1. #46481
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    Nothing to be ashamed of. Finish leveling your MCH. We need a physical ranged. Or stay DNC and get really good at it and pad our BLM. Shouldn't have any issues clearing.

    Not like these content respecters:
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    • Bottom SAM was spamming meditate in front of the boss? Not sure why
    • SCH was holding down his physick key harder than anything I've ever seen. The second I dropped below 95% HP, spammed Physick 2-3x, 81% overhealing

    SAM has a new ability where using meditate builds up a stack and then you get an attack of varying potency based on the stack. I think it's meant to be used as a build up during a transition so you get that attack as soon as the boss is back, not meant to be used on a regular basis. More of a situational combo.

    Personally I felt it was kind of pointless, similar to the whole "use this ability, take damage within 3 seconds, then you get the weakest self heal in the game or a pathetic extra attack that eats into your normal combo GCD!" that takes up 3 separate hotkeys.... Merciful Eyes, Open Eyes, etc seemed 99.5% useless to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    E3 is as i expected the one thats losing steam the fastest. Nobody dies, nobody really takes much damage and everyone just goes through the real simple motions. I'd say the two tital waves are the only thing in the entire fight you need to watch for and its only week 2. That fight is going to get tedious and dull real fast.

    So watch E3S have it split into two or have 5 heads or something.
    Leviathan also seems to have so.....many.....hitpoints......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    So watch E3S have it split into two or have 5 heads or something.
    I'm imagining dual busters on each tank instead of just the one that have to be aimed like Earthshakers in T13/Sephirot, managing multiple and new randomized debuffs during Tsunami, no blue telegraphs to tell you to get to a corner during the...I forget the name of the ability, and possibly different floor configurations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    Nothing you said addressed my question. How much of an increase do their buffs/dance partner increase?

    You absolutely cannot take a class that is designed around increasing someone else's DPS as a support and look purely at the support class' direct DPS output and base an argument for them being horrible off that.

    If they're not offering enough in the increase on others' to balance it, then yes, 100% they need boosting. It's a new job, it's not a surprise. We've been through this multiple times now and the team has made tweaks in the first patch to start buffing the new job up in the past. But when I see people saying a class that's built somewhat as a support class isn't pumping out enough pure damage themselves, I have to ask if people are absolutely ignoring the concept of support / buffing another DPS in the equation.

    This is one of the reasons I get so damn irritated with the parser obsessed crowd. They so often get tunnel vision that the only thing they care about is how big their direct numbers are on a chart.
    It doesn't matter how much they buff ONE person, it matters how much they buff the raid group. When 1 dps is super low just to buff 1 other dps...it's really not worth it. As to how much the boost is, idk the exact # but it's quite a lot. It really is.

  5. #46485
    Quote Originally Posted by dk3790 View Post
    It doesn't matter how much they buff ONE person, it matters how much they buff the raid group. When 1 dps is super low just to buff 1 other dps...it's really not worth it. As to how much the boost is, idk the exact # but it's quite a lot. It really is.
    Yeah, I was forgetting they have a raid wide DPS boost, though our FC's dancer noted that if you really want to maximize it, two dancers can keep their raid buffs alternating and up near constant from my understanding. It really does take two to tango.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    Yeah, I was forgetting they have a raid wide DPS boost, though our FC's dancer noted that if you really want to maximize it, two dancers can keep their raid buffs alternating and up near constant from my understanding. It really does take two to tango.
    But it'd never be worth taking two DNC's considering both their lack of pDPS, and their lack of rDPS. Not to mention if a DNC is delaying their abilities like that, then one of them will be out of raid buff window, which negatively effects the DNC, the DNC partner, and the raid as a whole. Imagine holding a 1.5k potency abilities for 20 seconds and how that effects you and also your 1k potency hit.

