4.3 Warlock BiS List

[Kildragon]

Here's a BiS list for all 3 Warlock specs for 4.3

http://simulationcraft.org/430/Warlo...-scale-factors

These are the current scale factors for all 3 specs. The priorities changed a little so I'll write it out. Of course all of these stat weights may depend on gear so Sim your set up for accurate results.

Demonology: Int>>>>>Hit(until cap)>>>Mastery>>>Crit>>>Haste
Destruction: Int>>>>>Hit(until cap)>>>Haste>>>Mastery>>>Crit
Affliction: Int>>>>Hit(until cap)>>>Haste>>>Crit>>>Mastery

The two big changes are to Demonology and Destruction, with Demonology picking up Crit after Mastery instead of Haste, and Destruction using Mastery after Haste. Be careful with these stat weights though, because the official sims do not display a scale chart, meaning for Demo, Haste could be above Crit until a certain value such as the next dot tick. For Destro, Mastery picked up some weight, most likely due to Shadowburn now benefiting from our Mastery, and our fire spells receiving buffs with corruption and BoD doing a smaller percentage of our damage. Still be careful with this since Mastery is only .0064 ahead of Crit.

Now on to the BiS list. With the information currently available, it seems like our gloves will yet again be our off-piece due to the glove drop off of heroic Deathwing.

There seems to be a shortage of available 410 items in certain slots such as our neckpiece, so we may be stuck wearing 397 VP gear or BiS T12 gear in some slots. The current patch on the PTR is of course not a release candidate yet so they may still add some items, but for now our BiS list does not include full Heroic DS gear.

Head:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78702
Neck:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=71472 will be our only available neck choice next to the JP one
Shoulder:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78749
Cloak:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=77098 397 iLvl
Chest:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78730
Bracers:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78417
Gloves:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78461
Belt: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78391
Legs:http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78721
Boots: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78449
Wand: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78392
Rings: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78490 and http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78419

Weapons: As warlocks we will have 2 weapon choices this upcoming tier http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78477 and http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78418 I previously thought that me may be able to choose the dagger from Deathwing as well, but as there isn't a single off-hand available to warlocks this upcoming tier our choices are restricted to the two staves.

Trinkets: We will have three new trinket choices to consider http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=77995 http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=77991 http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78000 WoU will be BiS for all casters, since 990 static int is impossible to beat. After that you have the choice between ICM and CoC. ICM's proc is rather insane, meaning this choice will come down to how often CoC will proc and how much it will hit for. It will also be important to find out if it benefits from our SP, crit, Afflic's Shadow Mastery or Demo's Demonic Knowledge. For Demonology, MWC may still be a viable trinket option, especially on fights where two DG's are possible.

Again so far 4.3's loot table is rather disappointing, with us not being able to pick up a 410 neck or cloak, not being able to use a dagger due to no offhand being available, and the rather stupid VP system which restricts our gear choices to exactly 1 item per slot, unless they implement more gear or give us a system similar to the firestone vendor.

ICD is 2min so kinda meh

This is actually the best possible scenario since it will be up for every single demon soul. Me happy

[Deleted]

Those trinkets look jummy! And an AoE proc one? NICE!

---------- Post added 2011-11-04 at 11:16 PM ----------

BW would probably be the better choice if it was on a 1min or two minute cooldown. As it sits right now it will be usable with the first DS, but saving it for 30 seconds to have it line up with the second DS is probably not gonna be worth it.

[SteelerD24]

999 static int will no doubt be BiS for all casters.

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999 static int will no doubt be BiS for all casters.

Yep, from me doing some napkin math I agree with that statement.

According to my current stat weights 990 intellect would equal 3455 dps (3,49 per Int).
While the proc from the insignia of the corrupted mind would equal 5632 dps, and on top of that the passive 517 intellect for 1804 dps.
So basically, the proc would need to be up often enough to account for the 1651 passive dps loss. 5632/1651 = 3,411, and 1/3,411 = 0,293 gives that the proc would need to be up 29% of the time for it to be worth it.

Keep in mind that I'm tired and drinking whiskey, so my maths might not be top notch atm. Please point out any flaws I've made.

[Penguin FTW]

Static int is boring but amazing

---------- Post added 2011-11-04 at 05:48 PM ----------

On a completely unrelated note, I learned a new word today! http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio...99-l%C9%99r%5C

[Deleted]

Should come in handy when fighting deathwing

[Deleted]

Imo the 999 int will become 999 SP.

[Dastey]

That haste staff is looking pretty damn insane as it is right now (http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=78477#see-also). Wonder what the proc rate will be like on it.

There was a post on elitistjerks. with this picture:
http://imgur.com/9n4q9.png
Averagely it looks like a procc every 55th second making it average 395 haste for yourself and 79 for 3 persons. A total amount of 632 haste. This however is not only personal but raid dps.

Compare it to the Lightning Rod you gain 180 spell power, 2 intellect, 33 personal haste, 237 raid haste but you lose 339 hit.
If we calculate on personal base the 180 spell power * 3,5 (approximate numbers) is 630 dps. 2 intellect and 33 haste is around 60 dps- and 339 hit is 950 dps.
So on a personal level you will lose around 260 dps. But on a raid base you will gain maybe 100 dps. So its not such an awesome staff if u ask me, ofc my math is probably pretty horrible but they cant be that horrible.

Also to the OP the legendary will be far better than any of theese staffs, but if you dont have the legendary well then there will be a decision to take

---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 12:38 AM ----------

Imo the 999 int will become 999 SP.

