After playing every class to max ranks and messing around a bit..

[Deleted]

Hi all!

I've recently played all classes to max level, did some raids, some pvp.

But out of all the classes, this one has bothered me the most, this class feels extremely outdated and lacks the tools to function, like forgive me if im missing something but what is the point of this class? literally everything this class does the other classes can do better and more.

Ret is a joke of a melee, no slows (reliable ones) no mobility, utility that is instant dispelled making the class useless. damage seems only to come from wings as sustained damage feels low or a bit of luck with legendary ring, it would seem the success of this spec requires others to do what you cannot, which is do the basic functions of a melee class.

the CC of the class is a bit of a joke aswell 1 minute cd on a stun where as literally every other class is 30 seconds or lower and the cc choices are also long cooldown and almost not effective in most situations.

Protection feels ok to play, but im a bit curious why this spec in pvp gets mobility bonuses that ret needs XD

Holy feels ok, the healing is very good, I'm guessing this is the only spec that makes this class playable.

But im not totally experienced, perhaps you guys can share your thoughts?

[Kalisandra]

What other class has freedom?

Monk, and it's better. Karma is a pretty good substitute for bubble too. Not perfect, better in some ways, and not in others, but pretty good.

Also our stun can be talented to be reduced in CD by each holy power we spend, which brings it back up before it's DR wears off so idk what you are talking about there.

Which means no other CD. Monks are better here, too.

[rubenmsalles]

And wait until BfA when you will have A LOT of downtime (aka deadtime) on target with no button to press for 3-5 seconds.
Yes Ret is like that. In Blizz eyes and part of the comunity, too, is perfect and competitive (in what kind of scenario, i will love to know, but it's ok).
And yes, most of the people play Holy and just then Prote/Ret for the same reasons.
The toolkit of ret isn't exclusive, you will have improved and similar toolkit spread out across all the other classes.
Welcome to the snailadin world, my friend.

[Felfuhrer]

I wouldn't call tigers lust better since it's not baseline like freedom is, and while it frees you from roots and snares it does not protect you from reapplication like freedom does for it's duration. You can honor talents it to give you a movement speed as well, not as fast as list but still something.

I'll concede that karma is pretty close to bubble and I would call it subjective which one you prefer, but ret has more defensives than just bubble while monk lives and dies by karma as a defensive

You are forgetting port that can be mobilty as well as defensive with the heal attached to it. If you are talking about pvp they have healing elixirs and fortifying brew.

On topic, ret needs more differentiation from holy and prot. Bop and freedom are more personal cds for ret than they are for holy/prot. Imo, they shouldn’t even be selfcastable let alone in our tool kit. Ret should be about offensive utilty like blessing of sanctuary. I would trade bubble bop and freedom for utility that is ret only and emancipate back

[EbonBehelit-]

The CC of the class is a bit of a joke as well 1 minute cd on a stun where as literally every other class is 30 seconds or lower and the cc choices are also long cooldown and almost not effective in most situations.

Death Knights and shaman say hello.

[Anufis]

You are forgetting port that can be mobilty as well as defensive with the heal attached to it. If you are talking about pvp they have healing elixirs and fortifying brew.

Except WW monks lost healing elixir and heal from port and Karma. You can only heal with Vivify.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Death Knights and shaman say hello.

Death Knights and shamen have less?

[Improtaight]

looks like some1 got beat up by a Ret, so he made a troll post in the ret forums . haven't seen this in a while!

[Deleted]

I heard ret damage was actually really good.
With the prepatch live, I'm gonna give it a try tonight.

[Deleted]

looks like some1 got beat up by a Ret, so he made a troll post in the ret forums . haven't seen this in a while!

Hey folks, what we have here is a low IQ retard!

Not only didn't he read what i put to begin with, because if he did he wouldn't write something so braindead!

Secondly this is not the "ret forums" this is the paladin forums, because paladins have 3 specialisations not one.

The public education system has failed this person.

Please refrain from insulting other forum users.

[Improtaight]

Hey folks, what we have here is a low IQ retard!

