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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    Any motivation to get me through the slog that is 1-50? I'm new and heard it pays off in the end.
    1-50 isn't the slog. It's the 100 quests you have to do in between 2.0 and 3.0 that is the slog.

    I would advise you to take your time. Yes, ARR has a lot of low points, but I found the journey and characters to be enjoyable, and ARR sets up a lot of stuff for the later expansions, including plot points that are coming back today.

    Try doing other things over the journey. Try other jobs. Do the Gold Saucer (unlocks at level 15). Do the Crystal Tower raid. Btw, do Crystal Tower (unlocks at level 50) and Warring Triad (level 60) before Shadowbringers.

    2.0 really picks up at the level 35 mark. It doesn't become free of low points, but at level 35 I became invested in the story. The post patch quests pick up at 2.3.
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    Finished leveling all my jobs to max about a month ago. Just enjoying a nice break until the patch comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    I don't think this is relevant TBH, at the very least definitely not to me. I know 99.46% of all gaming is strictly a hobby to pass time. I just want to have fun when I log in that's all, but I can't find any fun activities in this game right now barring raiding, and even that got old WAY too quick.
    Then you are simply burned out. It happens.
    I like FF-XIV and I like their formulaic approach but even I have to take breaks now and then (right now my activity is close to 0 and will stay that way until 5.2 hits).

    Yes, raiding can burn you out quickly, esp with encounter design that is very frustrating coupled with an unstable server performance. I decided a few weeks ago that savage was no longer fun and no longer worth the trouble of scheduling my evenings etc.

    Changing a game just to please burned out people is risky. You risk alienating the ones like me, that like the current approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    Any motivation to get me through the slog that is 1-50? I'm new and heard it pays off in the end.
    Going to need more information about you and what you are hoping to get out of the game to answer that. I think it pays off if you are into FF games or RPGs and like following a story while having fun little side things to do. I wouldn't say it pays off if you are like a WoW player only looking for endless grinds and a raid-or-die mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyral View Post
    Going to need more information about you and what you are hoping to get out of the game to answer that. I think it pays off if you are into FF games or RPGs and like following a story while having fun little side things to do. I wouldn't say it pays off if you are like a WoW player only looking for endless grinds and a raid-or-die mentality.
    I want to do dungeons and raids, don’t care about story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I want to do dungeons and raids, don’t care about story.
    If you just want to do current raiding right now, you can buy on the Mogstation a level 70 boost (called One Hero's Journey) for $25, and a story skip (called Tales of Adventure: Stormblood) for $25, allowing you to skip all story content up to Shadowbringers. If you skip cutscenes, you can complete Shadowbringers in about 15-20 hours, and then you can start raiding current content (Eden savage difficulty, Ultima Ultimate, Bahamut Ultimate, and Alexander Ultimate).

    If you don't want to buy boosts or story skips, you can get to Shadowbringers in 60 hours if you skip cutscenes and don't do side content.

    For raiding, the most demanded jobs are tanks and healers, ofcourse. Any job can solo the story content, but if you level only a healer, it will go slower because they deal a lot less damage than either DPS or tanks. Thus, if you're going to level a healer, I'd recommend you level a Scholar, as experience is shared with Summoner. You can easily switch to Summoner to do that pesky story content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    If you just want to do current raiding right now, you can buy on the Mogstation a level 70 boost (called One Hero's Journey) for $25, and a story skip (called Tales of Adventure: Stormblood) for $25, allowing you to skip all story content up to Shadowbringers. If you skip cutscenes, you can complete Shadowbringers in about 15-20 hours, and then you can start raiding current content (Eden savage difficulty, Ultima Ultimate, Bahamut Ultimate, and Alexander Ultimate).

    If you don't want to buy boosts or story skips, you can get to Shadowbringers in 60 hours if you skip cutscenes and don't do side content.

    For raiding, the most demanded jobs are tanks and healers, ofcourse. Any job can solo the story content, but if you level only a healer, it will go slower because they deal a lot less damage than either DPS or tanks. Thus, if you're going to level a healer, I'd recommend you level a Scholar, as experience is shared with Summoner. You can easily switch to Summoner to do that pesky story content.
    hard disagree on the healer thing.

    They get instant queues for everything all the way to 80.

