1. #50601
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    No one goes in there and "wipes for days". The heck are you guys even talking about?

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    I don't see how. I've seen FAR more wipes on some LFR bosses (Granted, a fairly exclusive few. KJ for instance.) than I have on any Alliance Raid bosses.

    With 24 people, it's very easy to exploit the infinite rezzes and extremely loose tuning to pull most any group back from the brink in Alliance Raids.
    you do understand i wasnt being literal right? what i mean is wipe alot which they do. now if you have the luck to never get a shitty party thats on you but ive seen parties get decimated in the ivalice raids
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  2. #50602
    considering you were the only one that didnt get it i think its more on you m8
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  3. #50603
    so if i say im so angry that i am about to blow up, do you realy think i am going to explode? dude dont try to pass yourself as being in the right XD every1 that reads what i wrote understands that what i mean is people die a shitton and wipe stop trying to make yourself look superior
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

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    I've never wiped in an Alliance raid yet and I've done them all. People die like crazy on some mechanics (and the last boss in the ShB one killed like 2/3 of the group with one mechanic), but you still don't wipe because people just rez people until the boss eventually falls over. Unless there's some sort of enrage mechanic in these raids that I'm not aware of, but I haven't hit one yet. They just feel like slogs, and while some of the bosses or soundtracks might be cool in the instance itself, it still feels like a massive waste of time to me personally.

    Keep in mind LFR use to have one shot mechanics scattered across some bosses in days of old, which is something they removed overtime because the LFR audience just doesn't want that at all. These are littered with one shot mechanics, but because of how FF works you basically just slog your way through it. I counted half a dozen people just chain dying to mechanics seemingly on purpose in these dungeons, and/or just sitting in corners of the room not moving.

    The Crystal Tower series is "okay" in that it explains a few things about ShB, but that's about it. The ShB Alliance raid is just awful and the story has exactly zero to do with FF. Maybe that Nier game is good, but I don't want to have to play another game that has nothing to do with FF to understand the "cool" cross over event that apparently took place with this Alliance raid. I'm sure if you like that series you maybe liked it more than I did, but I felt completely shafted trying to understand the story in the game when it had nothing really to do with the game at all. I would have been better off just skipping through every cut scene and dialogue option. Also wanted to tear my eyes out having to run back and forth 100 times between the dwarf village, and then run 3/4 into the actual empty raid instance to pick up stuff. It brings back PTSD when I played ARR over 5 years ago and the dreaded line "pray, return to the waking sands" was brought up.

    Again, I'm mostly just talking about the ShB one more than any other one. It just felt like a massive waste of time to unlock all of that content, especially when it had nothing really to do with FF at all. They should have put a sign up telling you that this has nothing to do with the story and feel free to skip everything if you don't care about it.

  5. #50605
    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    I've never wiped in an Alliance raid yet and I've done them all. People die like crazy on some mechanics (and the last boss in the ShB one killed like 2/3 of the group with one mechanic), but you still don't wipe because people just rez people until the boss eventually falls over. Unless there's some sort of enrage mechanic in these raids that I'm not aware of, but I haven't hit one yet. They just feel like slogs, and while some of the bosses or soundtracks might be cool in the instance itself, it still feels like a massive waste of time to me personally.

    Keep in mind LFR use to have one shot mechanics scattered across some bosses in days of old, which is something they removed overtime because the LFR audience just doesn't want that at all. These are littered with one shot mechanics, but because of how FF works you basically just slog your way through it. I counted half a dozen people just chain dying to mechanics seemingly on purpose in these dungeons, and/or just sitting in corners of the room not moving.

    The Crystal Tower series is "okay" in that it explains a few things about ShB, but that's about it. The ShB Alliance raid is just awful and the story has exactly zero to do with FF. Maybe that Nier game is good, but I don't want to have to play another game that has nothing to do with FF to understand the "cool" cross over event that apparently took place with this Alliance raid. I'm sure if you like that series you maybe liked it more than I did, but I felt completely shafted trying to understand the story in the game when it had nothing really to do with the game at all. I would have been better off just skipping through every cut scene and dialogue option. Also wanted to tear my eyes out having to run back and forth 100 times between the dwarf village, and then run 3/4 into the actual empty raid instance to pick up stuff. It brings back PTSD when I played ARR over 5 years ago and the dreaded line "pray, return to the waking sands" was brought up.

    Again, I'm mostly just talking about the ShB one more than any other one. It just felt like a massive waste of time to unlock all of that content, especially when it had nothing really to do with FF at all. They should have put a sign up telling you that this has nothing to do with the story and feel free to skip everything if you don't care about it.
    honestly ARR HW and SHB are mostly easy but while doing the bozja relics the amount of stupidity, deaths and wipes on even rabanastre was astounding. i dont even go orbone because thunder god and ultima decimate randos
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  6. #50606
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Yes, it's definitely the readers fault for reading "people go in there and wipe for days" and thinking, "well that's just not true".
    Here, let me help you

    https://parade.com/1175397/marynlile...bole-examples/

    Hyperbole
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    exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
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    and you know exacly if i didnt meant it as one cause you so smart and i didnt put a smiley face so your brain could process it yet every1 else managed it
    someone else might have gotten it wrong.

  8. #50608
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Except for the fact that stating, "People wipe for days in a raid" isn't hyperbole. Especially when it's presented straight up like it was, without any context or sarcasm. Indeed, any casual reader familiar with MMOs might hear, "People wipe for days in this raid" and find that to be a perfectly normal state of affairs.

    So yes, given the straight way it was presented and the fact that grossly embellishing aspects of XIV is fairly common around here, it seems safe to assume that it wasn't intended as hyperbole at all.
    Just think twice before posting then. It was pretty obvious..

  9. #50609
    Val is pretty spot on with LFR = Alliance Raids. I've never wiped more than a couple times on any boss throughout any of them. It's a story telling advice for a wide audience and like LFR, it has to be made for the lowest common denominator.

  10. #50610
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    No one goes in there and "wipes for days". The heck are you guys even talking about?
    Not literally, but there are some of the Alliance raids where there's at least a few wipes. Until the knuckleheads actually stop and listen to the instructions.

    I don't see how. I've seen FAR more wipes on some LFR bosses (Granted, a fairly exclusive few. KJ for instance.) than I have on any Alliance Raid bosses.
    It's the same for the Alliance Raids, it's not all of the bosses, only a few of them in a a few instances. And KJ is a perfect example of WHY, as it's similar mechanics that cause the wipes in the FFXIV Raids: Instant kill mechanics if you do it wrong. If a large enough portion of the raid dies to those there's almost no recovering as there won't be enough damage going out or healing happening to maintain the fight if that many rezzes need to happen to keep it going. While it might be possible, it's usually just easier to wipe and try again.

    With 24 people, it's very easy to exploit the infinite rezzes and extremely loose tuning to pull most any group back from the brink in Alliance Raids.
    Loose tuning yes, but that's still based on having the majority of the raid alive with enough people that know what they're doing and able to avoid mechanics and the avoidable damage in general to maintain the damage and healing required to keep the whole raid going. Many of the bosses have raid wide AoE damage or instant kill mechanics for the entire raid if enough people aren't alive to do them.

    I'm not trying to say that they're way different from LFR, but in my experience the FFXIV Alliance Raids have more bosses with these kinds of punishing mechanics than WoW LFR does. They're not difficult mechanics, usually, just very punishing if you don't do them right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakhath View Post
    Val is pretty spot on with LFR = Alliance Raids. I've never wiped more than a couple times on any boss throughout any of them. It's a story telling advice for a wide audience and like LFR, it has to be made for the lowest common denominator.
    I think it's a difference of "perceived" difficulty versus actual difficulty. In terms of actual difficulty, both LFR and Alliance Raids are very easy and it's unlikely you'll ever wipe. But in Alliance Raids, it's more likely that you'll die if you don't know what's going on. The difference is that FF14 has unlimited resses so you'll just get ressed and move on. Whereas in WoW LFR it's more unlikely that you'll die, but if people start dropping, then it will likely result in a wipe because there are only a few bresses.

  12. #50612
    Quote Originally Posted by Poppincaps View Post
    I think it's a difference of "perceived" difficulty versus actual difficulty. In terms of actual difficulty, both LFR and Alliance Raids are very easy and it's unlikely you'll ever wipe. But in Alliance Raids, it's more likely that you'll die if you don't know what's going on. The difference is that FF14 has unlimited resses so you'll just get ressed and move on. Whereas in WoW LFR it's more unlikely that you'll die, but if people start dropping, then it will likely result in a wipe because there are only a few bresses.
    I haven't seen many alliance raids, yet (only the ones needed for MSQ in ARR), but this seems to be spot on for them. While in the alliance raids you'll die far more often if you don't know the mechanics than in LFR, it doesn't really result in more wipes due to the available recovery tools.