    In general right now you could say, MCH does more than BRD, but BRD and their utility/raid buff makes them basically equal to MCH, which is why MCH could use a buff, since MCH offers less in utility than BRD. DNC on the other hand, despite all of their utility and their buffs, both their damage and raid dps contribution is far below, which means they're not even close rn to being equal to a MCH/BRD, which is what you want. You can also easily hinder your party as a DNC, especially if they're not a very good one.

    That's the way it is, you know? BLM offers nothing, so they do insane DPS. DNC offers tons of support buffs/utility, so their damage lacks behind. But if those buffs don't make them just below a BRD, then they are underperforming. Just below a BRD also meaning, their pDPS + rDPS contribution is close to a BRD. It is quite a bit behind a BRD, numbers wise, considering BRD pDps + rDPS
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  7. #46487
    Quote Originally Posted by The Casualty View Post


    When comparing, I was mainly looking at this latest bit of content. My EX runs are a bit lower but I imagine that gear has had a bit to play with that. Both WAR and DRK for me are right around the same damage, but it looks like GNB and PLD are at the moment doing a bit more damage at similar percentiles. I didn't include Eden Prime in these numbers due to the ridiculous downtime skewing DPS.
    Impressive. Your kill times are anywhere from 10-30% faster than mine, are these PUGs or with a static? Mind sharing them so I can look at them and see where I'm missing out? If you're comfortable sharing that is.



    You can see I'm a good bit behind, especially Titan, wondering where I'm missing uptime on besides the obvious spots. I've only run each one twice now though.

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    You crazy kooks and your dps optimization

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    Impressive. Your kill times are anywhere from 10-30% faster than mine, are these PUGs or with a static? Mind sharing them so I can look at them and see where I'm missing out? If you're comfortable sharing that is.



    You can see I'm a good bit behind, especially Titan, wondering where I'm missing uptime on besides the obvious spots. I've only run each one twice now though.
    For sure! https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/zalera/dax%20valeon

    It's a static I run with. We aren't hardcore or anything, and don't really follow meta. I'm just fortunate that I have a monk. Brotherhood's 90 second burst lines up nicely with Inner Release/Delirium. We have a lot more runs recently as we've been trying to get back into the practice of playing together and figuring out exactly what we want our comp to be and how all the new burst windows line up.

    That Titan parse on WAR was padded, so I wouldn't take that one too seriously. We were all just fooling around one night trying to see if we could rank on the leaderboards. The highest I have outside that one is 7395. Anything from last night was rough, as I had some serious issues with my ISP and crashed a few times on those fights before I had enough and bowed out.

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    How's MCH these days? It was my main back in Heavensward but I hated how it played in Stormblood and so dropped it. The new toys look like a lot of fun but I haven't actually see more than a couple in max level content. Is it still really clunky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham II View Post
    How's MCH these days? It was my main back in Heavensward but I hated how it played in Stormblood and so dropped it. The new toys look like a lot of fun but I haven't actually see more than a couple in max level content. Is it still really clunky?
    It's nice and smooth now. The whole "Try to cram every off GCD ability into a 10 second window" thing is gone. That was the worst part of it for me since I always had issues with hitting 2 off GCDs too close together and the second one just not going off at all. The 1.5 second GCD is still there and you need to get 5 of them in 8 seconds, so a bit latency dependent, but that's really just WoW level of GCD.

    It's no longer a support job though, just straight DPS like samurai and black mage.

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    Question about cross job abilities (didn't feel like making a dedicated thread for this). I remember being about to use a heal ability on my BM way back when I first started playing. But yesterday when trying to get that ability (Physick) from the Arcanist job I wasn't able to use it. Has this changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    Question about cross job abilities (didn't feel like making a dedicated thread for this). I remember being about to use a heal ability on my BM way back when I first started playing. But yesterday when trying to get that ability (Physick) from the Arcanist job I wasn't able to use it. Has this changed?
    Yes, they got rid of the cross class system for combat jobs. Its now the role action system. All jobs under each role has a set of skills you have access to, there's some overlap between roles. Like casters and healers all have access to swiftcast, ranged and melee get second wind, etc.

