1. #3661
    Epic! Deylana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Bucharest, Romania
    Posts
    1,687
    Kha'zix's clear is a bit sketchy at first and his early ganks are fairly hard to pull off, plus he's incredibly squishy which is not what most people look for in their junglers nowadays. Not to say it's bad, just not great. Oh, he's pretty good at going after the enemy jungler Shaco-style however since he snowballs like hell.

    Not a lot of knowledge on Volibear jungle.

    Vi used to have the best (I think?) clear time, very good ganks, very high burst and after 6 a gank from Vi was not something you could walk away from if she blew her ult. Her clear was nerfed a bit, haven't tried her out since the patch to check how bad it is. She's not going to survive being focused in team fights, but she can take a few hits.
    Meh.

  2. #3662
    Want to get new jungler,so need opinions Xin or Lee,both seem to be played often.

    Excuse me, are you saying something? Nah, you can't tell me nothing

  3. #3663
    Legendary! Thallidomaniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    6,037
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulDok View Post
    Want to get new jungler,so need opinions Xin or Lee,both seem to be played often.
    Even with the recent nerf, Xin Zhao is still a good initator jungler with a lot of CC. He does fall off though if you don't build any damage items on him, which seems to be the case for competitive players using him.

    Lee Sin fell off due to his last set of nerfs (nerfed the AS/MS slow 2nd activation of E, his W 2nd active no longer gives armor), so he's a bit harder to make work. He doesn't have as much CC as Xin though.

    Both can work, but Xin Zhao seems to better off at the moment.

    Enstraynomic - League of Legends
    TheEnst - Starcraft II

  4. #3664
    Bloodsail Admiral KunkkaTheAdmiral's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    The Seventyseven sea's.
    Posts
    1,155
    Thanks Deylana for the feedback, after I couldn't figure it out between Kha and Vi I just used the only reasonable answermachine... a coin.
    "Why do we fight? To protect home and family, to preserve balance and bring harmony. For my kind the true question is, what is worth fighting for?"

  5. #3665
    The Lightbringer Toxigen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    St. Petersburg
    Posts
    3,277
    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    Thanks Deylana for the feedback, after I couldn't figure it out between Kha and Vi I just used the only reasonable answermachine... a coin.
    Why? Vi is much stronger in the jungle.
    "There are two types of guys in this world. Guys who sniff their fingers after scratching their balls, and dirty fucking liars." -StylesClashv3
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Not finding-a-cock-on-your-girlfriend-is-normal level of odd, but nevertheless, still odd.

  6. #3666
    Anybody has a list of champions that can support even though they are mainly used elsewhere?

  7. #3667
    Legendary! Thallidomaniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    6,037
    Quote Originally Posted by S2omegaS2 View Post
    Anybody has a list of champions that can support even though they are mainly used elsewhere?
    Here's what I know of from the top of my head:

    Lux - Used typically as a burst AP caster, but can serve as a support due her CC (snare and slow), and her shield that can apply on allies twice.
    Elise - Goes either top/jungle/mid, but her potent poke and CC (the cocoon) can work in the support role too.
    LeBlanc - Goes AP mid to assassinate the hell out of them to move on as a roaming ganker, but can also work to help set up burst in potential kill lanes, and her E chains can either chain a target twice with E + R, or chaining two targets that way.
    Jarvan IV - Goes top/jungle/mid, but also has good CC as early as level 2 with the EQ knockup, W has a slow if you really need it, and despite the stereotype of "helping" with R, can actually work to keep enemies off of your team's squishies.
    Teemo - Yes, people seem to play this bugger in every role, even though using him in some of those roles is VERY questionable. (notably jungle, and ADC, and even his top/mid play can be questionable at times depending on your team's and the enemy team's compositions) He just pokes with E dot and Q as support, uses his W to try to bait enemies, and shrooms can be a psuedo-replacement for wards. (They last longer, but blow up after an enemy steps on it, and has a small vision radius than wards.)
    Last edited by Thallidomaniac; 2013-03-05 at 08:57 PM.

    Enstraynomic - League of Legends
    TheEnst - Starcraft II

  8. #3668
    Shouldn't Morgana be mentioned too? She's like Lux, like mid/ad caster but used as support too.
    Few times even saw Fiddle being played as support :S

    Excuse me, are you saying something? Nah, you can't tell me nothing

  9. #3669
    Quote Originally Posted by S2omegaS2 View Post
    Anybody has a list of champions that can support even though they are mainly used elsewhere?
    Morgana, Nidalee, Lux, Fiddle, and Malphite are all champions I've seen played in the support role with success. A Malphite support at level 6 makes the lane a complete terror, and Fiddle is pretty fun if you can keep brush control. I've seen people try to run Volibear support, too, buuuut not with much success.

  10. #3670
    Hey guys, I have a question which is not strictly related to this thread but can be answered in it. I used to play abit of old dota before and my favourite hero was crystal maiden aka Rylai. She had mostly CC abilities (Freeze, slow, mana reg and AoE frost damage). Now I'm starting to play LoL with my friends and I'm wondering which LoL hero would you recommend for me that is similar to Crystal Maiden in Dota?

  11. #3671
    The Lightbringer Caine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\
    Posts
    3,054
    I think you all are forgetting Zyra is primarily an AP mid, not a support, as well. ;D
    "Defending a position by citing free speech is the ultimate concession: you're saying that literally the most compelling thing you can say for it is that it's not illegal to express."

