1. #51801
    I watched whole job trailer and holy cow it looks sssssooooooo gooooooood
    https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/d...c7f41a29ab.jpg

    Especially summoner. But I feel machinist is still going to be my best job.
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    Coolest new abilities I saw:


    Dragoon sends out spiraling twin dragons like Hanzo.




    Samurai now have a new flashy CD.




    Nice lightning attack for Ninja.




    The Reaper animation effects are really good. Best looking player attack animation effects in the game. Reminds me of the artstyle GW2 was trying to go for, but far cleaner and more legible. Visually, the summon/ghost is the most meh part about Reaper, sadly. Not as cool as his other attacks.









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  3. #51803
    These guys have wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better Live Letters then WoW. Juicy ass stuff. All I can say is Damn. Keep it coming.
    People on this thread only get pissed at you when you don't agree with them...FACT

  4. #51804
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive View Post
    These guys have wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better Live Letters then WoW. Juicy ass stuff. All I can say is Damn. Keep it coming.
    Really, what have they shown/said that puts them ahead of WOW?

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    After that live letter, I gonna give it another go...! I switch Internet service and hopefully will have a way better exp!

  6. #51806
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    Really, what have they shown/said that puts them ahead of WOW?
    They're much more in-depth and transparent.

  7. #51807
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    Really, what have they shown/said that puts them ahead of WOW?
    Literally everything. First and foremost their insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    Really, what have they shown/said that puts them ahead of WOW?
    First of all, why would they need to show/said anything that puts them ahead of WOW, however they clearly listen to the WoW Refugees feedback however, some of the major changes are things a lot of WoW Refugees wanted and I think just the combat animations put them WAY WAY ahead of WoW...

    But honestly, it's the way the DEV show passion and read live comments during the live briefing... this is not some scripted event they got talking points but the devs are not just talking about the changes but also go into the why kinda and feel much more human them the robotic WoW presentation or the here is the changelog go watch some YouTuber to translate it into more details... It just feels better to see the devs and see their activity interact with the players and not just answer a really filtered list of safe questions.

    They even added a live English translater this time!

    That is one of the things that push FFXIV way ahead of WoW... player interaction and really listen to players at the start of an XPack... making sure people know what was in the head of the devs when they developed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by |Dexter| View Post
    They even added a live English translater this time!
    Live Letters that are related to upcoming expansions are always translated live. This is nothing new.

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    Everyone's simping Summoners now
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    Everyone's simping Summoners now
    It's everything I wanted. I'm so ready to pick my book back up.

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    Sage sounds like it plays like a MoP Mistweaver monk or a Warhammer Warrior Priest in that they can mark a player, and then the marked player is healed for a percentage of the Sage's damage dealt. Knowing how amazing Mistweavers were in MoP PvP, Sage could be really awesome in the upcoming new small scale PvP mode.

  13. #51813
    Quote Originally Posted by |Dexter| View Post
    First of all, why would they need to show/said anything that puts them ahead of WOW, however they clearly listen to the WoW Refugees feedback however, some of the major changes are things a lot of WoW Refugees wanted and I think just the combat animations put them WAY WAY ahead of WoW...

    But honestly, it's the way the DEV show passion and read live comments during the live briefing... this is not some scripted event they got talking points but the devs are not just talking about the changes but also go into the why kinda and feel much more human them the robotic WoW presentation or the here is the changelog go watch some YouTuber to translate it into more details... It just feels better to see the devs and see their activity interact with the players and not just answer a really filtered list of safe questions.

    They even added a live English translater this time!

    That is one of the things that push FFXIV way ahead of WoW... player interaction and really listen to players at the start of an XPack... making sure people know what was in the head of the devs when they developed it.

    This answer here is literally sums it all up for me. Developers in FFXIV listen to their player base and want us to have fun in the game. NOT do chores in the game. Best fucking answer ever Dexter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Literally everything. First and foremost their insight.
    This sums up my 2 best answer.


    These 2 answers alone puts FFXIV far ahead of wow. Wow devs make the game to keep people logged in as much as they can for as long as they can. Hence the boring ass chores.

    FFXIV makes their game fun so logging in is for fun and not based on chores that you have to do. The devs in FF respects a players time. Something the WoW devs have clearly forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive View Post
    Wow devs make the game to keep people logged in as much as they can for as long as they can. Hence the boring ass chores.

    FFXIV makes their game fun so logging in is for fun and not based on chores that you have to do. The devs in FF respects a players time. Something the WoW devs have clearly forgotten.
    If your game chores are boring stop doing them, has worked for me for years. Don't expect the devs to respect your time if your not respecting your time.

    I did Torghast just enough to get what I wanted then stopped and at no point did Blizzard come to my house and force me to keep running it. Currently playing FF XIV and I see nothing that is any different from WOW in terms of chores. I could go back to WOW and play both MMOs with plenty of time to play other games.