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    Hasn't healed worth a cast in previous expansions, so I guess they tossed it altogether in ShB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    Question about cross job abilities (didn't feel like making a dedicated thread for this). I remember being about to use a heal ability on my BM way back when I first started playing. But yesterday when trying to get that ability (Physick) from the Arcanist job I wasn't able to use it. Has this changed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelwryn View Post
    Yes, they got rid of the cross class system for combat jobs. Its now the role action system. All jobs under each role has a set of skills you have access to, there's some overlap between roles. Like casters and healers all have access to swiftcast, ranged and melee get second wind, etc.
    Also just to add some clarification, they removed the ability to pick and choose which role actions you want to have. Every job in the role gets the same abilities at the same level and you don't "slot" it like you did before, it's a regular part of your class kit. It just happens to be the same as every other job in that role.

    The roles are:
    Ranged Physical DPS = Bard, Machinist and Dancer
    Ranged Caster DPS = Black Mage, Summoner, and Red Mage
    Healer = Astrologian, White Mage and Scholar
    Melee DPS = Ninja, Dragoon, Monk, and Samurai
    Tank = Warrior, Paladin, Dark Knight and Gunbreaker

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    Thanks for the explanations. Probably should do that chocobo companion quest then. At least to mitigate some of the squishiness if I get attacked by more than 2 mobs.

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    Yep definitely, though leveling that bugger takes ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    Thanks for the explanations. Probably should do that chocobo companion quest then. At least to mitigate some of the squishiness if I get attacked by more than 2 mobs.
    Yes, absolutely, the chocobo companion is very helpful. With the changes to Summoner, I doubt I could survive solo easily at all without him, especially during FATEs. It's obscene how squishy we are vs how effective we are for AoE. Solo out in the world, that AoE effectiveness is useless because using it means you are being murdered by everything it hits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Yep definitely, though leveling that bugger takes ages.
    With the number of FATEs I've been doing to get the Shadowbringers achievements and level all my classes to at least 71 so I could grind Trusts if I wanted to, I gained almost 2 chocobo levels (from 11.5 or so to 12, and 12 to 13) in ~2 weeks of casual play, with all the xp and the chocobo buddy challenge log xp for two weeks. I mention the Shadowbringers FATEs specifically because the zones are all very active with FATE parties so completing them is always a breeze, unlike in the older, abandoned zones from previous expansions.

    So while it does take considerably longer to level than your character, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Just be sure to stock up on Gysahl Greens, the 30 minute timer per use goes by quick when you're out in the world doing your thing.

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    Note on the Gysahl Greens: You can feed chocobro additional greens up to a total duration of 1 hour I believe, increasing the duration if it is getting low or just have some additional time before you have to worry about it again.

  20. #46500
    Quote Originally Posted by Advent View Post
    You crazy kooks and your dps optimization
    Lol, no optimization here. I simply just mash keys with pugs. I was just curious where I was missing damage since he had considerably higher DPS all around.

    I actually think that it might be because PLD's damage is 50/50 split which means I never get the same benefit from raid utility that the solo jobs get, especially WAR/GNB where it has 1 damage type. Not only that, he ran it a lot more and with a static which does make a difference, especially if you compare the kill times.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Casualty View Post
    It's a static I run with. We aren't hardcore or anything, and don't really follow meta. I'm just fortunate that I have a monk. Brotherhood's 90 second burst lines up nicely with Inner Release/Delirium. We have a lot more runs recently as we've been trying to get back into the practice of playing together and figuring out exactly what we want our comp to be and how all the new burst windows line up.

    That Titan parse on WAR was padded, so I wouldn't take that one too seriously. We were all just fooling around one night trying to see if we could rank on the leaderboards. The highest I have outside that one is 7395. Anything from last night was rough, as I had some serious issues with my ISP and crashed a few times on those fights before I had enough and bowed out.
    Impressive! Gives me something to work towards to.

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