1. #49941
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    So... I guess if you want the complete FFXIV story experience, I'd recommend starting a new character. But if you just want to see the core story without strings attached, just do NG+.
    This is pretty accurate, but for me, the complete lack of rewards from NG+ makes it feel like wasted time. Whereas with a new character, everything you do has a reward attached to it and you can skip the vast majority of the Blue icon quests, the gear ilevel to do the patches is a relevant point though. If all I really wanted to do was see a story recap I could YouTube it and spend FAR less time getting updated on the main story beats than in NG+ because when playing NG+ you have to do ALL the MSQ quests in that particular NG+ section, including the fetch quests and pointless kill quests, not just the big story beats.

    It's obviously there for people who want it and I think it's a great addition, but for me, the amount of time necessary to go through NG+ and get absolutely no rewards for it feels far less efficient and therefore "wasted" in comparison to the other options available.

  2. #49942
    As usual the Nier raid was a lot of fun but the story around it was bad and lazy, except for some of the dwarf stuff.

    Diamond weapon was good. After you do all the Werylt quests, go back to Terncliff. Look for a bunch of little au ra children running around and follow them and read their popup text bubbles.

    MSQ was interesting. Zenos is still boring to me but Fandaniel is starting to grow on me a little. He irked me last patch with how his big evil plan seemed to pop in out of nowhere too quickly after we took out Elidibus but it was nice seeing us actually deliver a setback to things and him not flinching when Zenos threw that sword into the wall by his head.

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    By the 12, finding all the exploration Aether Currents in The Lochs was an endeavor, one I do not wish to repeat. Whomever thought it was a good idea to put them in places that you need to go on a long roundabout trip can kiss my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RampageBW1 View Post
    By the 12, finding all the exploration Aether Currents in The Lochs was an endeavor, one I do not wish to repeat. Whomever thought it was a good idea to put them in places that you need to go on a long roundabout trip can kiss my ass.
    I found it to be rather painless, compared to all the shit Blizzard puts you through. Yes, you do riddle about the one on the pillar for a while but it is SE's MO that you get flight once your main quest is done with a zone anyway, so I always would play through it first and then grab the "not so clear" currents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I found it to be rather painless, compared to all the shit Blizzard puts you through. Yes, you do riddle about the one on the pillar for a while but it is SE's MO that you get flight once your main quest is done with a zone anyway, so I always would play through it first and then grab the "not so clear" currents.
    I've always grabbed them as I'm going along for the most part so I don't end up doing huge roundabout pathing through the zone, so that once I do finish that last story quest in the zone that gives you an Aether Current, it unlocks flying. Not a lot of time saved either way, but I love the way SE does this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I found it to be rather painless, compared to all the shit Blizzard puts you through. Yes, you do riddle about the one on the pillar for a while but it is SE's MO that you get flight once your main quest is done with a zone anyway, so I always would play through it first and then grab the "not so clear" currents.
    Normally, I find the exploration Aether Currents rather painless too. However, The Lochs was rather frustrating in terms of these Aether Currents.

    Imagine you, being at Point A, and you see an Aether Current at Point B like 25 yards above your head. Normally you would think, "Oh good, this one is relatively close by, just need to get up there." Except the path to get up there involves a long ass trip that spans like (at least) 25% of the map because they made it that way on purpose.

    I mean, yes, it's no Pathfinder in WoW, but it's still frustrating.

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    It's not frustrating at all. I don't know why people are always this impatient and want everything "NOW NOW NOW!".

    Yeah sure, I stood there for a few minutes and it was a head scratcher, then I made a mental note of it's position and said: "I'll take care of you later".
    Got a chuckle out of it when I saw how the DEVs trolled the players in the end.

  8. #49948
    I'll always take popping the aether compass over and over to grab some currents like its a GPS instead of the pathfinder system.

    The main story has been interesting in 5.X stuff as we are finally solving one of the over arching problems by curing tempering.

    For the Nier Raid story It only really makes sense if you actually played the Nier Automata AND Drakengard games BUT ALSO were paying attention to those storylines and can connect the dots without it explictly being told to you here in 14. Otherwise its one of those storylines that leaves you scratching your head on what just happened.

