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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    Were there any news about combat revamp?
    That will come in May during a big livestream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    It's not unique at all. You're just gonna be throwing chakrams instead of bows/bullets.
    Aesthetics mean a lot to me when playing a new class in an MMO, just as much as actually playing it. Its why I mostly stick to melee classes because they're usually more flashy and fun to watch while playing.

    Also, lol at the fucking salt mines on the official forums. That's the kind of shit that's been powering me online since 1995.

    I do hope they add male/female options for these races for those players though TBH.
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    My issue with the hrothgar is how unnatural their heads look. They look more like masks due to how little expression they showed.
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    I'm a bit salty about no healer but i guess i'll just deal with it.

    My main issue is with Hrothgar. It feels like they were quickly scraped together as some damage control to gender locking vieras. People may've asked for a beast race, not roe in fursuit. They don't even look savage, their hairstyles look like they visit stylist twice a week or something. Compared to, lets say, GW2 Charr, they just look ridiculous. You can't just put a Halloween mask and fur texture over a body and call it a beast race.

    But well, maybe they'll get better by release.

    Also i suppose "Male Vieras when" is going to become ff14 version of "High Elfs allied race when" for years to come. Can't wait it to be asked on every QA possible lol.
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    if you play horde after elegy, you literally do not have a soul.

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    Well I came out of this happier than I expected.

    Not a huge fan of the First Shard thing, but at least it sounds like they're taking this more seriously than Bizz did WoD. And at least it wasn't Time Travel shenanigans like we all thought 5 months ago.

    I wasn't going to play Viera anyway, so Hrothgar also does nothing for me. I guess it's cool that we get two races for the price of one. But good GOD can they touch up the faces on the Hrothgar before releasing them?

    I play AST so I had no interest in DNC as a healer. I suddenly have a big interest in DNC as a RDPS though. My easy choice of Gunbreaker for SHB MSQ is suddenly a lot harder.

    Nomura coming aboard to do the new raid series is a huge plus for me. I might actually do the raid series now, especially if he brings his belt fetish with him.

    I was wondering how they were going to make us Warriors of Darkness without making us villains, and I'll admit they pulled it off wonderfully. They for sure sucked all the air out of WoW's weekend for me.
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    Man they must really want their two new DPS jobs to sit in queues forever lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistrem View Post
    I'm a bit salty about no healer but i guess i'll just deal with it.

    My main issue is with Hrothgar. It feels like they were quickly scraped together as some damage control to gender locking vieras. People may've asked for a beast race, not roe in fursuit. They don't even look savage, their hairstyles look like they visit stylist twice a week or something. Compared to, lets say, GW2 Charr, they just look ridiculous. You can't just put a Halloween mask and fur texture over a body and call it a beast race.

    But well, maybe they'll get better by release.

    Also i suppose "Male Vieras when" is going to become ff14 version of "High Elfs allied race when" for years to come. Can't wait it to be asked on every QA possible lol.
    Someone on.... I wanna say Balmung's discord (update later: it was Mateus') had a similar thought. That someone higher up on the totem pole (probably Matsuno since the Viera are basically his) said hell no to male Viera, and the devs were stuck needing to create something male-locked to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangers58 View Post
    Man they must really want their two new DPS jobs to sit in queues forever lol
    Not sure if serious... as there's only one new DPS job. >.>
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    We need another healer ffs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yzak View Post
    Not sure if serious... as there's only one new DPS job. >.>
    Little you know, people in duty finder will play gunbreaker as a dps and however they want because "ITS COOL" and when you point out that they should tank will slap you "You don't pay my sub, kick me if you wanna wait queue again".

    Source: am a healer, have seen too much shit in DF over the years.
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    if you play horde after elegy, you literally do not have a soul.

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    they didn't show Minfillia's job in the trust system so we might get annother reveal later it just feels bad to not have another healer.

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    Tbh while i'm sad that there is no healer reveal, i'm also relieved it's not a dancer healer. For some strange reason Dancer healer just seem goofy to me. Shadow/Void based healer like defiler from RIFT or melee armored cleric healer would be much more interesting.
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    if you play horde after elegy, you literally do not have a soul.