  12. #3672
    Stood in the Fire Raminax's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    On the snarky side.
    Posts
    485
    There's no one that's really a carbon copy of Rylai, but I guess I could suggest these if you want something CC heavy:

    Nami - AoE stuns, knockups, slows, decent healing and damage potential early on.
    Thresh - Hooks that stun, knockback/forward(?), slows, prisons/boxes and can transport allies to him. Some shields for sustain too. Tanky and has his soul collecting mechanism if that grabs your attention.
    Leona - Extremely powerful single target lockdown, but can root and slow/stun several people with some nicely placed skills. Provides massive burst damage. Fairly tanky as well.
    Janna - Slows, knockups, knockbacks, healing and shields for your partners. Mainly used for defensive peeling, however.
    Lulu - Powerful slows, knockups and polymorphs. Also provides shields and a very safe laning phase with her ultimate.
    Zyra - Roots, slows and knockups. Seeds can be used for vision too, but people rarely do so.

    Well, that's all I can really think of. And you could kind of simulate the mana regeneration aura by going Mana Manipulator, though the range kind of goes from global to in the immediate vicinity.

  13. #3673
    Over 9000! Duilliath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Moonglade
    Posts
    9,266
    Anivia, probably, for the more offensive part of her abilities.

    For the supporting/enabling side, consider Sona.

  14. #3674
    Legendary! Thallidomaniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    6,037
    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    There's no one that's really a carbon copy of Rylai, but I guess I could suggest these if you want something CC heavy:

    Nami - AoE stuns, knockups, slows, decent healing and damage potential early on.
    Thresh - Hooks that stun, knockback/forward(?), slows, prisons/boxes and can transport allies to him. Some shields for sustain too. Tanky and has his soul collecting mechanism if that grabs your attention.
    Leona - Extremely powerful single target lockdown, but can root and slow/stun several people with some nicely placed skills. Provides massive burst damage. Fairly tanky as well.
    Janna - Slows, knockups, knockbacks, healing and shields for your partners. Mainly used for defensive peeling, however.
    Lulu - Powerful slows, knockups and polymorphs. Also provides shields and a very safe laning phase with her ultimate.
    Zyra - Roots, slows and knockups. Seeds can be used for vision too, but people rarely do so.

    Well, that's all I can really think of. And you could kind of simulate the mana regeneration aura by going Mana Manipulator, though the range kind of goes from global to in the immediate vicinity.
    Nautilus is also an option for the CC-heavy pick.

    Enstraynomic - League of Legends
    TheEnst - Starcraft II

  15. #3675
    Quote Originally Posted by Daetur View Post
    Morgana, Nidalee, Lux, Fiddle, and Malphite are all champions I've seen played in the support role with success. A Malphite support at level 6 makes the lane a complete terror, and Fiddle is pretty fun if you can keep brush control. I've seen people try to run Volibear support, too, buuuut not with much success.
    I really don't want people to keep recommending Nidalee in the support role, she is really not good at all there. She might make laning a bit stressful for the enemy, but she is 100% worthless in teamfights unless you ninja kills and creeps from your ADC and build damage.

    The other 4, though, are really good I agree.

  16. #3676
    Don't forget Yorick. Can be extremely annoying.

    Saw him with Draven in a game earlier today, they wrecked.

  17. #3677
    Yet again I want to buy another jungler after I got Xin few days ago(thanks Thalli for nice comparison), but this time I'm looking to "cheaper ones" .
    So can anyone recommend some 1,3k up to 3,1k IP champions that are good/fun junglers, I thought about Malph or maybe Trynd,but maybe there's better picks at that price?

    Excuse me, are you saying something? Nah, you can't tell me nothing

  18. #3678
    The Lightbringer Toxigen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    St. Petersburg
    Posts
    3,277
    Quote Originally Posted by S2omegaS2 View Post
    Anybody has a list of champions that can support even though they are mainly used elsewhere?
    I guess you can support with any champion, but I'll give this a shot.

    Cho'Gath
    Elise
    Fiddle
    Galio
    Gangplank
    Heimer
    J4
    Karma
    Kayle
    LeBlanc
    Lux
    Malphite
    Maokai
    Morgana
    Nautilus
    Nidalee
    Pantheon
    Poppy
    Sejuani
    Shen
    TF?
    Volibear
    Yorick
    Zilean
    "There are two types of guys in this world. Guys who sniff their fingers after scratching their balls, and dirty fucking liars." -StylesClashv3
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Not finding-a-cock-on-your-girlfriend-is-normal level of odd, but nevertheless, still odd.

  19. #3679
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulDok View Post
    Yet again I want to buy another jungler after I got Xin few days ago(thanks Thalli for nice comparison), but this time I'm looking to "cheaper ones" .
    So can anyone recommend some 1,3k up to 3,1k IP champions that are good/fun junglers, I thought about Malph or maybe Trynd,but maybe there's better picks at that price?
    I would say fiddle, rammus, jax.
    Mal and Amumu are often banned.

    Amumu 1350
    Cho'Gath 1350
    Dr.Mundo 1350
    Evelynn 1350
    Fiddlesticks 1350
    Jax 1350
    Malphite 1350
    Udyr 3150
    Rammus 3150
    Shaco 3150
    Shen 3150

  20. #3680
    The Lightbringer Isrozzis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    The land of too much heat
    Posts
    3,279
    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    I guess you can support with any champion, but I'll give this a shot.

    Cho'Gath
    Elise
    Fiddle
    Galio
    Gangplank
    Heimer
    J4
    Karma
    Kayle
    LeBlanc
    Lux
    Malphite
    Maokai
    Morgana
    Nautilus
    Nidalee
    Pantheon
    Poppy
    Sejuani
    Shen
    TF?
    Volibear
    Yorick
    Zilean
    I vote for support LB. It's actually hilarious if whoever is support as LB knows how to play her well. You also need an adc that is out for blood. You don't do any pansy farming in that lane.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •