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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    You seen the people calling this "sexist and misogynistic" on the forums?

    That shit made me laugh out loud. Like there's a line between criticism and stupidity and those people stepped so far over into stupidity it's unreal.
    It's both hilarious and irritating. I think a lot of the outrage will die down soon enough, though. The patch on Tuesday should provide a distraction and get people talking about the MSQ stuff at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham II View Post
    It's both hilarious and irritating. I think a lot of the outrage will die down soon enough, though. The patch on Tuesday should provide a distraction and get people talking about the MSQ stuff at least.
    Yeah hopefully. That way they can at least read some of the actual criticism on the matter and at least listen to the sane people as to why they think it's a bad idea.

    Rather than going through the piles of "REEE SEXISM" and other garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    It's not understandable at all.

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    I simply meant as a decision they're making, it's their decision to make and they made it. I can understand people being disappointed, or not liking the decision, but hating the decision to the point of death threats? Seriously?

    It's a GAME, FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    That's.... actually pretty crappy.

    I would have gladly taken Male Viera now and no second race if this is the state of one of those races.
    It's not just the Hrothgar from that text, the Viera won't equip helmets either.

    That's pretty crappy, but I honestly don't like most helmets anyway, but it sucks the option isn't even there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    It's not just the Hrothgar from that text, the Viera won't equip helmets either.

    That's pretty crappy, but I honestly don't like most helmets anyway, but it sucks the option isn't even there.
    With the Visor system, reworking some helmets to work with Hrothgar muzzle would probably be stupidly hard to do, I prefer that they disabled helmets instead of butting their head against a wall and waste time. Better to work on other things that they can design/create/animate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTharne View Post
    Developpers not doing what you want = Lazy Game Design. Not.
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    Yea you're right Square is just a small indie company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I simply meant as a decision they're making, it's their decision to make and they made it. I can understand people being disappointed, or not liking the decision, but hating the decision to the point of death threats? Seriously?

    It's a GAME, FFS.

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    It's not just the Hrothgar from that text, the Viera won't equip helmets either.

    That's pretty crappy, but I honestly don't like most helmets anyway, but it sucks the option isn't even there.
    Aye. As I said hopefully once they've settled down from Fanfest and actually filtered out all the tantrums and death threat crap from the forums they can actually get a good look at the criticism.

    And as I said it does say a lot when even the JP community aren't exactly thrilled with this as well.

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    There is pretty established lore for the races, for instance Male Mi'qote Keepers are extremely rare in lore. So rare they're actually kept prisoner as sex slaves. In the game there is a grand total of about 2 Keeper Males. Rare, not nonexistant. Vierra however have no established lore for males, implying they just don't exist.

    This isn't the first game to do this or the first fantasy to do this either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leviathonlx View Post
    Yea you're right Square is just a small indie company.
    Every company no matter how big they are have limited resources and time.
    FF14 isn't the only project that they have to allocate money to and they sure as hell don't give everything FF14 make back into FF14 exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    If it was the Lore. Why not?

    It would be like people getting upset because Gerudo from Legend of Zelda are nearly exclusively Female, but since Ganondorf exists they expect there to be lore to support them playing a Male Gerudo
    But ganondorf is a rare male and the gerudo tribe makes males king. In contrast, Viera males are cast out only to come back to breed every now and then. When the males are rare they should stay rare.

    If they really wanted to be somewhat lore friendly they could have made a 1 to 10(whatever the actual ratio is)cap of males on the server.

    Imma be a bunny girl anyways so none of this phases me. But if the lore states that males are rare and the tribe is pretty much feminazi then why complain about it.

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    https://www.change.org/p/square-enix...6fd8djAhrVsdwg

    I didn't think this could get any more stupider. But it did.....

    I mean hell I don't like this at all but petitions are just absolutely idiotic.

    If people wanna be heard and pass on constructive criticism about it then sure but this is just a thinly veiled "muh gender identity" petition which is just sad.