    [e] On a completely different note: I wish they'd increase the incentives for the trial roulette a little bit. Waiting times for almost all dungeons are close to 0 as healer, and also still ok as dps. But going into SB and having to do trials for the MSQ can be quite annoying. Even as healer sometimes they just don't open for a while, as there don't seem to be many people doing the roulette. It kinda takes out the flow from leveling / the story when you're more or less forced to stop. At lower levels, there seemed to still be that huge influx of new players, which also signed up and the waiting times were good.
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  13. #50613
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    People like to hype HW's but it didn't click with me cause i don't care about dragons.
    I don't care about dragons either. I loved HW because of the other characters. Coming from ARR where NPCs weren't concerned about the WoL as anything more than a weapon to essentially being adopted by Ishgard was great.

    Which i totally advise against, but it is difficult to get peeps off the "rush to max level mindset" we have been conditioned with.
    I'm in no rush to get to the end of the game, I'm no raider. I suspect I'll be somewhere in ShB when EW launches since I haven't even started SB yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostfred View Post
    [e] On a completely different note: I wish they'd increase the incentives for the trial roulette a little bit.
    Yes! Getting a trial for leveling roulette sucks, especially when you've been waiting in a 15 minute queue as DPS. I've since learned that queuing for dungeons individually after getting the daily bonus is better. I'm not sure why, but my queue times went down to around 5 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lane View Post
    Coming from ARR where NPCs weren't concerned about the WoL as anything more than a weapon to essentially being adopted by Ishgard was great.
    I actually miss NPC's treating my mute murder-hobo of a character as anything more than a completely interchangable arsehole. I want to kill the things for the rewards and little else. I don't care about anything else.

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    Yeah HW is dope. Has a big cast of characters I like (including the dragons) and by the end of it you really feel like Ishgard is basically your city. Not to mention the city itself is probably the best city in the game (IMO).

    As far as the roulette goes you're probably in a weird area where nobody is really doing that type of roulette anymore. The huge surge of players might have died off some because honestly it's a lot of time to invest into the game, especially when you start to realize there's about a third of another expansions worth of MSQ after you hit each expansions conclusion before moving onto the next. You also have a lot of different players who will stop and unlock everything at 50/60/70, and then players who beeline to 80 and work backwards from there. I was sort of a mix and just unlocked somethings along the way, but had no interest in trying to do extremes or savage difficulty along the way. Not that I could find a group for many of them, because I tried and pugs take forever to form for them.

    Personally I find trials pretty fun (especially the ones you unlock that aren't part of the MSQ), but from a roulette perspective they really don't offer much. Leveling dungeons offer a decent amount from an XP perspective, but man they really aren't fun to do. I think FF14 does it's version of de-leveling and changing your stats far better than what WoW does, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it that much. A lot of classes in this game feel super bare bones below 50, and some of them feel really bad at 60 and below too. What's even more frustrating is playing classes that basically remove some obsolete abilities, and having to use them again if you decide to do old content. It's not a huge deal though because it's not like you have to be efficient doing old stuff (as it's generally really easy).

    Still, I stay away from things like trial roulette because the XP just doesn't seem worth it for leveling alternate jobs, and the low level roulette because it's just not fun. Most of the roulettes I do are the raid (not the Alliance one, fuck that), the expert one, and the level 80 one. Mostly because those are the most fun, and I generally get to play the class as it is. Main scenario isn't bad if you're trying to farm poetics, but it's a coin flip on whether or not you get to spend 25 minutes or nearly 50 minutes in one.

  16. #50616
    Hey guys, I’ve recently started playing the game to check it out and I got a few questions.

    I’m playing the free trial right now, if I buy the real game is there another starting point?

    Do cutscenes and NPC’s have any voice acting? So far I’ve been experienced dead silence except for the “main” cutscenes

    What would be a fun job/class for starting players ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by |Dexter| View Post
    I never say it's unique to XIV. The story was good apart of the massive filter bits but I had major issues with server latency making group content one nightmare... my latency from Texas was as high as 1000ms at one point, were in WoW it's never top 100ms
    1000 ms from Texas? That's incredibly odd, because I'm over in Idaho and I never get over 100 ms... what the hell server you playing on? Did you pick one of the data centers that's literally IN Japan? Because there are American servers that are literally located in a few places in the US so you don't get any sort of ping like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodKazekage View Post
    Hey guys, I’ve recently started playing the game to check it out and I got a few questions.

