Guilds dying because of Castle Nathria?

[kaminaris]

BFA gearing and progression was the worst I've ever experienced in the game. Tons of chores to "unlock" power on your gear. Tons of chores in the most faceroll, yet annoying content zones (Nazjatar and mecha) to get OP greentext gear for Eternal Palace. Titanforging making me hate my fucking teammates. Cap it all off with the most horrendously stupid OP RNG bullshit (worse than legion legendaries) ever to grace the game: corruption.

No thanks. Legion was bad for gearing, but BFA doubled down in nearly all aspects. Fuck that noise. I don't mind getting like 1 piece of loot a week, so long as that piece of loot is then fucking DONE for the entire tier and I know no one is getting anything better than that.

Everything you said here is pure false.
You did not have to do chores in BfA, quite literally could ignore everything, do a dung a week and be done.
Gear from nazjatar was good and it was also good because casuals could get decent gear. That one socket did not give you giga upgrade, could easily settle for no-socket version.
And the fact you can't enjoy other people luck means you are not suited for team play. Seriously, hating teammates because of loot?


Ad no, corruption wasn't close to what good leggo combo was. I did math on that.

BfA halved rng and power of rng of legion. TF was severly nerfed, rng leggos no more (corruptions did not give you similar power and corruptions rained down the sky), no more dumb ass arcanocrystal trinkets you farmed tokens for.

[BeepBoo]

Everything you said here is pure false.
You did not have to do chores in BfA, quite literally could ignore everything, do a dung a week and be done.

100% not. Islands gave the most azerite, which you needed to unlock gear. NJ gear was the OP for that raid, which required rep grinding and using their stupid companions. Sure, you could clear m+15 for OP weekly chest and hope it wasn't azurite slot.

could easily settle for no-socket version.

There is no settling if you're going for orange/gold parses breh, and that should be down to skill. Not luck. Not /played. Skill. Ergo, flat loot with no forging and a true BIS list that is attainable by simply clearing the raid weekly is my favorite system, WOTLK was best in this regard.

And the fact you can't enjoy other people luck means you are not suited for team play. Seriously, hating teammates because of loot?

I innately don't like team play. I liked LoL/DOTA best when they were focused on one team member being god and hyper carrying, and the reason I raided was to top charts, full stop. It remains one of the only competitive/cooperative games that has ever existed with any amount of infrastructure.

Ad no, corruption wasn't close to what good leggo combo was. I did math on that.

There is simply no way. The top tier warrior (when corruptions first dropped) had 90% of his dps coming from his absurd corruptions. That lasted for a LONG assed time during that tier.

[razorpax]

Everything you said here is pure false.
You did not have to do chores in BfA, quite literally could ignore everything, do a dung a week and be done.
Gear from nazjatar was good and it was also good because casuals could get decent gear. That one socket did not give you giga upgrade, could easily settle for no-socket version.
And the fact you can't enjoy other people luck means you are not suited for team play. Seriously, hating teammates because of loot?


Ad no, corruption wasn't close to what good leggo combo was. I did math on that.

BfA halved rng and power of rng of legion. TF was severly nerfed, rng leggos no more (corruptions did not give you similar power and corruptions rained down the sky), no more dumb ass arcanocrystal trinkets you farmed tokens for.

Your math has always been garbage

[Samuraijake]

Raid hadnt even been out two months and this op is like "WHEN IS THE NEXT RAID TIER BLIZZ?! GUILDS R DYING"

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now even Ion's special sauce has expired -- the raiding in CN is buggy, tedious, gimmicky garbage.

Whats buggy in nathria on heroic?

[Surfacin9]

Nathria is great, one of the best entry-level raids they ever did. For me personally only Karazhan and Naxxramas were better. Guilds die all the time, every tier, doesn't matter what they are - world top 100, mid-tier or a heroic progression ones. People quit because they quit. Many can say they don't like the expansion, and they would be right, since its completely subjective. But doesn't mean its bad. Every expansion people quit because they don't like it, yet every time there are people that stick and don't quit because they like the expansion.

