Sargeras vs Old Gods

[Deadite]

Burning Legion has suffered nothing but setbacks for the last 20 years, but we've no clue how badly they're hurting. I imagine fairly badly if 1/3rd of their triumvirate is dead and Illidan was giving them a run for their money in Outlands.

Yeah on Azeroth. This planet has impervious plot armour. Meanwhile in the rest of the universe the Legion are annihilating planet after planet and killing billions. They are committing genocide on the galactic scale. They are undoing the Titans work one civilization , one planet at a time. What are the Old Gods doing again? Oh yeah they are still trying to break out of prison.

[Aquamonkey]

Yeah on Azeroth. This planet has impervious plot armour. Meanwhile in the rest of the universe the Legion are annihilating planet after planet and killing billions. They are committing genocide on the galactic scale. They are undoing the Titans work one civilization , one planet at a time. What are the Old Gods doing again? Oh yeah they are still trying to break out of prison.

The Old Gods are also going across the universe conquering planets.

[Skorpionss]

The Old Gods are also going across the universe conquering planets.

yeah, no... they may be on other planets but they aren't doing shit... at least not yet... we've only been told that they exist outside of azeroth too so far... that's all we know about them... For all we know the Azerothian ones could be the strongest ones, while the ones in outer space are just toddlers.

[Aquamonkey]

yeah, no... they may be on other planets but they aren't doing shit... at least not yet... we've only been told that they exist outside of azeroth too so far... that's all we know about them... For all we know the Azerothian ones could be the strongest ones, while the ones in outer space are just toddlers.

Harbinger Skyriss:
"It is a small matter to control the mind of the weak... for I bear allegiance to powers untouched by time, unmoved by fate. No force on this world or beyond harbors the strength to bend our knee... not even the mighty Legion!"
"We span the universe, as countless as the stars!"

A'dal:
"One in particular, a servant of the Old Gods known as Harbinger Skyriss, seeks to usher in his masters' vision of conquering all of the worlds in the universe."
"Once again you have proven your mettle. Had Harbinger Skyriss broken free, countless thousands would have perished in the ensuing conflict, just as happened with another servant of the Old Gods, Skeram, on your world of Azeroth."

[Kellorion]

Sargaeras, because of the 4 confirmed Old Gods, we have killed 2 ourselves.

[Skorpionss]

countless thousands? really? what is that compared to billions ? we only have one guy's saying who ofc would say anything to make his masters seem all powerful, and A'dal who hasn't left Shattrath since god knows when... so what does he really know?

Like I said we know nothing from the old gods themselves, only what their followers say... Untill we actually see these space old gods I'll remain skeptical to their numbers and powers.

[Yarathir]

Old Gods and Titans are both one side of the same coin. Old Gods represent Chaos, and Titans represent Order.


Sargeras is one Titan, albeit a very strong and empowered Titan.


Now I presume "Old Gods" means all 5 of the Azerothian ones, or the ones that remain, which makes 4.


4 Old Gods at full power > 1 Titan (and thus Sargeras), easily. Sargeras may be empowered, but there's no way he is 4 times a Titan in terms of power.


But the Old Gods aren't at full power, so it's not as easy to predict as it seems. Secondly, we don't know if the Old Gods would work together. It has been shown that they can, if they really need to, though.



So to go with the hypothetical situation: 4 fully powered Old Gods vs Sargeras = Sargeras is dead meat.

[Rye25]

Lalalalalala

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Old gods, number is overwhelming, except if sargeras (wherever he is) could get some "new friends"

[Skorpionss]

Old gods, number is overwhelming, except if sargeras (wherever he is) could get some "new friends"

what numbers? there are 4 old gods left on azeroth that we know of... they are all weakened and they have like no army to speak of. Sargeras doesn't even need to show up to defeat them... if it weren't for us, the heroes, Azeroth would be legion planet number 351.094.533.145.

[Aquamonkey]

cwe only have one guy's saying who ofc would say anything to make his masters seem all powerful

True.

A'dal who hasn't left Shattrath since god knows when... so what does he really know?

A'dal is only the commander of a dimension-traveling fortress that went around imprisoning creatures from all corners of the universe. Yea, what does he know?

BTW. They've only been stuck in Outland for at most 8 years at that point. But the Naaru are described as arriving "recently."

[Skorpionss]

Anyway we can only judge on what we know... assumptions won't lead anywhere... and what we currently know is that there are 4 old gods on azeroth and that they are weakened and have almost no armies that we know of. In their currents tate Sargeras wouldn't even find them a worthy challenge enough to deal with them personally... he'd just send his endless army through a portal that he opens...

