1. #44561
    Bit late to the JP Fanfest reaction here. I was far more bummed out over there being no new healer (Dancer or otherwise). Honestly give zero fucks about the gender locked new races, although it does backtrack on part of what they did with 2.0 (which added catdudes along with femroes and yours truly's Thighlander).

    Figure with enough positive feedback (such as the piles of fanart I've seen conjured up), male Viera and female Hrothgar could happen. I mean, doing so wouldn't technically be adding new races...just more options to existing races. I won't hold my breath on that, but I believe it's a reasonable possibility.

    On the healer note, I think they want the next healer to be a bit more different than the current ones. AST basically covers the functions of the other two healers.

  2. #44562
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    All this panic over race genders and I'm more concerned that we're three months away from expansion launch and we know nothing about the game play changes.

  3. #44563
    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    All this panic over race genders and I'm more concerned that we're three months away from expansion launch and we know nothing about the game play changes.
    Battle system changes will be explained in the Live Letter in May.

  4. #44564
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    https://www.change.org/p/square-enix...6fd8djAhrVsdwg

    I didn't think this could get any more stupider. But it did.....

    I mean hell I don't like this at all but petitions are just absolutely idiotic.

    If people wanna be heard and pass on constructive criticism about it then sure but this is just a thinly veiled "muh gender identity" petition which is just sad.
    The best part is, Japan gives little fucks about people crying about Gender stuff. So I see this being pointless.

  5. #44565
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    The best part is, Japan gives little fucks about people crying about Gender stuff. So I see this being pointless.
    Yeah they are actually presenting fair criticism to the issue at hand. Basically JP are being clever and concise about it.

    To be fair there is a bit of criticism about it even in Japan.

    However petitions like these are not the way to go about it. As I said hopefully the devs at least take the well thought out and constructive criticism and look at it.

  6. #44566
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yeah they are actually presenting fair criticism to the issue at hand. Basically JP are being clever and concise about it.

    To be fair there is a bit of criticism about it even in Japan.

    However petitions like these are not the way to go about it. As I said hopefully the devs at least take the well thought out and constructive criticism and look at it.
    I'd honestly rather them not waste time with making a Male Viera or Female Ronso.

  7. #44567
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    I'd honestly rather them not waste time with making a Male Viera or Female Ronso.
    But people would. All we can do is understand both sides of the argument.

    I personally want them to. However if they chose to I'd like them to leave it until 6.0.

    Even if they don't it would be nice of them to acknowledge and understand where the criticism is coming from. Of course filtering out all the vitriol and bile spewing stuff.

  8. #44568
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    But people would. All we can do is understand both sides of the argument.

    I personally want them to. However if they chose to I'd like them to leave it until 6.0.

    Even if they don't it would be nice of them to acknowledge and understand where the criticism is coming from. Of course filtering out all the vitriol and bile spewing stuff.
    Either way, after looking into what Shadowbringers is..well bringing. I will definitely finally be choosing it over WoW as my Main MMO. I've been playing them alongside eachother for a few years now and this expansion is finally whats pushed me over the edge.

  9. #44569
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Either way, after looking into what Shadowbringers is..well bringing. I will definitely finally be choosing it over WoW as my Main MMO. I've been playing them alongside eachother for a few years now and this expansion is finally whats pushed me over the edge.
    For me it was Heavensward and Stormblood.

    I just love the passion this team has for the game. Unlike WoW it feels like they want to make a game for the players and not the SE shareholders.

    However of course it's not one that's immune to criticism either. As I said I'm super pumped for Shadowbringers but the new races do need their opposites imo.

    And they have done a great job at listening/trying to work with the community with this game so I imagine it will happen if enough people want it but I guess just wait and see for now.

  10. #44570
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    For me it was Heavensward and Stormblood.

    I just love the passion this team has for the game. Unlike WoW it feels like they want to make a game for the players and not the SE shareholders.

    However of course it's not one that's immune to criticism either. As I said I'm super pumped for Shadowbringers but the new races do need their opposites imo.

    And they have done a great job at listening/trying to work with the community with this game so I imagine it will happen if enough people want it but I guess just wait and see for now.
    I love Stormblood a lot, but when I hit Eureka the grind was a bit much for me at the time with other games and RL stuff, but I came back again recently and have been having a lot of Fun.

    My favourite Final Fantasy is VIII. So having a Gunblade using class instantly makes this game worth sticking to.

  11. #44571
    The whole race gender thing is just dumb. This is a FF fan service MMO not some gender thing.

    Fran is popular - makes fem viera.
    Kimahri is popular - makes male ronso.

    It's not some crap about masculine male and sexy female shit, they're literally based on the popular chars, they even made them look like those 2 in the keynote. They didn't use resources on other genders and instead brought 2 popular things to the game instead of 1 and a made up thing. That's all it is. They will probably add the other genders later, but I think for now this was the better choice.
    Last edited by threadz; 2019-03-25 at 02:21 AM.

  12. #44572
    Quote Originally Posted by MrTharne View Post
    With the Visor system, reworking some helmets to work with Hrothgar muzzle would probably be stupidly hard to do, I prefer that they disabled helmets instead of butting their head against a wall and waste time. Better to work on other things that they can design/create/animate.
    I don't disagree with the logic, it makes sense. Still boils down to "too much work," which doesn't exactly feel good as a consumer to hear IMO. I'd rather it take a little longer to implement and have SOMETHING like a modified helmet that maybe doesn't cover the face or something instead of no options at all.