[kaminaris]

100% not. Islands gave the most azerite, which you needed to unlock gear. NJ gear was the OP for that raid, which required rep grinding and using their stupid companions. Sure, you could clear m+15 for OP weekly chest and hope it wasn't azurite slot.

You didn't need to unlock gear besides very first month or two at the begining of exapansion. You didn't need to grind rep as reps were useless with a small exception of 8.3 to unlock essences. Weekly chest did not gave you azerite gear except for very first patch 8.0.

There is no settling if you're going for orange/gold parses breh, and that should be down to skill. Not luck. Not /played. Skill. Ergo, flat loot with no forging and a true BIS list that is attainable by simply clearing the raid weekly is my favorite system, WOTLK was best in this regard.

You couldn't get that anyways unless fights has been set up for you. That or you scumbagged. BTW if you did that, your neck level was irrelevant anyways. And a single mistake in rotation = minus one neck level.

I innately don't like team play. I liked LoL/DOTA best when they were focused on one team member being god and hyper carrying, and the reason I raided was to top charts, full stop. It remains one of the only competitive/cooperative games that has ever existed with any amount of infrastructure.

There, you said it. I'll be honest, I would like people like that completely gone from game.

There is simply no way. The top tier warrior (when corruptions first dropped) had 90% of his dps coming from his absurd corruptions. That lasted for a LONG assed time during that tier.

That is funny but no. When corruptions dropped it was expected for them to be better than normal gear, as people geared up, almost every spec swiched to passives ones. (except for DH, druid and one other spec i cant remember rn) Which means the best corruptions gave you ZERO innate dps.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...&class=Warrior
like that, quite literally first nerf and all warriors swiched from echoig void to expedient lol.

[BeepBoo]

You didn't need to unlock gear besides very first month or two at the begining of exapansion.

Lolwut? I wasn't even ap lvl 50 or whatever for cap by the time they said "we'll leave this as the cap instead of increasing it", which came sometime around BoD raid. Definitely way longer than a few months for someone like me who was lazy.

Let me break down the level of activity I want to put into wow and be competitive, just so you know where I'm coming from: Raid.

That's it. No world quests, no dumb assed side activities, no pvp, etc. Raid log. That's all I should have to do to be the best off for raiding. It was closest to that in WOTLK and it was glorious.

You couldn't get that anyways unless fights has been set up for you.

Only when essences were introduced. Before that, I had absolutely no problem routinely getting orange parses even with my semi-sped guild that limped its way through mythic.

That is funny but no. When corruptions dropped it was expected for them to be better than normal gear, as people geared up, almost every spec swiched to passives ones.

Not at all. The reason they switched was because infinite stars got numerous fucking nerfs across it's life. The first 2 months were dominated by meme shit.

like that, quite literally first nerf and all warriors swiched from echoig void to expedient lol.

Cool? Did I say "they never tuned it" or did I say they released some of the most broken dumb shit the game has ever seen? No one cares about post-nerf stuff that lowered it down, gave you targeted methods, etc. The concept and how it was released proved blizzard is, once again, beyond retarded at game balance.

[Utrrabbit]

tens of thousands... hell, i'll give you 250,000... is pretty sad for a game that used to have over 10 million players. and most of those 250k+ are in the 'get my minimum number done per week for a reward' bucket, gritting their teeth and just getting it over with like a chore.

this is one of the 3 end game pieces of 'content' -- mythic dungeons, raiding, and pvp. you'd be right in saying that mythic dungeons are in the best place of the 3, but that's damning with faint praise.

Currently subs for wow is 18mil and 80% of that is in SL.

[BeepBoo]

Currently subs for wow is 18mil and 80% of that is in SL.

Got a source for that? Active characters, MAUs, and unique accounts are all very different things.

[froschhure]

castle nathria as a raid itself is pretty cool!
but - less loot, lower rewards, conduits and a general feeling of "buy boosts because we don't care at all about wow any more" is the reason why players feel wow is utter trash. Contrary to this their value in stocks is rising.

