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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostile View Post
    Its kinda scary when you think about it.

    If ascians are tempered by Zodiark, doesnt that mean we are almost certainly tempered by Hydaelyn?
    We don't know enough to say that for certain.

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    From what Elidibus says the echo is a nascent ability of some people and witnessing the meteor shower from the end of days awakens it on them. Once the echo is awakened those people can hear Hydaelyn though not because she grants the echo but because she seems to be constantly broadcasting her message so whoever awakens the echo gets reached by her first. I'm inclined to believe what Elidibus says is true, since so far it doesn't seem any of the Ascians have lied to us, however I doubt it is the whole truth.

    Now if Hydaelyn is like Zodiark then her tempering would have happened at the time of her summoning as Zodiark tempered the Convocation once he was summoned. For the WoL to be tempered he would have need to be part of the 13 who summoned Hydaelyn but given what we learn in Anamenesis Anyder the 14th member of the Convocation (which most assume to be the WoL) did not join the people who summoned Hydaelyn.

    Or at least that's what I've gathered from this so far. I could be wrong, but I believe if there is any safe assumptions we can make with our limited knowledge is that if the WoL was the 14th member then he would not have been tempered by either Zodiark nor Hydaelyn at the moment of their summoning.
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    Did they replace the voice actor they've had for Elidibus all the way up to Stormblood with a new one for ShB? Or is my hearing off?

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    Oof.. to long ago to remember, would need a direct comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merie View Post
    Did they replace the voice actor they've had for Elidibus all the way up to Stormblood with a new one for ShB? Or is my hearing off?
    I can't recall a time we've heard Elidibus' voice before this patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyral View Post
    I can't recall a time we've heard Elidibus' voice before this patch.
    He speaks in the 3.0 ending. Same VA IIRC.

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    Yep, we just haven't heard much of Elidibus before now, but its the same voice actor.



    Couldn't be bothered to try and find a video of just the moon scene but I linked at the time appropriate time stamp.
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    Ah, luckily I was at the inn so looked it up real quick. I remember the scene but for some reason remembered it being unvoiced. Yes it sounds like the same VA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugna View Post
    with how simple they made BLM AoE and ST this expac enochian isn't all that bad, unless you litterally go afk for 15 seconds we got all the instant casts to keep it up no problem.
    Never said it was difficult. It's just annoying, as you're tied to it constantly. You have to be thinking about it, paying attention to it, adjusting your rotation, movement and or ability usage around it. It dictates your entire play experience as a Black Mage once you have it.

    It's like being the driver of a car on a long road trip with other people in the car. It's super simple, but because you're the one driving you can't really do much else except pay attention to what's happening on the road, especially when there are other cars around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Never said it was difficult. It's just annoying, as you're tied to it constantly. You have to be thinking about it, paying attention to it, adjusting your rotation, movement and or ability usage around it. It dictates your entire play experience as a Black Mage once you have it.
    Eeh not in the slightest. In fact, you can completely forget about Enochian, as long as you keep Astral/Umbral active.
    It's not like it was in HW, where casting ice would reduce your duration etc.

    Of course, keeping the two buffs up as best you can is the point of the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Never said it was difficult. It's just annoying, as you're tied to it constantly. You have to be thinking about it, paying attention to it, adjusting your rotation, movement and or ability usage around it. It dictates your entire play experience as a Black Mage once you have it.

    It's like being the driver of a car on a long road trip with other people in the car. It's super simple, but because you're the one driving you can't really do much else except pay attention to what's happening on the road, especially when there are other cars around.
    with umbral ice and the quick casts of fire and ice spells when under the influences of each other you can do enochian once at the start at the dungeon or fight and only have it drop off at the end or if the group just stops pulling for whatever reason but by then the CD on enochian is back up and you can easily get three stacks again.


    on the topic of the other posters btw, THE MOON PEOPLE ON THE MOOONNNNNN!!!!! that scene in HW made me giggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Eeh not in the slightest. In fact, you can completely forget about Enochian, as long as you keep Astral/Umbral active.
    It's not like it was in HW, where casting ice would reduce your duration etc.

    Of course, keeping the two buffs up as best you can is the point of the class.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dugna View Post
    with umbral ice and the quick casts of fire and ice spells when under the influences of each other you can do enochian once at the start at the dungeon or fight and only have it drop off at the end or if the group just stops pulling for whatever reason but by then the CD on enochian is back up and you can easily get three stacks again.


    on the topic of the other posters btw, THE MOON PEOPLE ON THE MOOONNNNNN!!!!! that scene in HW made me giggle.
    My point is that once Enochian is active you have to be thinking about keeping it up, which means thinking about constantly having Astal/Umbral active, using Transpose and Umbral Soul as needed, using swiftcast/triplecast while moving so you can instant cast a spell so it doesn't fall off, knowing how much time is left on the timer so you can choose to cast the appropriate spell so it doesn't fall off, etc...

    I think we're saying the same thing, just thinking about it differently. IMO, keeping Enochian up and how it plays with the umbral/astral buffs are a nuisance to keep track of because it dictates your entire play experience, but as you said that's the point of the class mechanic. I just don't like that class mechanic, some people do. /shrug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    My point is that once Enochian is active you have to be thinking about keeping it up, which means thinking about constantly having Astal/Umbral active, using Transpose and Umbral Soul as needed, using swiftcast/triplecast while moving so you can instant cast a spell so it doesn't fall off, knowing how much time is left on the timer so you can choose to cast the appropriate spell so it doesn't fall off, etc...

