So I'm torn...

[spleen1015]

Play it. You won't be disappointed.

[WoWGoneBad]

so after bout a 5month vaykay from WoW i decided to log to acct and see some guildies and try the new 5mans.

SAD....just SAD. the new 5mans are at most a 20 min run with a competent grp and since im done with the lore master achive with cata i have no questing to do. I am tiered of the dailies and Northrend just doesnt capture me much anymore so out of the last 6 days i logged maybe 18 hours.

DAMN YOU TOR for letting me into 2 betas now i cant even log my shammy and have a kill fest anymore

see you at early access or on the 20th

WoW i will miss you fondly as an old friend and see you very year or so just to say hey. Republic trooper REPORTING IN SIR!!!!

[nogard64]

By that logic every MMO that has been released since WoW's release should have been better than it. Been plenty of games that had more advanced engines and they still sucked ass in comparison.

well your pointing out the exception, like sure you may have bought a 2012 HD tv and it broke down in a month.

But really in general I find most of the MMO's thats came out lately to be superior in many ways. Save a a few crucial aspects, wow has captured the mmo community and its hard to beat a good population of players, MMO is the first part of what we are talking about after all.

And 2 WOW had Blizzard, which like them or not they were the top PC game development companies. They had the funding and infrastructure to manage and roll out an MMO. Those are 2 critical elements hard to come by.

I've tried most of the other MMOs and they seemed fine in the front end, but yeah they lacked the support and infrastructural in the back end which wow has provided.

Think of an MMO like a restaurant, there is the Front of the HOUSE, and the back of the house, the front is the people and staff who makes everything looks shiny and welcoming, but the back of the house are the folks doing all the grunt work, the cooking, the cleaning, the maintenance, etc etc.

A good MMO will need both.

For me WOW is that old Casino on the Vegas strip, it had its hayday, Sammys been there so has Dean and frank and we had some fun, but now its outdated and it needs to be blown up and replaced with a new one.

[QuiSiLoR]

Gave up on wow a while ago, I got sick of the endless repeated grind and total RNG for loots etc. Add to that it got dumbed down and now lfr with easier bosses than 10man normal ... made me never want to go back.

I know SW will be a grind pvp items, commendations etc but the storyline seemed really cool, space combat stuff that will keep me going for a while anyways

[Gritalian]

it really baffles me and I can't help but sound condescending and mean spirited, I just can't act any other way towards most of the WOW fans.

Its like when you see a child who keeps touching the hot stove repeatedly you have no choice but to label him an idiot. An individual who isn't all there.

How can people not expect SWTOR to be better than wow?

Wow came out in 2005 probably uses technology and graphical engine created in 2002. So how do you expect it to stack up to SWTOR a product using 2011-2012 technology?

Thats like saying OH WOW I can't believe the 2012 3D HDTV CAN BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN my 2002 TV! I'M SO BLOWN AWAY!

Its like saying I can't believe the 2012 COBRA MUSTANG is so much faster than my 2002 mustang! HOW COULD THAT BE EVEN possible? MY MIND IS SO BLOWN!!!

MODS can ban me all they want, there is no other way of saying it but this is to the OP NOOOOO DUUUUHHHHH!!!!!

Well, SWTOR has been in development for years, so saying the graphic engine is 6 years better than WoW is a stretch. 3 years, yeah, but not 6.

Also, I really don't think people play these games solely for graphics. I think a selling point is how immersed one feels in their character and how much escapism there is. Not that I'm saying people suddenly believe they are a Worgen Warlock, though I am sure some do. I'm saying how well a game pulls a person in so that when they have options as to what to do during leisure, that they choose to play _____ mmo.

SWTOR has the story. And I say this as someone who preordered on day 1 and has been anticipating the game for 2 1/2 years: I'm not sure the story will be enough. The end game content looks alright, but for the most part the boss battles look really boring. I feel like I am watching mechanics from a level 10 dungeon in vanilla WoW, when in actuality its a lvl 50 raid boss. So that has been discouraging.