Blizzard is resting on their era and this is going to be their downfall. Amazon publishing "Lost Arc Online" asap. That game kills diablo and wow in one catch. I first played it on korean server and later on russian (better ping). It's an every gamers wet dream.

SO no, It's not about nathria - it is about activision draining every corner in world of warcraft they can find.

[VinceVega]

castle nathria as a raid itself is pretty cool!
but - less loot, lower rewards, conduits and a general feeling of "buy boosts because we don't care at all about wow any more" is the reason why players feel wow is utter trash. Contrary to this their value in stocks is rising.

Blizzard is resting on their era and this is going to be their downfall. Amazon publishing "Lost Arc Online" asap. That game kills diablo and wow in one catch. I first played it on korean server and later on russian (better ping). It's an every gamers wet dream.

SO no, It's not about nathria - it is about activision draining every corner in world of warcraft they can find.

Lmao. Another weird asian gatcha game with instant finsih microtransations. Games like that will hoepfully NEVER be too big in europe/america

[kaminaris]

Lolwut? I wasn't even ap lvl 50 or whatever for cap by the time they said "we'll leave this as the cap instead of increasing it", which came sometime around BoD raid. Definitely way longer than a few months for someone like me who was lazy.

Let me break down the level of activity I want to put into wow and be competitive, just so you know where I'm coming from: Raid.

That's it. No world quests, no dumb assed side activities, no pvp, etc. Raid log. That's all I should have to do to be the best off for raiding. It was closest to that in WOTLK and it was glorious.

I hit 50 right before next patch that upgraded that to 70. No big deal, nobody cared anyway. Then I stopped caring till end of exp.

I also played wow just for raids but I am not delusional enough to belive catering to my needs is even remotely good for game. It's not.

Only when essences were introduced. Before that, I had absolutely no problem routinely getting orange parses even with my semi-sped guild that limped its way through mythic.

You could always do that by scumbagging. That or fights being incredibly easy.

Not at all. The reason they switched was because infinite stars got numerous fucking nerfs across it's life. The first 2 months were dominated by meme shit.

Numerical balance =/= issues with design. We all know blizzard is absolutely terrible with numerical balance. Bottom line classes were worse with bis corruptions than top tier with random ones.

Cool? Did I say "they never tuned it" or did I say they released some of the most broken dumb shit the game has ever seen? No one cares about post-nerf stuff that lowered it down, gave you targeted methods, etc. The concept and how it was released proved blizzard is, once again, beyond retarded at game balance.

Dude, they always release broken shit. How long u play? 5 months? Or memory is bad? What about arcanocrystal? What about broken legion leggos?
again:
Numerical balance =/= issues with design.
Concept was good. Problem was just with scaling (all of them should been nerfed by 50% at least).

[Najk]

The game keeps losing players like always after a few months. Blizz need to change it up to keep players

[froschhure]

Lmao. Another weird asian gatcha game with instant finsih microtransations. Games like that will hoepfully NEVER be too big in europe/america

It's not. Amazon is publishing it for EU.
This is a lot of budget for your so said "another weird asian gatcha game" and this statement of yours is racistic tho.

[VinceVega]

It's not. Amazon is publishing it for EU.
This is a lot of budget for your so said "another weird asian gatcha game" and this statement of yours is racistic tho.

But it is a weird asian game... with instant finish crystal to jump over chors like finishing quests or doing the actual instance via paying with real money...

Nothing racist about it

[razorpax]

It's not. Amazon is publishing it for EU.
This is a lot of budget for your so said "another weird asian gatcha game" and this statement of yours is racistic tho.

How???
Most Asian MMOs are filled with micro transaction garbage

It won’t kill WoW or Diablo

[kamuimac]

How???
Most Asian MMOs are filled with micro transaction garbage

It won’t kill WoW or Diablo

and you know why they are ? because most people dont mind spending money on stuff on internet

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[razorpax]

and you know why they are ? because most people dont mind spending money on stuff on internet

want proof ? look at how booming onlyfans is - even though you have porn for freee everywhere on net.

That’s a terrible comparison lol


The game looks like diablo immortal but for pc