1. #45541
    Quote Originally Posted by Uselessrouge View Post
    guess ill just wait until the 28th if i get a full box with level skip not really in a hurry
    Just to clarify, the level boost and story skip potions are not included in any box/ purchase of the game. I just advocated waiting until ~28th to buy the complete edition that includes Shadowbringers. If you buy the Complete edition now, it will only include Stormblood and you'll have to buy Shadowbringers separately.

    https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/shado...s/product#cpse

    You can order it now apparently, I'm not sure how that works....
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  2. #45542
    Quote Originally Posted by blackblade View Post
    To add, it is worth checking mogboard.com for the best price on your datacenter. can shave off a few hundred grand no problem by hopping between realms and using their MB.

    Otherwise your best bet for gear is to hammer the raids. Ridorana Lighthouse drops 360 gear, as do the omega raids. Getting a weapon will be shitty, though. You'll need to do O8, 4 times for a 360 weapon, or O12 4 times for the 390 weapon. you can get a 340 weapon from B-rank hunts to get your foot into ridorana/O8.
    I got a 365 weapon for my rdm from leveling in heaven on high.

  3. #45543
    Quote Originally Posted by Usernameforforums View Post
    I got a 365 weapon for my rdm from leveling in heaven on high.
    That's a lot of time to spend farming though, when an ilevel 380 weapon costs maybe ~250k?

    I wouldn't advocate farming HoH for an ilevel 365 weapon unless you're going to be doing it anyway and want to spend the aether levels on it, because it takes a LONG time to get enough aether levels to buy a weapon.

    The amount of time you spend in HoH could easily be used to farm other content for gil that could be used to get you a better weapon AND better gear.

    As I said though, if you're going to be in HoH anyway, why not?

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  5. #45545
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshingo View Post
    It's almost like FF14 is a RPG with a focus on the story or something.
    ehh, I'd prefer being able to read it instead of the cutscenes

  6. #45546
    Quote Originally Posted by Nasuuna View Post
    ehh, I'd prefer being able to read it instead of the cutscenes
    Except it's not a book, so I really have no idea what you're expecting if you're upset that a japanese rpg has more than just paragraphs of text on a blank screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isilarya View Post
    https://www.twitch.tv/finalfantasyxiv

    Live Letter about to start.
    Lots of good stuff here. The trust system looks pretty dang cool. Lots of nice QoL changes (Shocking, I know), and Yoshi-P trolling everybody with all the lore questions. Super psyched to see Eden too, that little clip looked exactly like the GF from FF8, so it'll be fun to see what else from that game makes it into the new raid.

    Also really liked how they said that basically every dungeon, and most of the post-80 dungeons, were all tied to the MSQ. I like almost all the FF14 dungeons but it did bug me a bit that some (A lot more than some in ARR) were just one off arbitrary stories. Stories that were cool in their little context, but still unrelated to anything else. I'd much rather they all feel natural and be connected to the main story, so that got me a little more excited when I heard it.

    2 more weeks!

  7. #45547
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    That's a lot of time to spend farming though, when an ilevel 380 weapon costs maybe ~250k?

    I wouldn't advocate farming HoH for an ilevel 365 weapon unless you're going to be doing it anyway and want to spend the aether levels on it, because it takes a LONG time to get enough aether levels to buy a weapon.

    The amount of time you spend in HoH could easily be used to farm other content for gil that could be used to get you a better weapon AND better gear.

    As I said though, if you're going to be in HoH anyway, why not?
    It’s not farming if you just casually level up your alts through HoH

  8. #45548
    if i buy a level boost is there something like a tutorial?


    i want to play a Dark Knight and dont want to do 3 months of story quest befor the addon.. i heard i can get a level boost and a story skip thing , would it be worth it or will i be lost as new player?

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    Probably gonna transfer to Twintania for a quick 10 gold feathers. Won't be able to buy Twintania mount but there are other mounts.

  10. #45550
    Quote Originally Posted by MrTharne View Post
    And after you have learned the mechanics what do you do ? That's right you optimize your rotation just like...any action/rpg game ever.
    You don't need to view the game as "some kind of competitive MMO style "Imma best!" epeen stroking game" to be DECENT at your job (i.e. Using AoEs, never stop casting if in no immediate danger, rotating defensive CDs, knowing how your job gauge works and how to use it.) that's pretty easy to do.
    Except that is not what they wish to foster within the community as an expectation amongst the playerbase. The previous poster was trying to justify his reasoning for DPS meters and such with shitty logic. Optimisation is one thing, wanting to kick players because they aren't performing at his standard of dick stroking is entirely another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    If you cause a dungeon run to take anywhere even close to the maximum time limit, you deserve to be kicked and blacklisted, because that level of incompetence or bad play should be punished. Not because you're "bad" but because you absolutely unnecessarily wasted so much time for 3+ other people. That's pretty indefensible, IMO, as it's completely disrespectful. There's a difference between being new to an encounter and making a few mistakes while learning and failng the same mechanic repeatedly with no improvement or asking for help and being completely unrepentant about it. That last part is important. People make mistakes, that's OK, it's when you unabashedly screw up and don't care, don't try to get better, and are almost proud of it and then whine, cry or moan or whatever about getting called out for your negative impact on the group.
    Except everything you have said here is completely against what SE and Yoshi P want for their game. Kicking someone for not being "Good enough" to beat the dungeon timer fast enough to your thinking, is not a group mentality they wish to foster, so am sorry to say, you are in there wrong here, regardless of how *right* you may wish to be.