  15. #51815
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    If your game chores are boring stop doing them, has worked for me for years. Don't expect the devs to respect your time if your not respecting your time.

    I did Torghast just enough to get what I wanted then stopped and at no point did Blizzard come to my house and force me to keep running it. Currently playing FF XIV and I see nothing that is any different from WOW in terms of chores. I could go back to WOW and play both MMOs with plenty of time to play other games.
    If you stop doing them, you will realize that... nothing much left of game remains lol. Stop doing WQs, events, choregast, bingo lottery tickets and you will be left with... pet battles, raids and pvp. Not much reason to go open world, nothing else is there cause it was removed because of FOMO driven game development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmatrix View Post
    If your game chores are boring stop doing them, has worked for me for years. Don't expect the devs to respect your time if your not respecting your time.

    I did Torghast just enough to get what I wanted then stopped and at no point did Blizzard come to my house and force me to keep running it. Currently playing FF XIV and I see nothing that is any different from WOW in terms of chores. I could go back to WOW and play both MMOs with plenty of time to play other games.


    Kaminaris gives the best answer to this. If you stop the chores in WoW then the game is nothing but a borefest. There is nothing fun in the game to do as it is. I am sorry. I know you want to defend WoW. I use to do it as well long ago. But I am done defending their ass any more. FFXIV is far ahead in making a game fun for the players now. That trophy cup no longer belongs to WoW. maybe next expansion they will claim it back. But with the way the devs are so fucking stubborn in making the game, I highly doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive View Post
    FFXIV makes their game fun so logging in is for fun and not based on chores that you have to do. The devs in FF respects a players time. Something the WoW devs have clearly forgotten.
    Yeah, you just log in, do your roulettes for tomes and alt jobs experience, send your retainers and squadrons on new missions, do daily beast tribe quests, wondrous tails, cactpot, fashion report, crafting leves, then log off and thank God for not having to spend 10 minutes on doing daily emissary quests in WoW.
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Looking for Raid.
    They never found one though

  18. #51818
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    Yeah, you just log in, do your roulettes for tomes and alt jobs experience, send your retainers and squadrons on new missions, do daily beast tribe quests, wondrous tails, cactpot, fashion report, crafting leves, then log off and thank God for not having to spend 10 minutes on doing daily emissary quests in WoW.
    Yeah with the exception that cactpot alone is more fun than anything wow has in terms of repayable content. And there is no renown to keep up so you can skip shit you don't want to do.
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    I mean, that's what I'm doing too. You can play both games and enjoy them.

    While I watched the live stream, I didn't see anything super spectacular from it and found it kind of boring. If there's a compilation where people who have been with the game for ages can sum things up, I'd be more interested in looking at that. Most of it just seemed like animations, and unless you're familiar with how most jobs work (I'm not, I only know several of them that I have at 80) you wouldn't even pick up on what's new.

    From what I gather there's a lot of homogenization being added to the game, by pretty much syncing everyone's CDs to a 60 or 120 second mark (some exceptions obviously). Healers that didn't have worthwhile ST or AoE damage are having them added. Tanks are being rewarded for hitting defensive abilities (although it wasn't elaborated on), while every tank is getting 5 extra 'malms' on their gap closer, and physical/magic damage calculations are being brought to similar proportions. Range DPS that weren't mobile are getting extra mobility and the ability to bank procs, while some classes just have buffs you maintain being rolled into the base class, or removed altogether.

    I get that part of this thread is to shit on WoW whenever possible and defend game which is the threads title at all costs, but it's not like the live letter was revolutionary. Most of the comments taken from chat was just talking about reactions and picking positive things. Obviously I don't blame them for this, but it's not any different than pre-picked softball questions that developers get asked during WoW. It's not like the person doing English translation was picking out extremely negative things (and there were plenty) because it would be stupid to do so.

    FF14 and WoW are just completely developed differently too. They need to have huge pressers like this because this game doesn't have a giant open beta like every other MMO where information is both datamined and critiqued to death before it even gets released. You can't even really critique anything in FF14 because you don't really get to truly see it until it's actually released (which has both positives and negatives). Personally I'm still of the mindset that keeping things shrouded is generally better though because then everybody is actually surprised, whether it's for better or worse.

    All in all the live stream thing was whatever for me. I'm going to get the game and just look forward to actual concrete changes rather than loose footnotes if they arise closer to launch. If not, I'll just learn when I actually play the game and hope that the direction they took certain jobs in is actually positive.

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    I kind of do wish wow didn't have a beta or PTR anymore, and just did all their testing in-house. Keep some of the mystery. But I play both games, and don't feel the need to take a dump on one game over another like some kind of jilted ex, or a disgruntled cop who lost his pension. I find that interaction really weird.

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