They need a more advanced racial system.

[Unholyground]

I think what they should do is make it so you can pick and choose racials, that way everybody has the same choices. Then create a value system and for each racial ability then have a total for how many you can spend.

[loras]

The homogenization of race-class combinations is trending in the opposite direction of what you propose.

This.

Plus it'd be a balancing nightmare.

Not against OP's point though, sometimes shit is just silly.

[username993720]

Leave racials alone. They are an integral part of every race and a defining attribute.

[kranur]

Racials have not mattered since TBC for 99% of the community. This is an old meme.

Funny that you think you represent 99% of the community.

OT: Sounds good but just doesn't work well in practice. With nearly all classes available to all races this becomes even worse. Best they can do is just remove all activr combat racials and just add flavor stuff only.

[LilSaihah]

honestly i'd just delete racials
just pick whatever looks coolest

[trimble]

I think what they should do is make it so you can pick and choose racials, that way everybody has the same choices. Then create a value system and for each racial ability then have a total for how many you can spend.

That is just a derpy talent system...

[Unholyground]

That is just a derpy talent system...

It makes far more sense than the limited racial system we have now.

[Shadowferal]

It makes far more sense than the limited racial system we have now.

Please. The sensible idea is rooted in racial structure. And yes, that means limitations.
Not "I want what I want just because!" Homogenization has never made any sense.

[Unholyground]

Please. The sensible idea is rooted in racial structure. And yes, that means limitations.
Not "I want what I want just because!" Homogenization has never made any sense.

Well they could have one lesser racial that is race specific but not super powerful but then let you choose from a few additional.

[Mace]

actually he is just suggesting a deeper racial system with the caveat that some races seem more suited to certain classes "lore-wise". However I think the point was more the deeper system with multiple paths via a talent like system with the possibility of a racial weapon.

Perhaps choosing those different paths would allow ANY race to be better at ANY class depending on their path. Of Course you would have to have it balanced but unless a player chooses a wildly conflicting course, eg a Human Vrykul themed Frost mage trying to cast fire spells, or some such nonsense, then it would provide some much needed depth to the otherwise stale racial system we have now.

Pretty much this, they have to do both.

[Zodiark]

Pretty much this, they have to do both.

Yeah would be nice. These threads are fun but other than just putting an idea out there into the world it really is kind of futile. Or is it? You know some of the things I've ranted about on these threads seems to be kind of coming to pass. So who knows /shrug

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I have never given a hoot about racials. I think I used war stomp in RBGs during MoP on my Tauren warrior, but then eventually took it off of my bars because of button bloat. The only racial that was so good I thought about rolling an alt to use it was the Goblin's vendor discount trait, which you wanted to use for big purchases like mammoth or expedition Yaks.

Hm... this post made me remember that War Stomp existed. Maybe I will use it again for epic bgs.

[username993720]

I have never given a hoot about racials. I think I used war stomp in RBGs during MoP on my Tauren warrior, but then eventually took it off of my bars because of button bloat. The only racial that was so good I thought about rolling an alt to use it was the Goblin's vendor discount trait, which you wanted to use for big purchases like mammoth or expedition Yaks.

Hm... this post made me remember that War Stomp existed. Maybe I will use it again for epic bgs.

Making you a Tauren Chieftain.
That's what good about racials. They tie into the lore.
People here come from the perspective of top endgame PvP or PvE players and completely forget the lore aspect of these abilities.

[Soon-TM]

People here come from the perspective of top endgame PvP or PvE players and completely forget the lore aspect of these abilities.

Well, that's pretty much the only perspective that Ion cares about. He couldn't care less about lore or w/e.

[username993720]

Well, that's pretty much the only perspective that Ion cares about. He couldn't care less about lore or w/e.

Weapon specializations, for example, gave an insight into the culture of each race. Old races have lore explaining their racials. New ones don't even have that.

[Segus1992]

Racials have not mattered since TBC for 99% of the community. This is an old meme.

Is 99% of the community super casual in your mind? It was somewhere around Legion where racials started being insignificant in PvE, they're STILL very significant in PvP.

[HansOlo]

Is 99% of the community super casual in your mind? It was somewhere around Legion where racials started being insignificant in PvE, they're STILL very significant in PvP.

It's significant if you are going for the world champ tour(which you don't). If you are going for the mount, then it doesn't matter. People been proving that for 20 years now.

They only racial that matters is the human racial with 10% rep. That is a very significant if you are farming rep in terms of saved time, effort and money.

[Segus1992]

It's significant if you are going for the world champ tour(which you don't). If you are going for the mount, then it doesn't matter. People been proving that for 20 years now.

They only racial that matters is the human racial with 10% rep. That is a very significant if you are farming rep in terms of saved time, effort and money.

What? With this "logic", racials were never significant. You never needed racials to manage anything, but they give you an advantage. It's kind of like saying gear doesn't matter because a 418 mage beat a 430 warrior in a duel.

[Nymrohd]

Is 99% of the community super casual in your mind? It was somewhere around Legion where racials started being insignificant in PvE, they're STILL very significant in PvP.

Not even then tbh. Arcane Torrent was extremely important in Legion M+ especially considering the way people pulled in Legion (massive pulls shut down by AoE CC and AoE interrupts) and the hardest boss of the expansion ended up forcing multiple people to race change to goblins in order to deal with its mechanics. Not to mention Shadowmeld's use for skips.

[Melorandor]

I like the idea, and seems cool, the game is too bloated with systems at the moment.