    Don't want people maybe taking the limit nor wish to run the risk? Don't use things like the Duty Finder then I am afraid, everything you have just listed in that regard is pious rambling.

  11. #45551
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    Except that is not what they wish to foster within the community as an expectation amongst the playerbase. The previous poster was trying to justify his reasoning for DPS meters and such with shitty logic. Optimisation is one thing, wanting to kick players because they aren't performing at his standard of dick stroking is entirely another.

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    Except everything you have said here is completely against what SE and Yoshi P want for their game. Kicking someone for not being "Good enough" to beat the dungeon timer fast enough to your thinking, is not a group mentality they wish to foster, so am sorry to say, you are in there wrong here, regardless of how *right* you may wish to be.

    Don't want people maybe taking the limit nor wish to run the risk? Don't use things like the Duty Finder then I am afraid, everything you have just listed in that regard is pious rambling.
    That's all well and good, but the Trust system NPCs can clear a dungeon in about 30-45 minutes.... if you're doing worse then freaking NPCs you should reevaluate doing group content at all and just run with the trust. Hopefully a lot of the REAL bad ones do that. I'm talking verauro/verlightning hardcasting RDM, healers who only spam benefic or whatever their base heal is, all dungeon long, etc. The REAL bad ones.

  12. #45552
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    That's all well and good, but the Trust system NPCs can clear a dungeon in about 30-45 minutes.... if you're doing worse then freaking NPCs you should reevaluate doing group content at all and just run with the trust. Hopefully a lot of the REAL bad ones do that. I'm talking verauro/verlightning hardcasting RDM, healers who only spam benefic or whatever their base heal is, all dungeon long, etc. The REAL bad ones.
    And this is nothing to do with Trust system?
    Some people are just bad, yes, but as SE thinks, they pay their sub, the dungeon has a literal hard time limit, and that is that. Don't have time for the 90mins the dungeon is set for? Don't queue.
    Do I like it? Nope. But arguing otherwise is just asinine. It isn't changing anytime soon.

    (For the record, I hate crappy players, have died as a tank so many times to healers who spam one ability, dps who seem intellectually impaired/lazy, but that is what the hard time limit is there for).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uselessrouge View Post
    if i buy a level boost is there something like a tutorial?


    i want to play a Dark Knight and dont want to do 3 months of story quest befor the addon.. i heard i can get a level boost and a story skip thing , would it be worth it or will i be lost as new player?
    If you are a new player you shouldn't immediately look for ways to skip parts of the game. Everyting in it will be new anyway. Experience it. You will like it. Once you are at Ishgard you can quickly level your DK to 50 and just go with that for all the Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers contents.

  14. #45554
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    If you are a new player you shouldn't immediately look for ways to skip parts of the game. Everyting in it will be new anyway. Experience it. You will like it. Once you are at Ishgard you can quickly level your DK to 50 and just go with that for all the Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers contents.
    ehhhh, skipping the post 50 quests and watching a recap is 100% ok in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    And this is nothing to do with Trust system?
    Some people are just bad, yes, but as SE thinks, they pay their sub, the dungeon has a literal hard time limit, and that is that. Don't have time for the 90mins the dungeon is set for? Don't queue.
    Do I like it? Nope. But arguing otherwise is just asinine. It isn't changing anytime soon.

    (For the record, I hate crappy players, have died as a tank so many times to healers who spam one ability, dps who seem intellectually impaired/lazy, but that is what the hard time limit is there for).
    I only brought up the Trust system because they are NPCs specifically coded to take longer then your avg group so they don't become the norm.

    BTW, people have been kicking real shitty players since day one without getting banned, it's not hard to see a frost mage.

  15. #45555
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    ehhhh, skipping the post 50 quests and watching a recap is 100% ok in my book.

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    I only brought up the Trust system because they are NPCs specifically coded to take longer then your avg group so they don't become the norm.

    BTW, people have been kicking real shitty players since day one without getting banned, it's not hard to see a frost mage.
    True, but I personally always think of an anecdote from when I was growing up.
    Had a family friend bring their kid round, 15 years old, and he came with me to play on the PS1. Turned out he was of diminsihed mental capacity, but more importantly, he had a withered hand. Was only able to clutch the controller vaguely, whilst spamming buttons with his working hand. We basically just played Tekken and he adored it because he felt he was able to actually play a game for a while.
    Was he competent? Fuck no. He sucked, but when I see "shitty players" I always think it could be a guy like that, just playing to have some fun, and trying their best with what they have available, but sadly people are too quick to start screeching "KICK!" and "SHIT PLAYER GIT GUD!" rather than maybe work on the assumption that they are doing their best, but aren't able to.