Not only didn't he read what i put to begin with, because if he did he wouldn't write something so braindead!

Secondly this is not the "ret forums" this is the paladin forums, because paladins have 3 specialisations not one.

The public education system has failed this person.

lol.
you just prooved my point.
you made an account just to rant out and troll a bit

i can see the hate you tried to cover, i did read your post, i stand by what i said.


btw - way to go on trying to sound smart, "low IQ retard", just wondering - do you know what threshold of low IQ is considered as mental retardation?
google it.

[Deleted]

lol.
you just prooved my point.
you made an account just to rant out and troll a bit

i can see the hate you tried to cover, i did read your post, i stand by what i said.


btw - way to go on trying to sound smart, "low IQ retard", just wondering - do you know what threshold of low IQ is considered as mental retardation?
google it.

How did you read his post? because it sounds like you didn't, otherwise i don't think you would of come to that conclusion.

[brad3pts]

Blessings are extremely valuable utility. Plus the lore and fantasy behind Paladin is very strong.

[Sigxy]

looks like some1 got beat up by a Ret, so he made a troll post in the ret forums . haven't seen this in a while!

He talked about the entire class, not just ret. I don'treally think you even bothered reading. '.'

Blessings are extremely valuable utility. Plus the lore and fantasy behind Paladin is very strong.

Lore and fantasy I can agree with. Blessings... questionable. At least Greater Blessings (Ret only buffs) feel pointless, would rather just have the old versions back of Kings/Wisdom/Might for the whole class.

[Alvito]

looks like some1 got beat up by a Ret, so he made a troll post in the ret forums . haven't seen this in a while!

So in your mind they got beat hy a spec and to get over that they made a post saying the spec is too weak? That is kinda the opposite of what you'd expect if one were to jump it that brand of silliness.

[lummiuster]

Hi all!

I've recently played all classes to max level, did some raids, some pvp.

But out of all the classes, this one has bothered me the most, this class feels extremely outdated and lacks the tools to function, like forgive me if im missing something but what is the point of this class? literally everything this class does the other classes can do better and more.

Ret is a joke of a melee, no slows (reliable ones) no mobility, utility that is instant dispelled making the class useless. damage seems only to come from wings as sustained damage feels low or a bit of luck with legendary ring, it would seem the success of this spec requires others to do what you cannot, which is do the basic functions of a melee class.

the CC of the class is a bit of a joke aswell 1 minute cd on a stun where as literally every other class is 30 seconds or lower and the cc choices are also long cooldown and almost not effective in most situations.

Protection feels ok to play, but im a bit curious why this spec in pvp gets mobility bonuses that ret needs XD

Holy feels ok, the healing is very good, I'm guessing this is the only spec that makes this class playable.

But im not totally experienced, perhaps you guys can share your thoughts?

You are the only class with a stun that last enough to kill someone under it (6sec stun). Ret lack a slow but you have a 70% ranged slow. Warriors can't even apply their slow on hunter/mages as they never touch them lol.
Ret is fine and on par if not better than War/DK (Divine intervention + BoP + explosive buble) makes you survive much longer than a warrior that simply walks for 10secs until it dies without touching its enemy.
I have played Ret/War and indeed there is a serious problem in BGs as it feels like all class have abilities to run away but our abilities to stick on targets have been limited.

[Deleted]

Hey folks, what we have here is a low IQ retard!

Not only didn't he read what i put to begin with, because if he did he wouldn't write something so braindead!

Secondly this is not the "ret forums" this is the paladin forums, because paladins have 3 specialisations not one.

The public education system has failed this person.

What did it feel like to touch his nerve xD

[Iron Tenth]

Blessings are extremely valuable utility. Plus the lore and fantasy behind Paladin is very strong.

No they are not.
Judging a spec by it's performance solely on prepatch days is unlogical and quite possibly stupid.

[DisRuptive1]

I picked Protection because I get to stand on the business end of a dragon with a big ass shield and a light sabre.

3 year member and I can't post pics.