    Tanks can take 5-15 minutes

    Don't underestimate how much time save that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    I want to do dungeons and raids, don’t care about story.
    I don't recommend this game at all. You can't just speed grind your way through the "slog," if you want to buy boosts you will need to get two of them at 25$ each; one for your job level and another to skip the story up to the last expansion, and even after that you will have to do the unlock quests for other dungeons/trials/raids that are not part of the main story the boost covers. It's a Final Fantasy game more than it is an MMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyral View Post
    I don't recommend this game at all. You can't just speed grind your way through the "slog," if you want to buy boosts you will need to get two of them at 25$ each; one for your job level and another to skip the story up to the last expansion, and even after that you will have to do the unlock quests for other dungeons/trials/raids that are not part of the main story the boost covers. It's a Final Fantasy game more than it is an MMO.
    But what I played so far was fun (I'm level 15 now), it's just too long a road!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    But what I played so far was fun (I'm level 15 now), it's just too long a road!
    That's strange. But anyway, if that's what you want Val provided a very detailed answer above. Buying the skips is the best alternative.
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    Personally, i bought the skips and i don't regret it. To be more clear, i got my char to 50 and felt burned out by the main story, so i created a new char and boosted that with the idea in mind to go back to the other character to finish the story when i feel like.

    Suffice to say, whenver i play FF XIV now i log in with my endgame char and haven't touched my "story char" since then.

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    And see, I'm the other way around. Because the story is really the only stand-out part of the game, trying to go hard on the PvE content just feels like a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    They're probably scared of changing what they believe is a "winning formula".
    Gripes flare up on Reddit and/or Twitter from time to time regarding "the formula" and until a overwhelming amount of people all go "k done" and unsub, it'll continue this way until they wind down the game (which may or may not happen, who knows).

    The blunt truth as to those wanting something different: Different game. Personally, after having had my face caved in for better part of 100 hours by Living Liquid (in TEA), I ended up taking the past 2 months off from raiding and only logged on enough to keep my house and FC submarines going. Gave Path of Exile a good go for a few weeks, brought in the new year with old friends on Halo MCC, and did another round/playthrough on 7 Days to Die.

    Some MMO fans are strange in how they expect one single game to occupy their every single moment of spare time for entertainment. Not an issue exclusive to this game or WoW.

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    I think the formula works pretty well and the game's continued success is a reflection of that fact. I do have a few gripes - such as the lack of character customisation - but the game does enough to keep me entertained when I play it and I haven't run out of things to do in-game yet.

    I quite like that I can take a break and play other games. I'll be doing as much when the remakes of Resident Evil 3 and Final Fantasy 7 come out in April. I agree with Kazela in regards to the suggestion to try out other games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    Some MMO fans are strange in how they expect one single game to occupy their every single moment of spare time for entertainment. Not an issue exclusive to this game or WoW.
    Definitely. Esp the "There always has to be sth to do!" kind, which only ends up in horrible grind systems like Artifact Power.

    I always enjoyed the ebb and flow of content/motivation. There are times when I no life with my cat and then there are times when I leave her to her own devices.

    Hmm Master Chief collection... I believe my buddy is eyeballing that one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyral View Post
    Hm I think it may have a different opinion because I recently just played through the entire game thrice (since I wanted a character on each data center), so maybe I was able to notice the contrast between expansions better. None of them has felt identical. Each one iterates on what worked and then tries new things as the game progresses.
    I appreciate your viewpoint and it does offer a unique perspective, but it's not particularly relevant to my point.

    Because you experienced everything in one continuous swing everything would naturally feel new and fresh. You also didn't have to deal with most of the side content when it was relevant (as most of it is left to rot once an expansion is over), which is another area that usually suffers from the "same old, same old".

    No patch content has felt identical. But I do agree people can pretty much predict when the relevant content will come out. Their release schedule is very clear and consistent, you know which patch Normal Raids are going to come out, which patch the Alliance raids will come out, when the beast tribes will be added, etc. I don't think that's a negative, but it is very predictable. And I can understand if the content added isn't to someone's liking. But identical? I really can't see that having gone through it all in succession.
    Like you admit, it's very hard to see it in the manner you experienced it. It's not about being able to predict dungeons, raids, alliance raids, etc. That stuff is annoying, but hardly an issue.

    It's the supplementary systems that us being able to predict that sucks. How the relic will be required, what turn ins will look like, how Diadem 1,2, and even 3 (Eureka) will be. How many skills we'll get each expansion, etc. What the raids will look like # of bosses/shape of room and the itemization etc. (Your doom train example was a good counter to that point, but a rare circumstance. In fact I quite enjoyed that fight).