    But like I said, I understand the time it would take and why they would make that decision, still feels a bit half-assed compared to the races we have now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Aye. As I said hopefully once they've settled down from Fanfest and actually filtered out all the tantrums and death threat crap from the forums they can actually get a good look at the criticism.

    And as I said it does say a lot when even the JP community aren't exactly thrilled with this as well.
    Yeah, maybe something will change, we'll see. I don't really care either way, but I'd much rather them spend time on content for everyone rather than implementing another race because people are complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    I love Stormblood a lot, but when I hit Eureka the grind was a bit much for me at the time with other games and RL stuff, but I came back again recently and have been having a lot of Fun.
    Ugh.. I just ... can't. I wanted to do Pagos for completionists sake but after 5 minutes of no mount instagib mobs and uncaring zerg of high levels I quit again.
    Even leveling MCH was more fun than Eureka and I friggin hate MCH!

  14. #44574
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I don't disagree with the logic, it makes sense. Still boils down to "too much work," which doesn't exactly feel good as a consumer to hear IMO. I'd rather it take a little longer to implement and have SOMETHING like a modified helmet that maybe doesn't cover the face or something instead of no options at all.

    But like I said, I understand the time it would take and why they would make that decision, still feels a bit half-assed compared to the races we have now.



    Yeah, maybe something will change, we'll see. I don't really care either way, but I'd much rather them spend time on content for everyone rather than implementing another race because people are complaining.
    They're probably having to squish in to meet investor and higher up demands, which is why they couldn't delay the expansion.

    If they're running up against time, flaws with a new playable race that has to be fixed later is the best problem to have, compared to broken zones, broken boss fights, broken class balance, ect. ect.

  15. #44575
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    https://www.change.org/p/square-enix...6fd8djAhrVsdwg

    I didn't think this could get any more stupider. But it did.....

    I mean hell I don't like this at all but petitions are just absolutely idiotic.

    If people wanna be heard and pass on constructive criticism about it then sure but this is just a thinly veiled "muh gender identity" petition which is just sad.
    Millions of players in FFXIV 635 have signed it... funny people truly need to stop throwing tantrums and just accept what they're given as there's reasons SE did what they did it's not WoW it won't retcon it's lore every 5 mins after their lore has been concrete for many years.

  16. #44576
    I wish i was surprised that people who are absolutely fucking clearly upset their fetish fuel isn't being added in are using the good old anita sarkeesian school of "dont do what i want? better start a mob claiming you are some form of blank-phobe witch hunt" to try and fear monger a developer into doing what they want.

    Sometimes i see people throw shitfits about a playable character/race being one gender and it makes me think of the meatheads in the 90's who wouldn't play Tomb Raider "because 'oo wants to play some dumb bird innut bruv?". If it aint "i play girls because staring at a mans ass is totes gayballs" its "ew cooties gross". It would seem more sincere if for everybody i see wanting that viera male concept art from years ago i see a dozen or two just wanting alphinaux with bunny ears in lacy fetish gear for extremely transparent reasons. This is thirsty motherfuckers upset they aren't getting their wank material and i bet you given their tactics its the same people who get buttmad about games like senran kagura because they are "gross and creepy" but boy if the shoe aint on the other foot this time.
    http://theeorzeanfrontier.blogspot.co.uk/ Neckbeard rambling about this weeaboo trash

  17. #44577
    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    Fran is popular - makes fem viera.
    Kimahri is popular - makes male ronso.
    Balthier is probably more popular, he was FFXII's leading man afterall. The man delivered dry wit with style and panache. I'm going to be disapointed if he doesn't show up in Shadowbringers in some form or another, we've already had Fran and Ba'gamnan, it seems odd leaving him out.

    As for Kimahri, I always thought he was a personality vacuum. He doesn't really have any defining traits beyond stoicism, and that's not really enough to build an entire character on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Even leveling MCH was more fun than Eureka and I friggin hate MCH!
    MCH is the one class I'm hoping gets some significant low level changes - It plays like a horrible broken mess. Probably because it is until you get to 70. Playing it at all is a bit of a chore, they should just overhaul the whole thing imo.

  18. #44578
    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryZebra View Post
    MCH is the one class I'm hoping gets some significant low level changes - It plays like a horrible broken mess. Probably because it is until you get to 70. Playing it at all is a bit of a chore, they should just overhaul the whole thing imo.
    I find a lot of Jobs in FFXIV feel like a Mess until near max level. That's my one gripe about Duty Roulette is having to remember what skills/passives you've lost every time you level sync.

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    A lot of the people asking for Viera men to be added legitimately disgust me and I wish I could say more to counter them on the official forum without getting banned. I hope Yoshi-P doesn't appease them and instead adds Viera men that look like muscular adults if the gender lock is ever removed. Japan in general has started to - thankfully - move away from certain aesthetics, so I don't see a hugely successful game like FFXIV resorting to adding what those players desire. If they ever were added, I'd likely quit.

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    In other news, I've been mostly working on FSH lately. 77/185 big fish caught now! I'm going to aim for at least a hundred before Stormblood.

  20. #44580
    https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...k_controversy/

    At least Yoshi has commented on it and is willing to listen to/consider feedback at least. Better than nothing.

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