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    Yeah, I hope they sort that out in a future systems/expansion update. I honestly get annoyed every time I do a dungeon and I can't have Slave Y'shtola running alongside me.
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    Wee... I'm making progress. :<



    BTW just noticed that relic thingies are no longer spec crafts. Accordingly the price of the base mats has exploded and exceeds the price of the finished stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    BTW just noticed that relic thingies are no longer spec crafts. Accordingly the price of the base mats has exploded and exceeds the price of the finished stuff.
    Diadem gathering parties, let's go! When the patch had been around for a day or two, there were hundreds of underbidders on Phoenix, selling Dawnborne Aethersand as low as 10k à piece. Naturally, I bought myself 20 (due to some low gil at the time) and thought it would stay low. Currently risen to 33k à piece, so I technically earned myself 460k gil from buying it when they all underbid each other.

    Now that I think of it, I should've known it was going to rise again, which means I could earn a 330% profit per Aethersand. Why didn't I invest a million into those?!

    Ehm.. On topic on the token parts.
    Missing:
    *2 Oils (got 2 from weekly and 1 from Eso)
    *3 Ores (Eso)
    *1 Shell (Poetic)
    And then I can finally get my Hyperconductive Deneb.

    Edit: Hopefully it'll get nerfed to 10 or so, soon enough. I presume this was the part Yoshi P didn't want to do several times, as lots thought it was the 1st part (Atma) that he hated.
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  4. #24824
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Seriously? First time I've heard of that one.
    Always thought it was meant to be "MoP farm but BIGGER".
    I swear I remember them saying that that its their like way of solving the "housing need" during one of their Blizzcon panels but I could be wrong.

    Late response but yeah, I like the FFXIV pets much much more but the mounts not as much (I do have a few favorites and they do feature more polygons than WoW mounts still) and I wish they would do more Chocobo emote interactions. I want a mech chocobo damn it!
    I like the WoW mounts more too, well the ones that came out before Cata, not a big fan of the ones that came after. You have things like Invincible (love riding this around with my Challenge Mode armour) and then Mimirons Head. Sure you got some cool stuff in FFXIV like the Kobold Bomb mount and the Fat Chocobo but eh... though to be fair WoW has a LOT of craptastic mounts out there. Its just that the games been out for a long time and its been able to amass a decent amount of cool ones. I think.

    Like others said I wish you can have pets in dungeons... =/

    Wee... I'm making progress. :<
    At 20 of the unidentified items myself. Getting a lot of poetics at the moment from my friends who are doing dungeons for the first time. Life is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aruhen View Post
    I swear I remember them saying that that its their like way of solving the "housing need" during one of their Blizzcon panels but I could be wrong.
    In their defense: the initial Incarnation of garrisons was supposed to be much more customizable. So much got the ax in WoD development it's not even funny.
    "Largest team ever" my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Yeah the pet on shoulder (Midgardsomr does that too) is really cool.

    I just wish we could have the pet out when actually playing the game like in dungeons. As it is now, pets are something for when you idle around.
    Same. Imagine 24 moogles dancing in circles while you kill a gigantic medusa thing in void, lol.

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    I guess treasure profit is going to depend on your server's economy then. If I didn't have crafting I wouldn't make much, but it would still be a profit.

    The point was even if you're breaking even on treasure chests, you're still getting unidentified items unless you're the unluckiest person in the entire world. Which is a way to "farm" them outside of doing daily stuff. If you have a day where you want to grind them, there are ways to grind them.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Well the way to farm then w/o having to take financial risks would be to spam hunts / Alexander Gordias, no?

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    Gordias spam is gross, you need so many runs per item. If you get a good team that can spam clear it's probably find, but mind numbing.

    I still wouldn't call treasure hunting a gamble or a risk. If you do 30-40 and don't make more money, then I guess your server's economy just isn't conducive. Mine is, even without crafting, but crafting just makes it all the more so.

    Although I blew up two expeditioner thighboots earlier because I was using the wrong macro for it, so that was like 3m potential down the drain.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    I suddenly realised why I relate to Megumin in Konosuba somewhat.

    She is obsessed with the Explosion spell at the expense of combat effectiveness - She can literally only cast that spell and only once a day.

    I'm obsessed with running with carbies, on my solo dailies, at the expense of combat effectiveness - not that I can run with carbies in a group although the game doesn't restrict me in that regard.

    3.4 is going to be a long wait ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Gordias spam is gross, you need so many runs per item. If you get a good team that can spam clear it's probably find, but mind numbing.
    Yeah screw that shit. 10 runs to just get ONE item... no. I myself personally just do the beast tribes because I enjoy them (no really) and it gives me a ton of exp for my other jobs for little effort. Other than that I turn in poetics/esoterics. I'm at 30 or so at the moment after 3 weeks... whatever I'll get their eventually as I'm just doing it for glamour.

