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    *laughs* You will find that Fishing collectibles are ... different.... and frustrating because it's all RNG.

    The best way to level fishing is still sitting at a spot where you get only fish appropriate to your level and watch a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Which i can now use for something like MNK instead since this is way more efficient for gatherer.
    Leves are way more efficient for gatherers than for battle classes and more efficient than collectibles below lvl 50 and above lvl for fishing. For battle classes you have both PotD and dungeons which are more efficient than leves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    *laughs* You will find that Fishing collectibles are ... different.... and frustrating because it's all RNG.

    The best way to level fishing is still sitting at a spot where you get only fish appropriate to your level and watch a movie.
    Best way to level fishing is and will always be buying HQ fish on the market board and turning them in for leves. Farm / craft something with a high gil / hour, sell it and buy the fish. This is the optimal way to spend your time.

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    Well i was about to watch spirits within

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    Leves are way more efficient for gatherers than for battle classes and more efficient than collectibles below lvl 50 and above lvl for fishing. For battle classes you have both PotD and dungeons which are more efficient than leves.
    Right now a leve is moghome leves at 12 nodes for 173k xp, in sea of clouds 1 node gets me 1-4 spiders worth 77k each or higher right now. Thats a potential 308k xp PER node. 12 nodes in a leve for 173k or 12 nodes in the world for 924k-3.6mil xp in the roughly same amount of time and Botanist 59-60 is 3.8mil xp so thats almost an entire level farming 12-48 nodes in sea of clouds for collectibles or 22 leves where i farm 264 nodes. Granted even using the cooldowns of all 3 cordial types there is a little downtime you fill with normal node farming between them but the xp gain from collectibles is astronomically higher. Thus i can use those leves for the remaining dps classes that have nothing to do outside dungeons but fate spamming.

    -plus i dont need to pick up the leves, do 2, return to town, collect reward, pick 2 more, go out and repeat 11 times for the same amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    Best way to level fishing is and will always be buying HQ fish on the market board and turning them in for leves. Farm / craft something with a high gil / hour, sell it and buy the fish. This is the optimal way to spend your time.
    If you use RL money to buy gil: yes.
    If you don't you will spend more time farming gil than you'll spend fishing for levels. Esp once you consider that you can essentially fish brain-afk while doing sth else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    If you use RL money to buy gil: yes.
    If you don't you will spend more time farming gil than you'll spend fishing for levels. Esp once you consider that you can essentially fish brain-afk while doing sth else.
    To think there was a time people farmed in mmos before dvd box sets or podcasts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    To think there was a time people farmed in mmos before dvd box sets or podcasts!
    Then there is listening to music or audio dramas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    If you use RL money to buy gil: yes.
    If you don't you will spend more time farming gil than you'll spend fishing for levels. Esp once you consider that you can essentially fish brain-afk while doing sth else.
    Fishing for exp and the fish you need for leves while turning in those leves is lower exp gained than farming expensive materials to sell and then buy fish and turn in leves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    Well i was about to watch spirits within

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    Right now a leve is moghome leves at 12 nodes for 173k xp, in sea of clouds 1 node gets me 1-4 spiders worth 77k each or higher right now. Thats a potential 308k xp PER node. 12 nodes in a leve for 173k or 12 nodes in the world for 924k-3.6mil xp in the roughly same amount of time and Botanist 59-60 is 3.8mil xp so thats almost an entire level farming 12-48 nodes in sea of clouds for collectibles or 22 leves where i farm 264 nodes. Granted even using the cooldowns of all 3 cordial types there is a little downtime you fill with normal node farming between them but the xp gain from collectibles is astronomically higher. Thus i can use those leves for the remaining dps classes that have nothing to do outside dungeons but fate spamming.

    -plus i dont need to pick up the leves, do 2, return to town, collect reward, pick 2 more, go out and repeat 11 times for the same amount.
    I thought we were talking fishing? Ofcourse Botanist collectibles are faster. But fishing doesn't work the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    Fishing for exp and the fish you need for leves while turning in those leves is lower exp gained than farming expensive materials to sell and then buy fish and turn in leves.
    That varies from server to server. One cannot make a generalized statement in that regard.
    On my server, fish was ridiculously expensive when I leveled, so sitting down and watching a bit of Star Trek while pressing 2 buttons was the most effective way, as I did not have to contend with any RNG (getting the fish you actually need).

    Leveling fishing that way took maybe 1/3rd of the time I needed to level miner or botanist via leve spamming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    Fishing for exp and the fish you need for leves while turning in those leves is lower exp gained than farming expensive materials to sell and then buy fish and turn in leves.

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    I thought we were talking fishing? Ofcourse Botanist collectibles are faster. But fishing doesn't work the same way.
    Yeah im on about botanist, hit 59, went out and got a quarter of a bag of spiders, went back to idyllshire and hit 60, fisher is still 40 and waaays off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    That varies from server to server. One cannot make a generalized statement in that regard.
    On my server, fish was ridiculously expensive when I leveled, so sitting down and watching a bit of Star Trek while pressing 2 buttons was the most effective way, as I did not have to contend with any RNG (getting the fish you actually need).