    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    The formula works, and I'd rather they not change it. Look at wow, most of the changes they've made have just been awful. In FF I can still get BiS, I can still work towards something meaningful, it's not 100% RNG. There's so much I love about the fact that it DOESN'T change drastically every expansion.

    Is there some things they could fix? Sure, like server responsiveness and the like obviously.
    With respect to WoW there are a few changes they made that I did like in BfA. I really did enjoy the essences and leveling them up. It was a fun collectible game that got me into content types I don't play as often to get powers I wanted. I enjoyed that. I also really liked how they added player characters in cutscenes and took a more story driven approach. Clearly a point borrowed from FF14 and a much appreciated one. Their raid design teams had some really cool and innovative fights, Jaina, Mekkatorque, MOTHER, Azshara, etc. Really cool mechanical interactions. Their new AI tech is decent, and I'm excited to see if it gets improved/reused. Islands and Warfronts were by far my biggest let downs. I was expecting Islands to be fun and enjoyable and they were the furthest thing from it. Warfronts even more so. Even the Heroic iterations barely felt like a baseline.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Then you are simply burned out. It happens.
    I like FF-XIV and I like their formulaic approach but even I have to take breaks now and then (right now my activity is close to 0 and will stay that way until 5.2 hits).

    Yes, raiding can burn you out quickly, esp with encounter design that is very frustrating coupled with an unstable server performance. I decided a few weeks ago that savage was no longer fun and no longer worth the trouble of scheduling my evenings etc.

    Changing a game just to please burned out people is risky. You risk alienating the ones like me, that like the current approach.
    But am I burned out if I want to actively play? I've gone over this to death I just want a reason to play. Some kind of repeatable challenging content, some kind of reward system that feels meaningful (bear in mind I don't think WoW's is meaningful either). Side content that is actually enjoyable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    If you don't want to buy boosts or story skips, you can get to Shadowbringers in 60 hours if you skip cutscenes and don't do side content.
    At work so I can't verify your link, BUT I did want to thank you for at least putting an hourly metric out there. Most people always incorrectly are like oh I got to end game in a week, but neglect to mention they don't have a job and crushed 60 hours of play into a week.

    I usually cite 100+ hours, watching cutscenes to get to endgame, so 60 skipping seems reasonable, add in another 10-15 to finish ShB and it fits.

    Thanks again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    I think the formula works pretty well and the game's continued success is a reflection of that fact. I do have a few gripes - such as the lack of character customisation - but the game does enough to keep me entertained when I play it and I haven't run out of things to do in-game yet.

    I quite like that I can take a break and play other games. I'll be doing as much when the remakes of Resident Evil 3 and Final Fantasy 7 come out in April. I agree with Kazela in regards to the suggestion to try out other games.
    I always hate this statement though. Taking a break to play other games should be commonly understood, not hailed as a game feature. Stuff like WoW's AP grind is contradictory to this in the worst way, but stuff like FF14's is too far the other way. I don't want to play all the time, and I don't want to play for 3 weeks every 6 months and be done either. There should be a middle ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    With respect to WoW there are a few changes they made that I did like in BfA. I really did enjoy the essences and leveling them up. It was a fun collectible game that got me into content types I don't play as often to get powers I wanted. I enjoyed that. I also really liked how they added player characters in cutscenes and took a more story driven approach. Clearly a point borrowed from FF14 and a much appreciated one. Their raid design teams had some really cool and innovative fights, Jaina, Mekkatorque, MOTHER, Azshara, etc. Really cool mechanical interactions. Their new AI tech is decent, and I'm excited to see if it gets improved/reused. Islands and Warfronts were by far my biggest let downs. I was expecting Islands to be fun and enjoyable and they were the furthest thing from it. Warfronts even more so. Even the Heroic iterations barely felt like a baseline.
    Oh, I agree on that no doubt. Especially in regards to raiding, wow has the best raiding on the market imo (I WANT to love FF raiding, but sometimes the floatiness of the server response time really gets to you).

    Also... yea, islands and warfronts could have been so much better... hopefully they do Torghast right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    But am I burned out if I want to actively play? I've gone over this to death I just want a reason to play. Some kind of repeatable challenging content, some kind of reward system that feels meaningful (bear in mind I don't think WoW's is meaningful either). Side content that is actually enjoyable
    Yes, you are burnt out of what the game currently offers, which is why you wish for sth. else.
    You still like the game universe/world as such and wish to spend time in it, I can understand that.

