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    Hunter BiS for Regular DS

    I made this for my guild today, and felt like copying it over. This is the MM BiS for regular Dragon Soul - not the raid finder difficulty as that does not count as real raiding. I might get a Heroic mode together in a while. This is copy pasted from my guild site so if there is anything offensive, I apologize.

    2 pc Tier 13 > 4 pc tier 12 from what I have done.


    Head:
    1. Wyrmstalkers Headguard - T13 Token

    2. Zeherah's Dragonskull Crown - Valor Points


    the Tier is slightly better and frees up another piece for the offset.

    Shoulders:
    1. Wyrmstalker's Spaulders -t13 Tier Token

    Only goddamn shoulders in the whole tier

    Cloak:
    1. Batwing Cloak - Valor Points

    2. Heroic Dreadfire Drape - Heroic Lord Ryolith (Firelands)

    If you have the means go get the Heroic Dreadfire Drape from Heroic Ryolith do that, the extra Agility outweighs the secondary stats 50 AGI vs 60 secondary stats.
    If not the Batwing cloak is still decent, just not ideal.

    For heroic gear Heroic Dreadfire Drape is still slightly better, but run it through femaledwarf just to be sure - 55 AGI vs 140 secondary stats.

    Thank you too Deepfriedegg for pointing this out with the stats.


    Chest:
    1. Wyrmstalker's Tunic -t13 Tier Token
    2. Dragonflayer Vest - Valor Points

    Tier is only is better, as the extra agi socket bonus overrules the worse secondary stats.

    Wrists
    1. Bracers of the Hunter-Killer - Leatherworking
    2. Bracers of Looming Darkness - Ultraxion
    3. Dragonbelly Bracers - Valor Points (BoE)

    Outside of Heroic - Bracers of the hunter-killer is heads above the others With Heroic the H Looming Darkness will probably outweigh H-K's but not by much. Dragonbelly bracers pretty much suck.

    Gloves:
    1. Sporebeard Gauntlets - Morchok
    2. Arrowflick Gauntlets - Valor Points
    3. Wyrmstalker's Gloves -t13 Tier Token

    This tier piece is pretty shitty, and I would recommend using the Sporebeard as your offtier piece. Arrowflick are about equal as the tier, but not worth breaking t13 or t12 2pc to use.

    Belt:
    1. Belt of the Beloved Companion - Warmaster Blackhorn
    2. Cord of Dragon Sinew - Valor Points
    3. Dragoncarver Belt - Leatherworking


    Beloved Companion is heads above the others. Dragon Sinew is second with the extra socket, and Dragoncarver is obviously 3rd, nothing weird here.

    Pants:
    1. Wyrmstalker's Legguards -t13 Tier Token
    2. Rended Earth Leggings - Leatherworking

    Given the tier set the tier legs are much better. Use the Tier.

    Boots:
    1. Treads of Dominant Dreams - Hagara the Stormbinder
    2. Boneshard Boots - Valor Points (BoE)

    Clearly the Dominant Dreams are better.

    Neck:
    1. Cameo of Terrible Memories - Valor Points


    If this is the only necklace available then it isn't that great.

    Rings:
    1. Signet of Grasping Mouths - Hagara the Stormbinder
    2. Emergency Descent Loop - Valor Points

    only 2 rings available from what I have found. the Signet is better, not that it matters.

    Trinkets:
    Disclaimer - The trinkets this tier seem sort of strange, and is gonna take some more testing to see what is best.
    1. Wrath of Unchaining - Spine of Deathwing
    2a. Starcatcher Compass - Warmaster Blackhorn
    2b. Vial of Shadows - Shared Dragonsoul Boss drop
    3. Kiroptyric Sigil - Valor Points

    These are the 4 I found, I might have missed one, but I couldn't find it if I did.

    Wrath of Unchaining is pretty clearly the best. Femaledwarf gave Vial about 200 more dps then the Compass, but if you have access to both you might want to sim just to be sure. Sigil, as no static agi and an on use trinket is easily the worst, and probably not worth the JP.
    Thank you too everyone who pointed this out to me below. I appreciate it.