    With Bozja Story is interesting, but its so boring to grind mettle that it makes leveling a fisher look like more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    So... I was doing the latest Ishgard Restoration quests, when this line was dropped and confounded me (5.5 MSQ spoilers)
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    "The situation at the Ghimlyt Dark remains at an impasse." Um... what? You're still locked in a stalemate with the Garleans at Ghimlyt? That's... impossible. Provinces have been rebelling left and right, such as Nagxia and Dalmasca and Bozja, and presumably provinces in the West as well. And then Varis died and then it became a free for all as Legions were breaking away left and right. The VIIth and the IVth don't give a crap about Garlemald's Western borders. Nerva and his IIIrd Legion were busy in the capital trying to assert control, and then they got wiped out. There is no one left who has the forces to - and is interested in - holding the line at Ghimlyt. Zenos certainly doesn't care ; he is chopping up his own people! Almost everyone in the capital city has either been brainwashed into being a tower builder, or has been fed to the tower! There is literally NO ONE LEFT! There is no central command that can give orders or organize supply chains to keep a Western front sustained! And even if there was an organized central command that could organize supply chains, those supply convoys and reinforcements would never reach Ghimlyt, as they would have to pass through through the hostile territory of rebelling provinces and rogue legions. If anything, Artoirel should have been coming back from Ghimlyt to say "oh yeah, I just finishing organizing our prison camps for the Garlean soldiers".


    Anyway, (Durendaire subplot) I was hoping that Carvallain was going to reunite with his father... maybe it will happen at the end of Count Durendaire's custom deliveries questline?

    Nice to see the dragon guy again.

    Also, really sucks that the Firmament isn't phased like the Doman Enclave. New players won't get to see it evolve over time and missed out on the earlier quests.
    The spoiler stuff I would write up to the time bubble. One of the very few problems I have with the story is how they are all over the place chronologically. You can run Palace of the Dead during your first job to level, but it is actually set after Tam-Tara hard mode for example. I would say Ishgard restoration is between 3.5 and 5.0 timeline wise. When it was added is another matter.

  10. #49950
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraethion View Post
    For the Nier Raid story It only really makes sense if you actually played the Nier Automata AND Drakengard games BUT ALSO were paying attention to those storylines and can connect the dots without it explictly being told to you here in 14. Otherwise its one of those storylines that leaves you scratching your head on what just happened.
    They've also tried to cram a lot into it with the Dwarves too. Which I get, it's so people who've not played Nier have something to latch on to. I stand by what I said way back when the cross over was announced - It's not something that should not have ever been attempted.

    I couldn't be bothered with Nier Automata. For lack of better phrasing it was a game that was too far up it's own arse to be worth my time. I skip through the story at the best of times but I still know whats happening and why most of the time. This time I had no idea at all what was going on. There was something about a giant ball of wool and hacking into the Matrix to fight a red mage?

    Also the lack of colour is very disorentating. White on white while fighting white enemies is just... Ugh. I'm sure theres some half arsed explanation for it, but a white void isn't exactly the most thrilling or interesting environment to host a raid in. It's somehow even blander than the previous two Nier raids - Which is an achivement in itself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeymootwo View Post
    I think Shadowbringers really dropped the ball after its release patch.
    The Weapon storyline was pretty good and Bozja has been decent, but yeah the Nier raids were a dud for me.

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  12. #49952
    I hope they make any more crossovers more like the MH version -- after playing through the story of the raids in ShB, its just really lackluster and kind of pointless in retrospect on many aspects of the story.

    I think FF14 works better in crossovers with short moments than full storylines. That being said -- YoRHa having a bad storyline (and Paradigm being somewhat worse than Puppets Bunker imo) doesnt ruin the storytelling high of Shadowbringers. I still think it has the best storytelling out of all the expansion.

    I just wish they put some more of that effort back into the battle systems.
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  13. #49953
    Nier was a letdown for me. The glamour is the best thing I've gotten out of it. Though I have friends that are really into Nier and they LOVE it. Like brought to tears during the city part kind of love. Sure wish it could have resonated with me the same way, but it's a franchise so disconnected from FF it felt like crossing Vagrant Story with Sonic The Hedgehog. A Chrono Trigger crossover revealing the Sound as being a spawn of Lavos would have made more sense. And even that would be stupid.