    I think we're saying the same thing, just thinking about it differently. IMO, keeping Enochian up and how it plays with the umbral/astral buffs are a nuisance to keep track of because it dictates your entire play experience, but as you said that's the point of the class mechanic. I just don't like that class mechanic, some people do. /shrug.
    yep just part of the job, like how you have to pay attention to the meters of every other job as to make sure you don't waste any

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    In general, yes, some people have always kinda been annoyed by "Keep this short term buff up, keep it up, ooooops don't let it drop!" sorts of mechanics. But XIV loves em.

    It's one reason Dragoon always frustrated me. You do all this buildup and then the tank stops for a second and nope, lost it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    which means thinking about constantly having Astal/Umbral active, using Transpose and Umbral Soul as needed, using swiftcast/triplecast while moving so you can instant cast a spell so it doesn't fall off, knowing how much time is left on the timer so you can choose to cast the appropriate spell so it doesn't fall off, etc...
    I would do all that even if I didn't had Enochian, so I don't see the issue.

    BLM doesn't appeal to you, no problem. I don't like being that stationary either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    In general, yes, some people have always kinda been annoyed by "Keep this short term buff up, keep it up, ooooops don't let it drop!" sorts of mechanics. But XIV loves em.
    Yop, I don't like that kind of busywork either.

    One of the main reasons I only play tank and healers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I would do all that even if I didn't had Enochian, so I don't see the issue.

    BLM doesn't appeal to you, no problem. I don't like being that stationary either.
    I don't have this problem with Black Mage prior to Enochian though, because prior to Enochian and the added Fire 4 and Blizzard 4 spells, all the spells you'd use automatically refresh the countdown so there honestly is nothing to think about there. Once you start using Fire and Blizz 4 the countdown actually affects your decision making because it actually starts counting down since Fire/Blizz 4 don't affect the counter.

    It's not the stationary portion that bothers me, I like casters, it's the feeling that because of the Enochian timer and how the cast times line up with it, that I feel punished any time I have to move because of how heavily any adjustment within that timer can affect your overall flow. Because of that, it feels clunky to me compared to other casters I've ever played.

    You're right though, Black Mage doesn't appeal to me, because of the above. But I'm done with it now, so never have to tough it again...until next expansion if I feel like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I don't have this problem with Black Mage prior to Enochian though, because prior to Enochian and the added Fire 4 and Blizzard 4 spells, all the spells you'd use automatically refresh the countdown so there honestly is nothing to think about there.
    Aah so you want a braindead 1-2-3 class. Understood.
    I never got how Lv50 BLM managed to not fall asleep during the fights.

    While I agree (and so did SE) that they went overboard in Heavensward (it felt as if you fight your class more than the boss) I think they arrived at a happy medium in Stormblood/ShB.

    Use your instant casts properly (you have 4! of them) and move skillfully. You will notice that it isn't as punishing as you think it is.
    Yes, sometimes you are forced to drop Eno. That's why it only has a 30s cooldown now. It should basically always be ready if you need it again unless you screw up. In which case, being punished is working as intended.

    I agree on the clunky feeling but imho that applies to all DPS except RDM and SAM & MNK. Most DPS classes in FF-XIV just don't flow properly. BRD / MCH are the worst offenders with their "mash teh button NAO!" burst windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I agree on the clunky feeling but imho that applies to all DPS except RDM and SAM & MNK. Most DPS classes in FF-XIV just don't flow properly. BRD / MCH are the worst offenders with their "mash teh button NAO!" burst windows.
    I actually disagree here, ShB MCH was one of the most fun experiences I had in the game.

    Yeah, yeah, I know! I've complained endlessly about the whole Inner Release mechanic in the past, and how it's overused. But MCH just always felt fun anyway in spite of it. (Now it's kinda got me thinking about playing again, hah.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Aah so you want a braindead 1-2-3 class. Understood.
    I never got how Lv50 BLM managed to not fall asleep during the fights.

    While I agree (and so did SE) that they went overboard in Heavensward (it felt as if you fight your class more than the boss) I think they arrived at a happy medium in Stormblood/ShB.

    Use your instant casts properly (you have 4! of them) and move skillfully. You will notice that it isn't as punishing as you think it is.
    Yes, sometimes you are forced to drop Eno. That's why it only has a 30s cooldown now. It should basically always be ready if you need it again unless you screw up. In which case, being punished is working as intended.

    I agree on the clunky feeling but imho that applies to all DPS except RDM and SAM & MNK. Most DPS classes in FF-XIV just don't flow properly. BRD / MCH are the worst offenders with their "mash teh button NAO!" burst windows.
    Different strokes for different folks then I guess, because MCH doesn't feel nearly as clunky to me as BLM does.

    I don't want braindead, just don't want to feel chained to the timer mechanic so unapologetically as BLM is, but I guess if I just learn to get over that feeling because it has a 30 second cooldown I'll be fine.

    That said, I much prefer MCH, RDM, SMN and DNC over BLM...so I'll stick with those.

    I actually really liked MCH, even the mash button window is fun. The issue I had with that is that it's optimal to double weave during that window, and I just can't do it consistently. Single weaving during that window feels good, double weaving feels frenetic and carpal tunnel inducing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    The issue I had with that is that it's optimal to double weave during that window, and I just can't do it consistently. Single weaving during that window feels good, double weaving feels frenetic and carpal tunnel inducing.
    Hence the "clunky" feeling.
    I hate classes that don't flow and I most certainly hate such "frenzy button mash" windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Hence the "clunky" feeling.
    I hate classes that don't flow and I most certainly hate such "frenzy button mash" windows.
    In your opinion what classes flow the most?

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