    Leveling fishing that way took maybe 1/3rd of the time I needed to level miner or botanist via leve spamming.
    That and the cardinal rule of mmorpgs after "tanks keep the boss facing away from the party" is "never ever spend money on leveling"
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    Just got Botanist 60 - so now I've both Miner and Botanist up, just need to get materials for Ironworks set and I'm all ready.

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    Welp I'm a dumbass. Bought myself the Mog Staff item on the store and didn't read and just found out it's a 1 hander so can't glamour it . Needs to be a 2 hander variant of it because back then I can understand it being a 1 hander but BLM doesn't really use them as glamour or even gear anymore except maybe low level.

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    Despite not being sure about it I caved in and got a house.







    Still have to get some more stuff for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    That and the cardinal rule of mmorpgs after "tanks keep the boss facing away from the party" is "never ever spend money on leveling"
    This is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. Most MMO's are designed in a way that any money you make while leveling can be made in a fraction of the time at max level. If it makes you lvl faster you should definitely spend money to do it.

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    *snip*.
    Congrats!

    I need to get those new bookshelves and update our FC house with them. MOAR BOOKS!

    I like the outside of yours. Not too cluttered, but not empty.

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    Nice looking house. Check out this site for furnishings. http://en.ff14housing.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    This is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. Most MMO's are designed in a way that any money you make while leveling can be made in a fraction of the time at max level. If it makes you lvl faster you should definitely spend money to do it.
    While I don't agree with the "don't spend money on leveling" mantra 100%, it's not exactly stupid in some regards. There's little point in buying gear as you level, with perhaps level 50 being the one exception, since you can get massive stat jump courtesy of crafted gear. I've seen lower level gear selling for as much as what some of the level 50+ stuff sells for off vendors in HW areas.

    Leve turn ins can sometimes be bought for dirt cheap, though. Same with GC turn ins. I can't count the number of days I completed the FSH turn in for GC by catching whatever HQ fish is needed off the MB for no more than a handful of gil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    That and the cardinal rule of mmorpgs after "tanks keep the boss facing away from the party" is "never ever spend money on leveling"
    I respectfully disagree.
    Time is a valuable commodity and one of the 2 currencies you have in any MMO.

    Every item and action in an MMO costs [ingame currency] or/and time.

    The point of leveling effectively is to minimize the sum of said cost. If it is faster to spend gil than to farm because you can farm gil at a faster rate than you could farm the item -> spend gil (yes that includes "on leveling").

    Same logic applies to farmed mats people want to sell in the AH. Just because you didn't spend any gil, does NOT mean the item is "free". It still has exactly the same monetary value as if you were to sell it in the AH. So if you craft a product with it, calculate it's value appropriately. (You'd be surprised how many moron't do not get this)

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    Well, 2 ponies down, 4 to go...but I still need minimum 5 Soph Ex kills to get my weapon. Lately almost every group I've seen is a learning or clear group...which is on one hand, a good observation. Biggest turnoff to me with previous patches and their ex primals/trials was if you didn't get in a learning group within the first week or so, you could forget it..."farm, no bonus" all the way down PF list, heh.

    Course, push comes to shove, I've run Soph Ex enough that I could just toss together my own farm group. I'm also thinking more of them will show up during the weekend, when people have more time to dedicate to kicking her butt over and over.

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    I'm gonna restart the game this week-end (probably on Cerberus EU) but I'm not sure what race to play.

    I'm torn between staying with the same as my old char : Female Sea Wolf, or go Female Raen. I'll probably main Warrior at the beginning to speed queue times and even if all Female animations are the same with weapons (I think ?), I can't picture a Female Raen looking cool/good as a Warrior where the axe is as thick as your whole body (I'm also afraid of some clipping between my big horns and shoulders, gonna hide helmet in most cases).

    Then again I'll probably play all classes later and Raen looks good with the others but so does Female Sea Wolf (imo) and it's probably the rarest combo (or could be Hellsguard) while Raen seems third to the two Miqo'te so you see them a lot.

    What do ? Help please.

    One more question too, on my old char (Fem Roe) when I swith pose in Dark Knight with my weapon drawn, she goes into a stance when she plants her sword into the ground but I saw screenshots with female having the male pose (Sword on shoulder). How can you do that (and can you do it with all jobs) ? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    Well, 2 ponies down, 4 to go...but I still need minimum 5 Soph Ex kills to get my weapon. Lately almost every group I've seen is a learning or clear group...which is on one hand, a good observation. Biggest turnoff to me with previous patches and their ex primals/trials was if you didn't get in a learning group within the first week or so, you could forget it..."farm, no bonus" all the way down PF list, heh.

    Course, push comes to shove, I've run Soph Ex enough that I could just toss together my own farm group. I'm also thinking more of them will show up during the weekend, when people have more time to dedicate to kicking her butt over and over.
    A couple static mates and I tried Soph Ex in raid finder on an off night and had pretty good success there. And if you already cleared it, you can select that option as well, so you aren't in there with people trying to learn it.

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