The story will keep me playing on days I'm not raiding in WoW. But I'm not sure the end game content will be enough so that when it comes time to make a decision, do I want to play SWTOR, WoW, another game, go to a movie, go to the beach, etc, that I will choose SWTOR.

I know personally, with the other MMOs I've bought and played, I quit most if not all of them, because at the end of the day I was doing the same thing I could do in WoW, just with less refinement. I know I will definitely be getting a Juggernaut and Assassin to lvl 50. I just can't say right at this moment if once at 50, I will be spending my time raiding in SWTOR.

[Marxman]

I'll be playing TOR because Blizzard has become very uninspired and predictable these last couple years. WoW is stale and boring for a lot of people because of that. I understand it's an MMO, and that gear treadmills are a part of it... but is that really ALL Blizzard can think of?

Here's some new content that's even easier than the content before it, oh and we're nerfing the bejesus out of last tier, OH! and here's some raid finder for the people who can't be bothered to contain their own drool.

Seriously, have you done LFR yet? It's such a joke that they might as well have the gear on vendors in Stormwind for free.

The game is just so uninspired these days. I miss BC, basically. TOR looks like the best parts of BC with the best parts of current WoW. It's accessible without being dumbed down and idiot-proof the way WoW is now. Amazingly, as easy as WoW is, there are still bad players out there. No, I don't understand it either.

[Spraxle]

Gave up on wow a while ago, I got sick of the endless repeated grind and total RNG for loots etc. Add to that it got dumbed down and now lfr with easier bosses than 10man normal ... made me never want to go back.

I can't confirm this, but in my experience the instance loot seemed to be closer to the stuff people in your group needed. Like I never saw any Smuggler or Trooper gear when I ran Esseles on my Counselar (we didn't have a Smuggler or Trooper). Might have been good luck, but I don't think a system that is more inclined to drop items people can equip is to hard.

[Gxeternal]

Yep playing SWTOR, not planning on ever going back to wow, its not even loaded into this computer.
The info that i was reading on TOR was enough to get me to preorder, the beta play time i had was enough to pretty much make me a junkie for it!

[Smitzelplix]

I'm going to give it a month or two, i've played the beta and liked it but the fact remains anything with the star wars name will sell. I want to see how well the game goes after release before buying it and devoting 15 bucks a month to it. People call it another wow killer, but a lot of games have been named that.

The people that throw around the term WoW killer the most are wait for it.... WoW fans. I have seen far more WoW fans bring up the WoW killer term than I have seen SWTOR fans say it. I would say the majority of SWTOR fans here on MMO-C don't want a WoW killer.

[wvx]

yes im playing tor, ive been sick of wow since wrath, i just kept going thinking there would be s ome innovation yet there was none. RIP WOW I miss burning Crusade.

Same here , with the addition that I also miss Vanilla .

[Deleted]

I have been playing wow since pre nerfed bc and mainly one toon. I have loved this game for a long time and never had many complaints till now. It's just not doing it for me anymore. I made the mistake of playing the SW:TOR BETA weekend and lets just say I can't even log in anymore. I have zero motivation to even show up for raids. Im not here to tell you I'm quiting wow because you dont care, I want to know will you play TOR, did you play the beta, and why will you or won't you play TOR?

Sorry if this in the wrong place I'm new to posting

And I don't know how to make a poll.

Well I wont play it. Since game is mainly based around story, and from what I read there's a cinematic after accepting every single quest. I went mad with the cinematics in Wows uldum, and with no much of star wars interest I would just go wtf?
And I checked the pvp and doesn't look much for the world: sniper just look silly, stealth show the texture of the stealtheds naked butt, and well
Since there are factions, the problem will probably occur with faction imbalances on servers and hard to get some decent world pvp going on there.
I can imagine you need to be at least a bit interested in star wars to play it, or just really want some other game to play, or try it out cause it was given to you for christmas =)
Waiting for GW2 instead, but I already quit wow and are keeping myself busy with Rift atm.