    Melee Weapon:
    1. Kiril, Fury of Beasts - Madness of Deathwing
    2. Spire of Coagulated Globules - Yor'sahj the Unsleeping


    Kiril looks awesome, probably the coolest proc effect since DBW. Spire is not terrible and better then the Heroic Ranseur of Hatred.

    1. Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth - Madness of Deathwing
    2. Horrifying Horn Arbalest -Warlord Zon'ozz
    3. Ruinblaster Shotgun - Dragon Soul Trash Drop (BoP)


    Hey! Finally a raiding gun. All 3 Ranged weapons are good. The gun is showing about a 120 dps increase of the Xbow for non-dwarves, and 300 for dwarves.
    Clearly the bow from DW is going to be BiS, but the gun and the xbow are going to be fine until DW dies.



    Synopsis:
    Head: Wyrmstalker's Headguard -t13
    Neck: Cameo of Terrible Memories
    Shoulders: Wymstalker's Spaulders -t13
    Cloak: Heroic Dreadfire Drape
    Chest: Wyrmstalker's Tunic -t13
    Wrists: Bracers of the Hunter-Killer or Heroic Looming Darkness
    Gloves: Sporebeard Gauntlets
    Belt: Belt of the Beloved Companion
    Pants: Wyrmstalker's Legguards -t13
    Boots: Treads of Dominant Dreams
    Ring1: Signet of Grasping Mouths
    Ring2: Emergency Descent Loop
    Trinket1: Wrath of Unchaining
    Trinket2: Vial of Shadows
    Melee: Kiril, Fury of Beasts
    Ranged: Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth

    ------Edit-------
    I updated this 12/8. If there is still any discrepancies let me know.
    Last edited by siegemaster; 2011-12-20 at 05:45 PM.
    Highly skilled sharpshooter, effective against air units. Can gain the Long Rifles upgrade.

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    Even going off of stats, rendered earth are worse than tier, the agility difference outweighs the secondary.

    Also, I wouldn't rule out Vial until we know more about it. If it really does't have any internal, just calculating 15% off of autoshots, and using the avg of it's dmg, I got a little under 400k dmg, making it around 4% of my dmg in a 6 min fight, and that's nothing to shake a stick at when you consider that's excluding the agi benefit.
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    Thats true, I must have missed the agility difference when I was looking through, Thanks.

    The Vial thing is also the main point of disclaimer with trinkets. I was taking a known commodity, haste, over an unknown.
    Highly skilled sharpshooter, effective against air units. Can gain the Long Rifles upgrade.

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    Yeah, I'd pretty much agree with your list. One thing to consider, however, is that a few heroic t12 pieces will at least be better than some of the normal mode t13 stuff....H Rhyo cape springs to mind. I'd say the heroic BiS set is pretty much exactly the same as the normal, with the one exception being in regards to the wrists, as the leatherworking ones can't be upgraded, obviously.

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    I'm going for the Starcatcher Compass and Wrath of Unchaining by the looks of it. 2.9k haste? Yes please.

    Saying the head items sucks pretty hard isn't totally accurate. They're actually quite alright. Naturally I'd prefer haste, but what can you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by siegemaster View Post
    I made this for my guild today, and felt like copying it over. This is the MM BiS for regular Dragon Soul - not the raid finder difficulty as that does not count as real raiding. I might get a Heroic mode together in a while. This is copy pasted from my guild site so if there is anything offensive, I apologize, and it hasn't really been reviewed yet so feel free to tear it apart if you think of something better.
    Can't really see much that I disagree with here. Only thing I will say is that a lot of people are talking about using Heroic Dreadfire Drape from Heroic Rhyolith as a best in slot cloak over the normal mode Dragon Soul cloaks. Might be less secondary stats but surprisingly more agility. You may also want to re format you original post and use the mmo champ database so the tooltip appears on mouseover, rather than having to open a separate tab for every piece. Also might be a nice idea to include where each piece comes from e.g. which boss, leatherworking or valor points. Other than that good job.

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    Thanks! I will look into getting it all smoothed out and purty looking after the holiday. I am just glad to get it peered reviewed right now.
    Highly skilled sharpshooter, effective against air units. Can gain the Long Rifles upgrade.