    If people had a similar experience, they might be a little more patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    Such a load of utter drivel.

    Had you known the slightest thing about FF14, you would know the core bulk of the game isn't about optimal rotation or such, but in mechanics. You learn them, dps is secondary believe it or not. All dungeons and raids have a timer for completion. That is the content limit. Not how fast the boss dies.
    Had you done any content that is actually challenging (read: ex primals, savage raids, ultimate) you would know that there is a thing called "enrage timer" at which point the boss instantly kills the raid.

    So umm.. yeah: DPS does indeed matter. Quite a lot, oftentimes enrage timers feel harsher in FF compared to WoW (I raided in both).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    The previous poster was trying to justify his reasoning for DPS meters and such with shitty logic.
    I merely stated that people that play bad and wipe the groups due to them playing bad are just as "toxic" as people who MISuse parsers to diss other people.
    A parser is a tool. You don't ban all hammers just b/c some drunk moron clubbed another person with one.

  17. #45557
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post


    You don't ban all hammers just b/c some drunk moron clubbed another person with one.
    Absolutely this. It can be a VERY useful tool in determining your own performance and help you to strive for better play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    Was he competent? Fuck no. He sucked, but when I see "shitty players" I always think it could be a guy like that, just playing to have some fun, and trying their best with what they have available, but sadly people are too quick to start screeching "KICK!" and "SHIT PLAYER GIT GUD!" rather than maybe work on the assumption that they are doing their best, but aren't able to.

    If people had a similar experience, they might be a little more patient.
    I do not kick you from a dungeon just because you play bad. As long as the content can be completed relatively pain free I don't give a shit, even if we wipe once or twice. It happens.

    I will kick you if you are holding the group back and are the reason that we cannot kill a boss, after I try to help you. I hate kicking people. So I always try to make it work first. With more challenging bosses, there is a limit to the patience they allow.

    Your friend surely would not venture into savage or extreme raiding, knowing that his performance would essentially make the boss unkillable. That is basic human decency and logical thinking. I would never venture into ultimate b/c judging from my savage performance I am obviously not good enough.

    Sadly, not everyone does that and many a crappy player is looking for freebies. That's the point at which parsers are a useful filter b/c not every crappy player is an obvious ice mage.

    As I stated earlier: it is extremely rare that I kick people. I can probably count the # that weren't offline in 5(?) years of playing on one hand.
    So um: no. I am not some "impatient WoW crybaby" with an itchy trigger finger and a superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    Such a load of utter drivel.


    Had you known the slightest thing about FF14, you would know the core bulk of the game isn't about optimal rotation or such, but in mechanics. You learn them, dps is secondary believe it or not. All dungeons and raids have a timer for completion. That is the content limit. Not how fast the boss dies.

    Also every raid has a hard gear limit for using the Duty Finder (and you need to use Duty Finder to complete the MSQ/Quests, not unsyncing/cheesing allowed). The reason SE is very anti dps meters etc, is literally because of the nonsense you just spouted about "People need to play!". They don't. Yoshi P said a few times now, that FF14 is a multi-player FF game, and not to be viewed as some kind of competitive MMO style "Imma best!" epeen stroking game.


    Piss off back to WoW, please.
    Had you ever done Savage, or even Extreme mode bosses in this game, you'd know DPS actually DOES matter. I used to raid mythic and old heroic in WoW, but also Savage in FFXIV. The DPS checks feel a lot tighter in FF than they ever did in WoW.

    But if this is your attitude about it, spend no time wondering why people don't want to do any content higher than normal mode with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I do not kick you from a dungeon just because you play bad. As long as the content can be completed relatively pain free I don't give a shit, even if we wipe once or twice. It happens.

    I will kick you if you are holding the group back and are the reason that we cannot kill a boss, after I try to help you. I hate kicking people. So I always try to make it work first. With more challenging bosses, there is a limit to the patience they allow.

    Your friend surely would not venture into savage or extreme raiding, knowing that his performance would essentially make the boss unkillable. That is basic human decency and logical thinking. I would never venture into ultimate b/c judging from my savage performance I am obviously not good enough.

    Sadly, not everyone does that and many a crappy player is looking for freebies. That's the point at which parsers are a useful filter b/c not every crappy player is an obvious ice mage.

    As I stated earlier: it is extremely rare that I kick people. I can probably count the # that weren't offline in 5(?) years of playing on one hand.
    So um: no. I am not some "impatient WoW crybaby" with an itchy trigger finger and a superiority complex.
    I actually haven't really kicked anyone who wasn't AFK or DC'd in a very long time either, usually they're not THAT bad, but you do read stories on occasion of the perfect storm of shit player.

    More then anything lately its been AFKs, god so many AFKS... if you don't have the time because of whatever, kids, food, laundry, etc, don't queue for randoms.

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