[Octaboom]

I have been playing wow since pre nerfed bc and mainly one toon. I have loved this game for a long time and never had many complaints till now. It's just not doing it for me anymore. I made the mistake of playing the SW:TOR BETA weekend and lets just say I can't even log in anymore. I have zero motivation to even show up for raids. Im not here to tell you I'm quiting wow because you dont care, I want to know will you play TOR, did you play the beta, and why will you or won't you play TOR?

Sorry if this in the wrong place I'm new to posting

And I don't know how to make a poll.

I haven't played as long as the OP, and I've created a bajillion alts because I'd get bored with one class after awhile.

I've been bored with WoW for a bit, and have only logged on because it was something to do. Like the OP I find it hard to log on now, especially after doing the Thanksgiving beta of TOR and having a blast doing it. But my boredom with WoW and getting excited about TOR releasing was increased infinitely when the GM and Co-GM of Blades of Arathor on Anetheron basically cleaned out the guild and transferred servers. Those 2 pretty much sucked what enjoyment WoW gave me, and heightened my desire for TOR to release.

The TOR beta was just sweet in my opinion. I like the fact that you have 4 classes per side, with 2 Advanced classes to choose from, and up to an additional 3 sub-ACs to choose from. The customization is just awe inspiring, and the ability to create your own story as you go. TOR has features that Blizz can only dream of for WoW or other titles under it's belt.

See you in TOR.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Im not here to tell you I'm quiting wow because you dont care, I want to know will you play TOR, did you play the beta, and why will you or won't you play TOR?

It is extreme difficult to answer that without railing against others, so I'll preface myself in stating these are only my opinions.

To be honest I'll have a much harder time saying goodbye to Rift should TOR catch my interest. WoW has fouled my palate on so many levels that deleting all my characters and uninstalling the game felt more like a sigh of relief than something I wished I could return to. In my experience (YMMV), WoW's community is the most jaded, burnt out, and caustic out of any online community I have ever seen and is on par with the CoD fanboys. It certainly wasn't always this way...but it has become this way in the last few years. Just as well, I dual-subbed Rift and WoW for a while and I think a lot of people who play WoW are kidding themselves since they claim to be focused on 'end game' but choose to play a game where the end game is absolute junk.

Just a lot of people with their head in the sand I guess, but then again, if people were willing to crawl out from under their rocks and give other things a chance with an open mind they'd find watching paint dry on walls slightly more entertaining than WoW.

I am not expecting anything more from TOR than to have fun...that's it.

WoW in space...WoW clone/re-skin with lightsabers...subjective aspects of the graphics...subjective opinions on end game...I could honestly give a shit less about any of it since I wont care if I am having fun (and I do believe I will).

[Atelniar]

I am going to play TOR, did not get to experience much of the beta tests but I did watch some let's plays from quality sources and got a good view of how the game will play. I looked into the information about game content as I always do before purchasing something and the companion system, plot driven "dungeons", less bursty PvP without auto attacks and light side/dark side choices really got me interested. RPG elements in an MMO for once? Yay!

I have the same problem as the threadmaker does. Motivation for playing WoW. For me it is mainly because of a lack of time to play along my friends who are online on specific times when I can not be online, so I end up doing dungeons and PvP alone, which is really boring in randoms and I don't make new friends that way. Asking for a group in general chat is not really the best option on my server either. I ended up ignoring WoW for a while and realized just how little the game held for me. I leveled an alt and enjoyed the Cata content, but I don't want to reroll alts to enjoy my time online. I want to play with others. So I decided to purchase TOR and wait until my exams are off my shoulder to play it properly. Its launch fits perfectly and hopefully it will be something fresh. I am also a massive geek for the old timeline of Star Wars, which is a huge motivation to try the game.

My advice: don't stick to something that you are tired of when it comes to gaming. It's not your girlfriend who is acting strange or a friend who is being a retard, it's just a game. If it is rubbing the wrong vibes it is time to try something else for a while at least.