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    The operatic music at the beginning of the cinematic is absolutely lovely. I hope it's a fullblown piece that will come with the OST, rather than just trailer music.

    It's crazy to look back and remember how optimistic r/FFXIV was yesterday. Now all I see is salt.

    I'm on board for Dancers being ranged DPS; ranged chakram users are among one of my most favorite archetypes and heavily under-represented in modern RPGs.

    A beastial race is cool, but the Hrothgar models don't look that interesting, as they look to humanoid. They stand up straight and don't have thick fur. I disagree with the "they're just reskinned Roe" criticism I've seen on the subreddit but they definitely look like a generic beast race from EQ. Contrast that with say, the Charr from GW2, who very much looked like beasts: they were hunched over, had long manes of hair, and even ran on all fours (RIP plainsrunning Tauren).

    Not sure how they could've made male Viera look anything other than male Mi'qote/Hyur with bunny ears. That said, given how much complaining there was about female Au Ra "not looking tough" there was on the official forums, I wonder if we're going to see a similar reaction given that there will be no female Hrothgar.

    The environment art on the First shard is gorgeous. The contrast of the blue water and flora in the Lakeland juxtaposed with the golden hue clouds is stunning. The slides seem to indicate that Fullmore will be the next city hub, but I'm hoping that the Crystarium is a full on player hub city with an inn and housing district. I love the glass + flora architecture.

    I wonder if I can get that Dwarf armor. Reminds me of Vivi with the yellow eyes poking out of the blackness, and the white beard looks cute too.

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    So to anyone complaining about not having a new healer, it is totally your right to be upset. If you're a healer main of course you're going to want a new job to mess around with. That being said, these two jobs are what's best for the game. There were only 2 physical ranged jobs in the game, so they had to include another one to bring it up to the rest of the roles. Then they had to decide between healer and tank. Considering tank is the least played role, this was clearly the right choice. Give people a new tank to generate some interest in the role, as well as a higher level one so that people can get into tanking relatively quickly.

    The next expac will likely be Healer/Caster so you'll get your time to shine eventually.

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    The Hrothgar are straight up male Ronso from FF10. I hope their models get some refinement, but I like the idea of them.

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    What's the lore behind genderlocking them to males only btw? Never heard about their race before.
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    if you play horde after elegy, you literally do not have a soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    I'd like to be a male Viera.

    There's no excuse for genderlock nonsense in modern mmos.
    Just because our human culture is inclusive to the very extremes of hilarity, does not mean that cultures of fantasy races have to be.
    I welcome the boldness of doing this, even though I won't ever play any different character myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    We need another healer ffs!
    Why?
    AST is already a carbon copy of WHM or SCH.

    I think the main reason for not doing another healer is because they couldn't come up with a concept that felt different enough to warrant a new class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Why?
    AST is already a carbon copy of WHM or SCH.
    Tbh i think most people are disappointed not specifically because there is no new healer job, but because healer classes are so similar and healing is so stale that they hoped for any kind of meta shakup, new healer was just a best candidate to cause that. Now we are doomed to do the same thing we did for 2 expacks already, maybe with some new doodads from new levels.

    And yeah, just as you said, they literally have healer with hots, healer with shields, and the only thing their imagination allowed them to do when they wanted to add a new healer was to make one that can do either, and throw in some buffs as a bonus.
    Quote Originally Posted by sillag View Post
    if you play horde after elegy, you literally do not have a soul.

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    Now to wait for the benchmark (probably mid May since the one for SB was May 1st for a June 20th release) to make the perfect Hrothgar to Fantasia my main and to create my first alt with a Viera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistrem View Post
    Tbh i think most people are disappointed not specifically because there is no new healer job, but because healer classes are so similar and healing is so stale that they hoped for any kind of meta shakup, new healer was just a best candidate to cause that. Now we are doomed to do the same thing we did for 2 expacks already, maybe with some new doodads from new levels.
    In order to change up the healing they would basically have to redesign the whole game.

    What we do as healers is dictated by the encounter design. I don't think SE wants to fundamentally change a winning formula, so I wouldn't hold my breath for any drastic changes to how healers approach the game. The fact that we spend so much time DPSing is already rather unorthodox, if you compare it to WoW style MMOs.

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