to do his usual lowballing and last minute shit to screw it up. We'll end up with Knollsy the way he works

[MCMLXXXII]

It's Arne . But he has done well last two seasons. Problem is he still has a two year contract with no exemption in it. Feyenoord is looking fa a Nagelsmann like fee, that was 25 million euro. And if Slot goes to Spurs he's going to take Kökcu with him. That's going to be just like Ten Hag and Antony. 100 million is too much for Kökcu but PL teams always pay too much.

And somehow the incorrect claim that Feyenoord has an average squad, a claim almost exclusively held by Van der Vaart over here, made his way to the Isles. Feyenoord had the best players this season, especially for the Eredivisie. Would only take Kudus from Ajax or Simons from PSV over one of Feyenoord's players (both wings).

[Northern Goblin]

You mean like the Saudi company Sela that’s owned by PIF that will become a shirt sponsor for Newcastle United, which is a football club owned by PIF? Yep, agreed. Money laundering.

They're an actual company though, and sponsorships are still regulated.

At City they made literal shell companies just to funnel money into the club, or pay people off the books.

[MCMLXXXII]

Slot is staying with Feyenoord next season.
Wants to play CL and win the title again.

[DingDongKing]

They're an actual company though, and sponsorships are still regulated.

At City they made literal shell companies just to funnel money into the club, or pay people off the books.

They’re an actual company with the same owner. Etihad are also a legitimate airline, and apparently pay £67.5m a year to Man City in the most lucrative shirt deal in the sport. I get you want to say City are worse. But it’s also foolish to assume other clubs won’t do the same thing, when they know they can get away with it. The FA is toothless. Always has been.