  14. #49954
    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeymootwo View Post
    I think Shadowbringers really dropped the ball after its release patch.
    No arguements there - The content I've enjoyed this expansion has been very threadbare. They've been making some very noticable cuts to group content and it shows. Only one expert dungeon per patch and no Deep Dungeons is very telling and all of the Ultimate content has been recycled from Heavensward and ARR.

    Quote Originally Posted by TidalConflux View Post
    I think FF14 works better in crossovers with short moments than full storylines.
    Oh absolutely. Short, memorable and self contained works far better than what they've tried to do with the Nier content. The MH crossover is a boss fight which kept most of its mechanics from MH. You don't already have to be invested in both games to enjoy it for what it is.

    With the way the game is set up now with Shadowbringers, and the idea that you can travel through to different shards of the star, opens up a lot of options for smaller crossovers without breaking canon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merie View Post
    A Chrono Trigger crossover revealing the Sound as being a spawn of Lavos would have made more sense. And even that would be stupid.
    I'd be on board with this. Chrono Trigger has a straight forward and simple enough story that you could convey it all in FF14 without too much effort and the game itself offered some highly varied and interesting locations.

    Mostly because Chrono Trigger is a game that's got very little filler and enough plot points to fit into 3 raids plus some fluff side content. Have each of the raid sections be set in a different time period and throw in the boss from each. Combine that with mechanics that would be easy to move over to FF14 and you're onto a winner.

  15. #49955
    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryZebra View Post
    I'd be on board with this. Chrono Trigger has a straight forward and simple enough story that you could convey it all in FF14 without too much effort and the game itself offered some highly varied and interesting locations.

    Mostly because Chrono Trigger is a game that's got very little filler and enough plot points to fit into 3 raids plus some fluff side content. Have each of the raid sections be set in a different time period and throw in the boss from each. Combine that with mechanics that would be easy to move over to FF14 and you're onto a winner.
    Same. That sounds pretty solid to me, though the hardest part for me would be paring Chrono Trigger down to just 3 raids. To do it justice, you'd have to have the Millenial Faire, Guardia Castle, Magus/Schala & 12,000 BC, The Future w/ Robo, the past with Ayla, & Lavos.

    Perhaps you could start in an old destroyed Guardia-style Castle with a fair happening within the ruins, then travel to the different eras from there. Start with the past, then go to the future, then finally go to the Magus/Schala city and have that one keep Lavos as an end boss.

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    If nothing else, Chrono Triggers fits a hell of a lot better with FF than Nier does.

  17. #49957
    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    Same. That sounds pretty solid to me, though the hardest part for me would be paring Chrono Trigger down to just 3 raids. To do it justice, you'd have to have the Millenial Faire, Guardia Castle, Magus/Schala & 12,000 BC, The Future w/ Robo, the past with Ayla, & Lavos.

    Perhaps you could start in an old destroyed Guardia-style Castle with a fair happening within the ruins, then travel to the different eras from there. Start with the past, then go to the future, then finally go to the Magus/Schala city and have that one keep Lavos as an end boss.
    Why not all?

    Due to the time traveling nature of the game, they could have the raid travel to the different eras to fight the time appropriate bosses. Each raid wouldn't need to be locked to a specific time period. They could do a lot with it because of how flexible they could be with the time traveling thing and the characters. I'm excited thinking about it. Would be awesome to see the Chrono Trigger characters in FFXIV art style and animation.

  18. #49958
    If a Chrono Trigger raid series is ever set up, I absolutely want an Enertron to put in my house that will restore my health, but leave me hungry.

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    Everything we had suspected was confirmed. Sharlayan. Scythe job.

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    Hm... really worried about the Reaper's ability color scheme. At first it seemed like it was going for a distinctive teal and black color scheme, but then they did red and black for the rest of the video, which seems indistinguishable from Dark Knight's ability animations.

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    Reaper looks awesome and uses the same gear as dragoon. Perfect!
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