  11. #44491
    Bit late to the JP Fanfest reaction here. I was far more bummed out over there being no new healer (Dancer or otherwise). Honestly give zero fucks about the gender locked new races, although it does backtrack on part of what they did with 2.0 (which added catdudes along with femroes and yours truly's Thighlander).

    Figure with enough positive feedback (such as the piles of fanart I've seen conjured up), male Viera and female Hrothgar could happen. I mean, doing so wouldn't technically be adding new races...just more options to existing races. I won't hold my breath on that, but I believe it's a reasonable possibility.

    On the healer note, I think they want the next healer to be a bit more different than the current ones. AST basically covers the functions of the other two healers.

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    All this panic over race genders and I'm more concerned that we're three months away from expansion launch and we know nothing about the game play changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    All this panic over race genders and I'm more concerned that we're three months away from expansion launch and we know nothing about the game play changes.
    Battle system changes will be explained in the Live Letter in May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    https://www.change.org/p/square-enix...6fd8djAhrVsdwg

    I didn't think this could get any more stupider. But it did.....

    I mean hell I don't like this at all but petitions are just absolutely idiotic.

    If people wanna be heard and pass on constructive criticism about it then sure but this is just a thinly veiled "muh gender identity" petition which is just sad.
    The best part is, Japan gives little fucks about people crying about Gender stuff. So I see this being pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    The best part is, Japan gives little fucks about people crying about Gender stuff. So I see this being pointless.
    Yeah they are actually presenting fair criticism to the issue at hand. Basically JP are being clever and concise about it.

    To be fair there is a bit of criticism about it even in Japan.

    However petitions like these are not the way to go about it. As I said hopefully the devs at least take the well thought out and constructive criticism and look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yeah they are actually presenting fair criticism to the issue at hand. Basically JP are being clever and concise about it.

    To be fair there is a bit of criticism about it even in Japan.

    However petitions like these are not the way to go about it. As I said hopefully the devs at least take the well thought out and constructive criticism and look at it.
    I'd honestly rather them not waste time with making a Male Viera or Female Ronso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    I'd honestly rather them not waste time with making a Male Viera or Female Ronso.
    But people would. All we can do is understand both sides of the argument.

    I personally want them to. However if they chose to I'd like them to leave it until 6.0.

    Even if they don't it would be nice of them to acknowledge and understand where the criticism is coming from. Of course filtering out all the vitriol and bile spewing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    But people would. All we can do is understand both sides of the argument.

    I personally want them to. However if they chose to I'd like them to leave it until 6.0.

    Even if they don't it would be nice of them to acknowledge and understand where the criticism is coming from. Of course filtering out all the vitriol and bile spewing stuff.
    Either way, after looking into what Shadowbringers is..well bringing. I will definitely finally be choosing it over WoW as my Main MMO. I've been playing them alongside eachother for a few years now and this expansion is finally whats pushed me over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Either way, after looking into what Shadowbringers is..well bringing. I will definitely finally be choosing it over WoW as my Main MMO. I've been playing them alongside eachother for a few years now and this expansion is finally whats pushed me over the edge.
    For me it was Heavensward and Stormblood.

    I just love the passion this team has for the game. Unlike WoW it feels like they want to make a game for the players and not the SE shareholders.

    However of course it's not one that's immune to criticism either. As I said I'm super pumped for Shadowbringers but the new races do need their opposites imo.

    And they have done a great job at listening/trying to work with the community with this game so I imagine it will happen if enough people want it but I guess just wait and see for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    For me it was Heavensward and Stormblood.

    I just love the passion this team has for the game. Unlike WoW it feels like they want to make a game for the players and not the SE shareholders.

    However of course it's not one that's immune to criticism either. As I said I'm super pumped for Shadowbringers but the new races do need their opposites imo.

    And they have done a great job at listening/trying to work with the community with this game so I imagine it will happen if enough people want it but I guess just wait and see for now.
    I love Stormblood a lot, but when I hit Eureka the grind was a bit much for me at the time with other games and RL stuff, but I came back again recently and have been having a lot of Fun.

    My favourite Final Fantasy is VIII. So having a Gunblade using class instantly makes this game worth sticking to.

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