    I too experienced that kind of disconnect with WoW. The result: I ignore most of the games systems and only do the story. Ccontrary to you, I was burned out of "challenging" content, which boils down to hitting my head against a wall until THAT dude gets to press his keys in the right order.
    Now I satiate the urge for challenge at the piano instead of videogames .... more "meaningful" that way. Only downside: Not I am always "that guy". ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecktangle View Post
    I appreciate your viewpoint and it does offer a unique perspective, but it's not particularly relevant to my point.

    Because you experienced everything in one continuous swing everything would naturally feel new and fresh. You also didn't have to deal with most of the side content when it was relevant (as most of it is left to rot once an expansion is over), which is another area that usually suffers from the "same old, same old".



    Like you admit, it's very hard to see it in the manner you experienced it. It's not about being able to predict dungeons, raids, alliance raids, etc. That stuff is annoying, but hardly an issue.

    It's the supplementary systems that us being able to predict that sucks. How the relic will be required, what turn ins will look like, how Diadem 1,2, and even 3 (Eureka) will be. How many skills we'll get each expansion, etc. What the raids will look like # of bosses/shape of room and the itemization etc. (Your doom train example was a good counter to that point, but a rare circumstance. In fact I quite enjoyed that fight).



    With respect to WoW there are a few changes they made that I did like in BfA. I really did enjoy the essences and leveling them up. It was a fun collectible game that got me into content types I don't play as often to get powers I wanted. I enjoyed that. I also really liked how they added player characters in cutscenes and took a more story driven approach. Clearly a point borrowed from FF14 and a much appreciated one. Their raid design teams had some really cool and innovative fights, Jaina, Mekkatorque, MOTHER, Azshara, etc. Really cool mechanical interactions. Their new AI tech is decent, and I'm excited to see if it gets improved/reused. Islands and Warfronts were by far my biggest let downs. I was expecting Islands to be fun and enjoyable and they were the furthest thing from it. Warfronts even more so. Even the Heroic iterations barely felt like a baseline.



    But am I burned out if I want to actively play? I've gone over this to death I just want a reason to play. Some kind of repeatable challenging content, some kind of reward system that feels meaningful (bear in mind I don't think WoW's is meaningful either). Side content that is actually enjoyable.



    At work so I can't verify your link, BUT I did want to thank you for at least putting an hourly metric out there. Most people always incorrectly are like oh I got to end game in a week, but neglect to mention they don't have a job and crushed 60 hours of play into a week.

    I usually cite 100+ hours, watching cutscenes to get to endgame, so 60 skipping seems reasonable, add in another 10-15 to finish ShB and it fits.

    Thanks again.



    I always hate this statement though. Taking a break to play other games should be commonly understood, not hailed as a game feature. Stuff like WoW's AP grind is contradictory to this in the worst way, but stuff like FF14's is too far the other way. I don't want to play all the time, and I don't want to play for 3 weeks every 6 months and be done either. There should be a middle ground.
    While I stand by my previous post, for a game to charge per month for access, it also establishes the idea there will always be something coming down the pipe.

    GW2, in its current state, is far worse off about encouraging folks to log on once every 4-6 months. I went back to it a year after PoF xpac released, completed OG world map, story, PoF story and all of the living world episodes for both HoT (first xpac) and PoF...all in a span of 6-8 weeks tops. Stuff that was rolled out over course of nearly 4 years at that point.

    Scaling dungeon system like Mythic + would be a great way to revive some dungeons, especially if we had them at max level so also had all our abilities on hand.

    Used to I would vehemently oppose the idea of "play other games". But I also realize I don't have as much spare time on hand to where I can spend near part time job amounts of time on a single game if I want to try out other stuff, be it games or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    GW2, in its current state, is far worse off about encouraging folks to log on once every 4-6 months. I went back to it a year after PoF xpac released, completed OG world map, story, PoF story and all of the living world episodes for both HoT (first xpac) and PoF...all in a span of 6-8 weeks tops. Stuff that was rolled out over course of nearly 4 years at that point.
    I don't really understand that argument, you did equivalent of finishing MSQ. My first foray into FFXIV took 2 months from level 1 to all level 70 (cap at the moment) endgame content and that was really pretty much all content they've added over 5 years.
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