Seing that the rest of the trinket are spirit, strength, agility I really doubt that will happen, so I think its pretty much put in stone to be 990 intellect

[daethINC]

So demo wont be using MWC in 4.3? Isnt MWC like 20% more DMG in meta? Maybe more now with the buff to our mastery.

[Netherspark]

Several of the items you listed are from the VP vendor and do not have a Heroic version.

[Kildragon]

Keep in mind that the haste buff from the staff will most likely proc almost in line with all of your major cds. As for MWC, the mastery simply can't compete with the haste proc or even the SP use.

I realize that some of these items are from the vp vendor but will they have a similar system in place similar to the firestone system? If not we'll have even less gear choices than we do now. For some of them even none at all above vp level.

[Xorn]

One thing we need to consider with the weapon selection is that the dagger from Deathwing creates a dot, which in theory SHOULD increase Shadow Bite damage by yet another 30% in addition to the damage itself and any cleave potential. In addition, the damage scales with all buffs on the PTR and has no internal CD, giving it about 67% uptime at the moment. I don't know if that would be enough to put it on par with the staff, but it might level the playing field quite a bit.

Furthermore, if the Shadowbolt Volley from the trinket behaves like the VPLC then it should scale with both Aff and Demo's passive increase to shadow damage just as the Lightning Bolts scale with the Shaman/Druid passives. I foresee it being the trinket of choice in any sort of multi-target situation, and possibly even single target if the proc ends up hitting hard enough.

[Deleted]

The new procs seem very interesting. I wonder if having multiple [Ti'tahk]s in raid will provide extra haste (meaning that is the buff going to have a cooldown or only the proc?).

[kosuko]

So demo wont be using MWC in 4.3? Isnt MWC like 20% more DMG in meta? Maybe more now with the buff to our mastery.

Anyone who can answer this?

[Netherspark]

I realize that some of these items are from the vp vendor but will they have a similar system in place similar to the firestone system? If not we'll have even less gear choices than we do now. For some of them even none at all above vp level.

There does not seem to be.

[Kildragon]

One thing we need to consider with the weapon selection is that the dagger from Deathwing creates a dot, which in theory SHOULD increase Shadow Bite damage by yet another 30% in addition to the damage itself and any cleave potential. In addition, the damage scales with all buffs on the PTR and has no internal CD, giving it about 67% uptime at the moment. I don't know if that would be enough to put it on par with the staff, but it might level the playing field quite a bit.

You may have a point with this. If the proc from this weapon can compete with the proc from the staff in terms of DPS gain, this weapon with an offhand might surpass the staff. I feel that this depends a lot on the ICD of the staff which atm seems to be 55 seconds, and your raid composition. According to the early warlock sims, Haste comes out as our dead last stat for Demo, meaning it may actually fall behind Rathrak, especially if our felpup damage benefits from this dot.

The new procs seem very interesting. I wonder if having multiple [Ti'tahk]s in raid will provide extra haste (meaning that is the buff going to have a cooldown or only the proc?).

I haven't been able to do testing on the PTR with this weapon so I have to admit that my knowledge is a little bit limited and I'm going off of assumptions, but it makes the most sense to have the Haste proc to allies be unable to stack but aside from that simply go by their individual ICD's.

So demo wont be using MWC in 4.3? Isnt MWC like 20% more DMG in meta? Maybe more now with the buff to our mastery.

MWC may very well compete with the normal versions of the other trinkets, but once you reach Heroic trinkets, the passive int alone will make them more valuable. On top of that the sheer amount of stats you gain from them makes both WoU and ICM stronger in theory. Again the value of ICM will strongly depend on when it will proc, aka a proc during lust will push you below the GCD. Additionally MWC could pick up some strength again for Demo due to us being able to use two DG's during longer fights. For now I'd say HWoU is by far the strongest caster trinket in game currently, followed closely by HICM and possibly MWC for demo. In theory, HICM provides a personal bloodlust, which if possible to line up with Meta will push this trinket ahead of MWC. It may even come out to be that a Meta with the HICM proc will be superior to Meta with our Fel Guard Demon Soul.

BW would probably be the better choice if it was on a 1min or two minute cooldown. As it sits right now it will be usable with the first DS, but saving it for 30 seconds to have it line up with the second DS is probably not gonna be worth it.

Just remember that we currently hold both Demon Soul OR Meta for up to 45 seconds to line up with each other. If such a stat stacking scenario is possible, BW's value will rise significantly. For the other 2 specs, it may lose some value however. I'm also still not sure if a Heroic version of BW will be available. If not, HWoU and HICM will be the only two viable trinket choices for both Destro and Afflic, with Demo still considering MWC on fights with two DG's.

There does not seem to be.

This means I'll have to revise my list of some items, I simply assumed we would have more than one choice available for these slots.

---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 03:48 PM ----------

I just went over the new information I got, and edited the BiS list accordingly. The main change is, so far we will only have 1 item for each gear slot and no Heroic items for our neck and cloak.

[Zole_Zole_Zole]

Will of Unbinding and Insignia of the Corrupted Mind look amazing. I want it now.

[Impzor]

I'm happy atleast I can get rid of my DMV :P

[Hellfury]

Managed to get http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=77991 on LFR.

ICD is 2mins so kinda meh but even the LFR version of it 384 its 20% haste

[Kivimetsan]

Will Dragonwrath still be BiS? I highly doubt it will be replaced before next expansion. Also, what about MWC for Demo? Still awesome no doubt.