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    The Unstoppable Force Ielenia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamonte View Post
    I think the answer lies in what happens when they are dead, may be for whatever reason they go to the same place where silvanas went and then they are offered a deal from the valkyrs "we get you out of this place but you serve silvanas", so they are force to go with it, i mean its that or hell.
    Nah, it can't be that. Your hypothesis would only make sense if those raised by Sylvanas showed reluctance in their servitude, but they don't. They display open contempt toward their former allies, and open, willing servitude to their former foes.
    "Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
    "You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
    "They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    They display open contempt toward their former allies, and open, willing servitude to their former foes.
    "totally not mind control" if its not i call bananas.

    Its like Sylvanas wiling allying with Arthas and the LK, because silvermon/quelthalas failed her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    "totally not mind control" if its not i call bananas.

    Its like Sylvanas wiling allying with Arthas and the LK, because silvermon/quelthalas failed her
    This. The line that Blizzard gives about free will being a cornerstone of Forsaken culture has always been BS. Blizzard thinks it’s cool to have playable Scourge, so they pretzel the lore around them so the other races don’t kill them on sight, but then still have them follow the Scourge playbook as far as their in-game actions/motivations are concerned.

    Using Derek Proudmoore as an example, people like to play semantics games and say that physical and mental torture with the goal of breaking someone’s psyche isn’t mind control. Even if we adhere to the aforementioned semantics, what Sylvanas was doing isn’t any better than just straight up using mind control, and in fact can be looked at as being significantly worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Nah, it can't be that. Your hypothesis would only make sense if those raised by Sylvanas showed reluctance in their servitude, but they don't. They display open contempt toward their former allies, and open, willing servitude to their former foes.
    May be the reluctance happens meanwhile they are dead, when they are bargaining with the valkyr, the same way silvanas was reluctant before accepting an alliance with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamonte View Post
    May be the reluctance happens meanwhile they are dead, when they are bargaining with the valkyr, the same way silvanas was reluctant before accepting an alliance with them.
    But if the end result is a person that resembles the original in nothing but appearance, with their minds twisted to hate their former allies and serve their former enemies, that is still 'mind control', even if the person willingly subjected themselves to the servitude under the threat of eternal damnation.
    "Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
    "You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
    "They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...

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    We can't really end this debate as long as we don't know what happens when night elves (or anyone) dies. Maybe 9.0 will answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    We can't really end this debate as long as we don't know what happens when night elves (or anyone) dies. Maybe 9.0 will answer that.
    Either it's shit writing or it's mind control/such dramatic warping of the mind that the person can't even be considered the same as before they died, which somehow equates to them wanting to lick Sylvanas' boots, which may as well be mind control.

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    It's just sh*t writing, and players need to let others know about it. Best way to do damage to the narrative team is to point out how bad there hack ideas really are. Use there own ideas against them by having players hate/loose interests in the story/lore being made. Now imagine if they tried to put this into a book chargin $20+ for this. Only to be filled with crap and holes. Remember Danuser and Gregory ignored and avoided answering any player questions during that trash twitch stream months ago. Spread the word and point out the crap there making.

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    I'd be really amused if this turned out to be some Halloween event or a placeholder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VooDsXo View Post
    Only people who play Nelf or are lore ignorant think the Night Elf are some noble race of great people. They in fact tried to murder countless other races for being different than them...Compared to most races the Nelf are the highest class trash in the world. Don't think because Malfurion and Tyrande are noble that the entire race or their history is noble at all.

    If the game was in anyway proper Undead would be able to be any race except Pandaren who wasn't victim to the scourge.
    Are you a Forsaken player?
    You sound like a Forsaken player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Moon_Priestess_Amara

    Seems like someone found out who this npc was prior. Fairly minor NPC living in Teldrassil. My first encounter with a mounted NPC that made me really want one of those cool sabercat mounts as a noob. Unfortunately that leaves no hint as to her role in future content.

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    It's nothing new, that's for sure. Play through the Silverpine questline and you see plenty of it.

    Val'kyr: Yo, you're dead now. You either serve us or get put back in the ground where we found you.
    Zombies: M'kay, fair enough.

    With the handwave excuse as well of some of them being briefly "crazed" after being rezzed and able to be directed towards enemies.
    It almost does, though, and you just said why it may be important, but you didn't realize it.

    She lived in Teldrassil. If she's now been raised, then what do you think that means?
    Personally, it sounds like Sylvanas is raising a bunch of Night Elves from within the remains of Teldressil with the whole "Elune abandoned you and let you burn. Join me, and get revenge."
    She could easily add "The king of Stormwind let you burn. Where was his army? Where were his Mages to help you escape? Why did Elune let you die?" etc etc.

    Not saying "OMG IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALLIED RACE FOR HORDE!", but it could be an interesting plot point at the very least, trying to turn the Night Elves against themselves, and against Stormwind like she wants. However, we won't know until the patch drops. She could've been somewhere else along the coast and been raised without the above, but which sounds more interesting?
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    ^^ ROFL. None of what you said matters.

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