If he really cared enough about it ofc...

[Aquamonkey]

Anyway we can only judge on what we know... assumptions won't lead anywhere... and what we currently know is that there are 4 old gods on azeroth and that they are weakened and have almost no armies that we know of. In their currents tate Sargeras wouldn't even find them a worthy challenge enough to deal with them personally... he'd just send his endless army through a portal that he opens...

If he really cared enough about it ofc...

What assumptions?

Old Gods are interdimensional beings more numerous than the ones on Azeroth:

There are more Old Gods than just the ones trapped on Azeroth. It takes a lot for them to become manifested on a physical plane, however; see the quest line in Shadowmoon Valley that ends with "Thwart the Dark Conclave" for more information. (Source)

They plan to conquer the universe:
"One in particular, a servant of the Old Gods known as Harbinger Skyriss, seeks to usher in his masters' vision of conquering all of the worlds in the universe."

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Sageras, because the evil guys are always more powerful then the less evil guys.

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Sargeras, because he is the main antagonist of the game, it's that simple. I'd say Kil'Jaeden would win a 1on1 fight with an Old God too tbh, probably Deathwing would have pwned an Old God too, if he hadn't been their mind controlled slave. The Old Gods' strength stems from corrupting stronger beings (weaker too) into doing their bidding, not from raw power. And no the Old gods aren't able to corrupt any high ranking member of the Legion, why? Because that would be utterly stupid and will never happen and how can you corrupt what is already corrupt. Also people gotta stop saying that the Old God are outside the cycle of life and death and whatnot blabla, bullshit, they can die and many did. They are a race of parasitic beings and that's it.

[BatteredRose]

Old Gods and Titans are both one side of the same coin. Old Gods represent Chaos, and Titans represent Order.


Sargeras is one Titan, albeit a very strong and empowered Titan.


Now I presume "Old Gods" means all 5 of the Azerothian ones, or the ones that remain, which makes 4.


4 Old Gods at full power > 1 Titan (and thus Sargeras), easily. Sargeras may be empowered, but there's no way he is 4 times a Titan in terms of power.


But the Old Gods aren't at full power, so it's not as easy to predict as it seems. Secondly, we don't know if the Old Gods would work together. It has been shown that they can, if they really need to, though.



So to go with the hypothetical situation: 4 fully powered Old Gods vs Sargeras = Sargeras is dead meat.

There is zero evidence to support your claim that the Old Gods would defeat Sargeras, whereas there is mounting evidence that Sargeras is the strongest known being in the Warcraft universe.

[Deleted]

There is zero evidence to support your claim that the Old Gods would defeat Sargeras, whereas there is mounting evidence that Sargeras is the strongest known being in the Warcraft universe.

Yarathir is an Old God fan, she believes what she wants to believe, that's why threads like this one are utterly redundant imo, it always ends in the same fan vs fan speculation flexing contest.

[Aquamonkey]

There is zero evidence to support your claim that the Old Gods would defeat Sargeras, whereas there is mounting evidence that Sargeras is the strongest known being in the Warcraft universe.

The Old Gods certainly thought they could once they were free of their prisons.

They felt the nearness of their freedom quickly approaching. How ironic that it would be one who had once been one of the hated Titans who would prove the instrument of their release! It had taken the combined might of many Titans to even force them into captivity; after their triumphant return, there would be little effort needed to eradicate this single, arrogant creature and turn his warriors to serving their cause.
--The Sundering

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The Old Gods certainly thought they could once they were free of their prisons.

They felt the nearness of their freedom quickly approaching. How ironic that it would be one who had once been one of the hated Titans who would prove the instrument of their release! It had taken the combined might of many Titans to even force them into captivity; after their triumphant return, there would be little effort needed to eradicate this single, arrogant creature and turn his warriors to serving their cause.
--The Sundering

but that's the point, they thought, just like Krasus thought the Old gods could defeat Sargeras, I said this many times before but I'll say it again Knaak is an awful author and expect all the shit he spewed to get retconned anyway. Metzen said many times that Sargeras is the ultimate badass bad guy and they have no idea how he could even fit into a raid simply due to the fact that he is so ridicilously strong compared to everything else in the warcraft universe, so there is no way a few squids could defeat him. No way.

[Huntermyth]

for some reason i chose old god forces.

this is not what i think though.