    I’m playing the free trial right now, if I buy the real game is there another starting point?
    Only if you decide to make a new character, or don't upgrade your account correctly! I'm not sure what the process is, but SE's account system is so screwy and backwards that there have been a handful of people who bought the game twice by accident when they were trying to upgrade their account from a free trial...so just be careful and make sure you google around and see if you can find a guide or something just to be safe. The SE account system is hands down the game's biggest weakness...it's so confusing.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoodKazekage View Post
    Do cutscenes and NPC’s have any voice acting? So far I’ve been experienced dead silence except for the “main” cutscenes
    As you've experience, it's mainly the "major" cutscenes have voice acting. None of the side quests do, and the Hildibrand stuff has some pretty epic silly sound effects going on with the no voice acting thing. It can be a little jarring, going from no voice acting to suddenly fully voiced stuff (or vice-versa) but you get used to it eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoodKazekage View Post
    What would be a fun job/class for starting players ?
    A lot of people pick Dragoon or Warrior, those two seem to be pretty fun for new people. The good news is that if you don't like how a class is going (and some of them can take a little while to really pick up steam, like Thaumaturge/Black Mage) then you can just select another one and level that up instead!

    Welcome to Eorzea \o/

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodKazekage View Post
    Hey guys, I’ve recently started playing the game to check it out and I got a few questions.

    I’m playing the free trial right now, if I buy the real game is there another starting point?

    Do cutscenes and NPC’s have any voice acting? So far I’ve been experienced dead silence except for the “main” cutscenes

    What would be a fun job/class for starting players ?
    It’s not all voiced, so you’ll have to read a bunch :/
    As for class, I have a machiniest and it’s rather fun and a Dark knight, but can’t be dark knight till you walk into the second expansion but it has a cool story… I bought the boost for machiniest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Yeah HW is dope. Has a big cast of characters I like (including the dragons) and by the end of it you really feel like Ishgard is basically your city. Not to mention the city itself is probably the best city in the game (IMO).

    As far as the roulette goes you're probably in a weird area where nobody is really doing that type of roulette anymore. The huge surge of players might have died off some because honestly it's a lot of time to invest into the game, especially when you start to realize there's about a third of another expansions worth of MSQ after you hit each expansions conclusion before moving onto the next. You also have a lot of different players who will stop and unlock everything at 50/60/70, and then players who beeline to 80 and work backwards from there. I was sort of a mix and just unlocked somethings along the way, but had no interest in trying to do extremes or savage difficulty along the way. Not that I could find a group for many of them, because I tried and pugs take forever to form for them.

    Personally I find trials pretty fun (especially the ones you unlock that aren't part of the MSQ), but from a roulette perspective they really don't offer much. Leveling dungeons offer a decent amount from an XP perspective, but man they really aren't fun to do. I think FF14 does it's version of de-leveling and changing your stats far better than what WoW does, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it that much. A lot of classes in this game feel super bare bones below 50, and some of them feel really bad at 60 and below too. What's even more frustrating is playing classes that basically remove some obsolete abilities, and having to use them again if you decide to do old content. It's not a huge deal though because it's not like you have to be efficient doing old stuff (as it's generally really easy).

    Still, I stay away from things like trial roulette because the XP just doesn't seem worth it for leveling alternate jobs, and the low level roulette because it's just not fun. Most of the roulettes I do are the raid (not the Alliance one, fuck that), the expert one, and the level 80 one. Mostly because those are the most fun, and I generally get to play the class as it is. Main scenario isn't bad if you're trying to farm poetics, but it's a coin flip on whether or not you get to spend 25 minutes or nearly 50 minutes in one.
    The pre-expansion quest drag on so long, I have bought a skip each time now. You finally get to the end of the story and think it’s all good time to start the next but no still like 100 more quest to do, usually just run here talk to this sort of stuff too. Easy to just skip get the money that comes with and watch what you missed…

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    For the record, voice acting occurs more frequently as the game goes on. There was quite a bit of voice acting in Shadowbringers.

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