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    As for cloak, heroic Dreadfire Drape is still BiS in 4.3 unless they add a gem slot to heroic Batwing cloak.

    As of now the comparison of heroic Dreadfire Drape vs. normal Batwing Cloak is 50 AGI vs 60 secondary stats (clear winner)
    and heroic Dreadfire Drape vs. heroic Batwing Cloak is 55 AGI vs 140 secondary stats

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-24 at 11:00 AM ----------

    As for trinkets it seems that there will be no bad choice.

    Wrath of Unchaining is clear winner but then?
    Physical attack on Vial of Shadows SCALES with AP. 20K AP gives you ~36K hit. Not sure if it can crit, though. It seems to have 30 secs ICD. Really not bad if you ask me.
    Not a friend of on use trinket and you think that 90 sec ICD is strange? Well, consider Kiroptyric Sigil timed up with our personal Heroism (4PC set) that has similar ICD - you have 30% extra haste with 2300AGI extra. Or you can time it up wiht Rapid Fire. This trinket doesnt look bad either.
    And I am sure that Starcatcher Compass will be loved by all those haste freaks out there (too bad if it procs together with T13 4pc, though... some of that haste will be wasted)
    Last edited by Deepfriedegg; 2011-11-24 at 10:03 AM.

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    Just cross posting this from the druid cat sticky. Mihir posted more details for the Vial of Shadows.

    Some new info about Vial of Shadows became available, and Mew was updated accordingly.
    - 25sec icd
    - 15% proc chance
    - procs can be parried, dodged, missed and can crit
    - procs scale with attackpower in a 1:1 ratio
    Just thought i'd put this here to clear some things up.

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    As for trinkets, i would go Wrath of Unchaining for every spec, Starcatcher Compass as the second one for MM (lovely haste buff means aimed shot spam) and for BM and SV Vial of Shadows (SV got a lot of AP from all the agi increasing talents, and BM got 10% more just for speccing it, so proc will hit hard, both of those specs arent as haste dependant as MM is)

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    Has anyone compared the T13 gear vs S11 Honor gear? I've done some number-crunching for a couple of other classes and the S11 stuff's actually looking really nice - would be good if someone who's good at this stuff could have a look as well ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kira2169 View Post
    Just cross posting this from the druid cat sticky. Mihir posted more details for the Vial of Shadows.



    Just thought i'd put this here to clear some things up.
    Doesn't seem too bad, but i'm probably gonna roll with the wrath of the unchaining + starcatcher though. Thanks for the info/update.

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    Can some one tell me why Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth ilvl 384 give better DPS, then HC Lavabolt Crossbow in Femaledwarf simulation??
    Last edited by Zlykris; 2011-11-29 at 07:42 AM.

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    Because vishanka is 390 not 384, making it only 1 ilvl lower.

    Yet it has a (10s?) ICD proc for ~7.1k damage before modifiers (it scales with Curse of Elements, SV mastery, and procs like culling the herd to deal massively more than this - i had the LFR version on PTR and was hitting about 9.8k per proc, which is the best part of 1k DPS on it's own), which is significantly better than any flat secondary stats.

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    WTB Surv BiS gear guide. As everyone says that spec is going to own hard (and I like it more).

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    I update this today. Take a look and see if there is anything I missed.
    Highly skilled sharpshooter, effective against air units. Can gain the Long Rifles upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siegemaster View Post
    I update this today. Take a look and see if there is anything I missed.
    Sigil may be best in slot for certain encounters (although I do agree that as a whole it isn't). In particular It would be up for every tendon on spine, every mana void, etc. If your guild is struggling with the random small dps checks on certain encounters it may be best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zlykris View Post
    Can some one tell me why Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth ilvl 384 give better DPS, then HC Lavabolt Crossbow in Femaledwarf simulation??
    DW LFR weapons are ilvl 390

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zlykris View Post
    Can some one tell me why Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth ilvl 384 give better DPS, then HC Lavabolt Crossbow in Femaledwarf simulation??
    If you're simming as survival, the proc is also effected by mastery. Which only increases it more.

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