[zaoly]

More importantly, trying to cater to tens of millions of subscribers ruins a game and waters it down so that it can appeal to the lowest common denominator.

You are saying that given the same situation where Swtor grows to have ten millions subscribers, Bioware will choose not to water down and try to appeal to the largest portion of their audience?

[Shamburger]

You are saying that given the same situation where Swtor grows to have ten millions subscribers, Bioware will choose not to water down and try to appeal to the largest portion of their audience?

One can only hope!

[Atelniar]

You are saying that given the same situation where Swtor grows to have ten millions subscribers, Bioware will choose not to water down and try to appeal to the largest portion of their audience?

That will probably depend on what draw them in to begin with. TOR is different from WoW because of the RPG element in story telling. So the question becomes what they will sacrifice. In WoW's case they spend a lot of time with silly little pets of no use, mounts you have to pay rl money for to pick into our pockets as well as recycling old content quite a bit. They also addressed the whining abouth aving to group with others on your servers and then rewarded players heavily for solo queuing in an moo cross servers. Basically making it a must for effective leveling and to access content easily as the normal approach became a lot rarer. This rendered server communities to devolve instead of new relations being made among new players. The only way people make a proper name for themselves as good team players is in raiding content, PvP as Rated BG's and arena. The people leveling up hardly ever meet a new friend when they level anymore.

That's catering to accessability in terms of time efficientcy and at the cost of a healthy server mentality. Right now they have basically made the point of having servers mute in the long run. The world is slowly becoming far too instanced. TOR will probably walk in this trap too. Making alot of content instanced and immersion breaking at times.

[Cerebrate]

I tend to need breaks from WoW after playing for awhile, but this time seems especially bad. I also have no desire to even log in. Nothing about this patch interests me. There just doesn't feel like a good reason to try and gear up anymore. I guess a lot happened to contribute to it, but I am definitely leaving WoW for SWToR. As a matter of fact any game I've tried playing since beta just feels like I'm killing time until SWToR. It makes it hard to play anything. Funny thing is I had no plans of playing it until I tried the beta weekend. Ended up preordering it right away.

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You are saying that given the same situation where Swtor grows to have ten millions subscribers, Bioware will choose not to water down and try to appeal to the largest portion of their audience?

I certainly understand wanting to appeal to the largest audience. But you have to think if they got to 10 million subscribers by following one model, how does it make sense to completely change it.

[Gahlo]

I'm playing TOR. I want something to do other than endgame, controlling the JC market on my server can only do so much. I tried leveling an alt and reading all the quest text to try and immerse myself. I got to maybe 20? I forget when first mounts are.

I want to feel a connection to my faction. I want story. I don't want to feel like everything I do is a grind. I don't want to think of getting into PVP for the first time in an MMO to feel like something I'm super ridiculously behind the ball on because I have no gear. I'm tired of roided out mages and rogues. I'm tired of it being "just a setback." I want my galaxy far far away. I want my blaster, lightsabers, spaceships. I want my sci-fi. I don't want to need the pro UI and assorted half dozen add-ons which are now almost required to do anything. I don't want to have to look at a meter ever again.

[Hurko]

I have been playing wow since pre nerfed bc and mainly one toon. I have loved this game for a long time and never had many complaints till now. It's just not doing it for me anymore. I made the mistake of playing the SW:TOR BETA weekend and lets just say I can't even log in anymore. I have zero motivation to even show up for raids. Im not here to tell you I'm quiting wow because you dont care, I want to know will you play TOR, did you play the beta, and why will you or won't you play TOR?

Sorry if this in the wrong place I'm new to posting

And I don't know how to make a poll.

I had the same feelings about 4 months ago. I figured "let me just unsubscribe from wow, and stop logging in, and see if I miss it".

I didn't. Fun game, I got a lot of play time out of it, I made a ton of online pals, but after 6 years: its over. I will try Blizzard's next MMO, though, I can tell you that 100%.