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    A more or less random question, but when should I be concerned with leveling some of the other crafting classes and whatnot? I've pretty much just been focused on rogue for now to get my Ninja and progressing through the base game before I decide on the expansion, does that work since you get the exp boost leveling other classes lower than the main? Or is it a good idea to try and level them too along with the main one?

    Also just saying, Duty Finders hate stuff like rogues and monks, don't think I've seen one drop just for normal disciplines of war class, it's always the tank or caster stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by xezar View Post
    A more or less random question, but when should I be concerned with leveling some of the other crafting classes and whatnot? I've pretty much just been focused on rogue for now to get my Ninja and progressing through the base game before I decide on the expansion, does that work since you get the exp boost leveling other classes lower than the main? Or is it a good idea to try and level them too along with the main one?

    Also just saying, Duty Finders hate stuff like rogues and monks, don't think I've seen one drop just for normal disciplines of war class, it's always the tank or caster stuff
    Crafting is pretty much another aspect of the game entirely. If you didn't need combat classes for story quests, the gathering and crafting system alone can be a game for some people. As for drops, I wouldn't worry. Starting at level 45, you'll get some armor that'll last you a good bit into 50. (It'll be item level 90 stuff so you can't wear it right away.) You can go to the market board to buy gear, but unless it's 10 or more levels out of date, it won't make a huge impact.

    At this point, I'd just focus on levelling up one class/job to 50 and make a decision whether or not to get the expansion right when you do the last couple quests. (It'll be two 8 man dungeons back to back.) You'll then have to go through all the level 50 story content before you can reach the xpac zones (which takes just as long as the 1-50 experience or just a bit less depending on queue times). The benefit is that you'll get enough xp to get around level 52 if you have the xpac while doing it.

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    I guess one other question I'm sorta interested in finding out about, I know FFXIV has a transmog system like WoW (or did it predate WoW's implementation?). But anyways, while leveling/questing, are there any unique looking armor pieces or weapons I should keep and not sell? For example, in WoW there are plenty of one-time weapons/armor pieces from quest awards where if you sold it off (at least before they expanded the item restoration) or had to choose between some, you could never get the other unique looking weapon/armor piece. Or are there basically no unique models to be on the lookout for since I've noticed there are similar pieces, but just dyed differently, which you can always dye yourself right?

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    There are quest unique items and I could be wrong but I believe there's an NPC vendor that sells them after you finish the quest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aruhen View Post
    There are quest unique items and I could be wrong but I believe there's an NPC vendor that sells them after you finish the quest.
    Yes their is also dungeon drops with green text often have a unique look. The aetherial items are all magic versions of regular stuff(in lore they house part of the soul of their originally owner who died)

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    That's interesting...so in theory, outside of like raid and dungeon drops I guess, any other armor you encounter I the game can be gotten back again if you like the look but discarded it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xezar View Post
    That's interesting...so in theory, outside of like raid and dungeon drops I guess, any other armor you encounter I the game can be gotten back again if you like the look but discarded it?
    Yeah and a lot of armor is crafter only too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Although I blew up two expeditioner thighboots earlier because I was using the wrong macro for it, so that was like 3m potential down the drain.
    Ouch.
    But you're Bruce Wayne... so 3M is pocket change for you anyway. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by xezar View Post
    Also just saying, Duty Finders hate stuff like rogues and monks, don't think I've seen one drop just for normal disciplines of war class, it's always the tank or caster stuff
    Go away... 90% of my drops are Monk/Bard crap. >.<

    To answer your question: Unless you are prepared to level ALL crafting classes to at least lv 50 (cross class skills are rather mandatory), let me give you a piece of advice for free: Do not bother with crafting classes.

    Gathering on the other hand is "stoopidly" easy to level and they are not interdependent. Gathering can make nice cash and cost next to nothing to level.
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    Finally took the plunge and started leveling gathering/crafting classes. I have all of them at 12/13, which for having started Saturday evening going in without knowing anything about how stuff work (or more specifically, where all the vendors are for various reagents), I believe is a reasonable pace.

    - GC turn-ins: Heard a bunch of hype about these, so went and checked and initially was underwhelmed. "How is 400 xp supposed to give me a level when I need 5k xp?". Then I realized the xp and item turn ins are based on your craft levels as of the time the turn ins reset (4 PM my time). So the ones I got to do yesterday evening were actually worth a massive chunk of xp. The ones from the first day were for level 1 crafters, and by that time I was already 7 or 8 on everything.

    - Leves: Did some of these for fishing, which made me realize that swapping out bait for higher level bait is a good idea, else I would probably still be fishing for some of those fish they wanted, heh.

    Amusing quest: The level 10 armorer quest. "Bring us 12 bronze plates!". So I walk 10 feet over to a vendor, buy them for pennies, then turn them in. "Wow, you made these?! Superb!"

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