15 year old Stabs a 16 year old bully to Death and will face no penalties

[Providence]

You're right. The 16 year old boy who tormented a 15 year old boy for years with emotional and physical abuse was rightly slain in self defense. Just like a girl who was being raped would be justified in shanking the hell out of her attacker.

did you really just compare rape to school yard bullying? that is just shameful.

[Eroginous]

stop with the horseshit

the friends NEVER did anything physical to him, they talked shit a few times and got off the bus with 10 others to WATCH THE FIGHT. witnesses said that it was a 1v1 fight the whole time and never looked like anyone else even wanted to be involved, even said both fighters were SCARED and DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT but they were pressured into it.

it's illegal to take any type of knife to school.

12 times. enough said, 12 decisions to put a knife into the body of someone who called you names a few times, hit you with a spit wad and hit you during a fight

when you stab someone, your intent really means nothing, the situation that started it and the result matter. he killed the guy who hit him once, called him a mean name a few times and was friends with someone who hit him with a spitwad

he was never vastly outnumbered, they clearly state it was 1v1 and his friends NEVER factored into anything

So let's say you were confronted by a guy and 10 of his friends. No one around to supervise the fight and make sure you didn't get completely trampled. Let's say you actually gained the upper hand on the other guy. Do you honestly think for a minute that the dude's 10 friends would just sit there and watch? Especially knowing that they want the fight to happen more than you or the other guy?

There's no reason for you to assume they are going to let you kick the guys ass. There's no reason to assume that they are going to jump in but only kick your ass slightly, while keeping your overall health and well being alive. Unfortunately, stuff like this happens every day, and more often than not, the victim is usually brutalized (sometimes to death) by the entire group of people, no matter how well he did against the one guy.

When it comes down to it, the situation could have easily ended up with him dead or in the hospital at the hands of the 11 other people.

Stabbing someone at all is trying to kill them, when you stick a knife in someone else, what do you think is going to happen?

Kids these days jump straight to either killing themselves or killing someone else, they need some thicker skin.

This isn't the movies or video games where if you stab someone once they keel over dead. Depending on the size of the weapon used, the location of the stab wound, and the number of stab wounds inflicted, people can survive a stab wound rather easily.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ES-attack.html

Assuming that someone intends to kill someone else when they stab them is pretty silly. Especially when it's with a 2-3 inch pocket knife. If the kid had pulled out a 12 inch kitchen knife then stabbed the bully in the head, then yeah, I'd agree that he was trying to kill him.

The other part of it is that 'thick skin' doesn't help you when the people calling you names decide to step it up a notch and provoke an obviously unfair fight.

If the one boy had met the other boy alone some place and challenged him to a fist fight, that would be one thing. But anyone who's somewhat intelligent would agree that bringing 10 of your friends to a fight is never going to end in a 1v1.

[StationaryHawk]

Coincidentally, I just finished reading "The Hunger Games". We're now one step closer to that future.

[nbm02ss]

OK, looks like couple of things has to be cleared up here:

First of all, before anyone takes voice in this discussion should read http://media.naplesnews.com/media/st...1230150108.pdf Which is the paper from the final hearing, summarising everything.
If you read the paragraph "Findings of Fact" you will probably understand why Jorge had knife with him and why Dylan had something - anything, coming his way.

Now, for those who have never been in a fight, [a fight, not just shoving each other like pansies] you need to realise that once you are in a situation of danger, your natural reaction is to break all boundries and fight for your life. Which is why 11 stabbings mean absolute jack all. In a fight you don't really have a situation of "umph, maybe i shouldnt have stabbed him 11 times, 2 times is just as good". No - you are in danger and your subconciousnes tells you one thing - defend yourself by any means.

That kid tried to avoid confrontation by exiting at an earlier bus stop, after which he was followed by the bully and his buddies.
The bully started the fight, the defendant had nowhere to run, so tell me forums - do you really think you are surprised by the outcome?

Oh and the knife, why he could've had it ? Deterrant.
In his case I'd argue that he told his friends about the knife to spread the word, so that the bullies get the message loud and clear.

I will agree with this however:

The kid should be punished, not by jail, not by anything that would make him seem guilty - so that he knows that a knife is not an answer to all his problems.

P.S.
If you wish to troll the topic, go ahead, just please make it at least in intelligent way.

Awesome, thanks for the court documents. That link should be added to the OP if this topic remains open.

[Spritely]

No matter what you think of the situation, the law there says it was okay. Don't like it? Go off all you want against the law.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this though. I think he was fully justified in defending himself, but past that I have a hard time justifying the actual killing. That said, he was a small 14 year old kid who had been tormented daily for an extended period. I think it's pretty clear that he fully snapped. No person reacts well when trapped in a situation that will cause you bodily harm. That's pretty much exactly the situation that law protects.

[Providence]

In his mind he was in clear danger he tried several times to avoid the situation. The situation came to him and in fear he reacted. Did the bully deserve to die. In my opinion no he didn't. Was the kid in the right. Yes

It's like poking a small animal and then getting pissed when it attacks you.

Dogs do this all the time. They are abused, poked and yelled at and when they feel cornered and threaten will attack. No one EVER goes well the dog should have just ran away(which the kid did try to do) no one EVER blames the dog

in my mind i'm in clear danger, that doesn't absolve me the right to chop someones head off.

[semaphore]

You're out of line

Laize is spot on. What you were doing is exactly like blaming a rape victim.

This is about the murder of a 16 year old boy

No, this is about the circumstances surronding the death of a 16 year old boy. It's not murder and you would know this if you paid attention in the dozens of times that the word murder has been explained to you. But of course facts are inconvenient for hyperboles and strawmans.

[NineSpine]

It's a pocket knife. It's still a threat. What I'm saying is this kid shows poor judgment and shouldn't have gone out of that courtroom free of charges. That kid's situation has so many problems with it when it came to his judgment. Yes he should defend himself but really to the point he needed a weapon?

Tomorrow you are walking down the road. A large group of people attack you and you are being punched in the head. Do you think "Well, shit, I don't want to hurt anyone, so I'd better not use my knife".

[Suikoden]

Oh you and your imaginary world where kids don't take knives to school. The kid had the knife to defend himself from someone who threatened to (and then DID) attack him. It's not like he pulled the knife at school to shank some kid in the bathroom.

In fact as a kid I DID have a carpentry knife at school once.... And got in huge trouble over it even though I had no intention of being violent with it. Who is to say he wouldn't of pulled that out on someone at school if he was being bullied? Zero Tolerance is and always shall be a very shitty policy.

[Aerisot]

I don't even, what?

How can a person kill somebody with being punished, i mean yes it is a bully, but a bully can't be that bad that he deserves death!

Without punishment?

His entire life will be punishment now, he will have to leave his school, his family will have to leave there jobs and move elsewhere, he will always have it on his conscience, any backgrounds checks will show what he has done....his life is pretty much over already, this kid will commit suicide, count on that.

[huey]

do i really have to provide a link or should the fact that kids aren't actively getting arrested for beating up other kids be enough for you?

Yes please provide a link I would love to see it.

If you look at the florida statutes and constitution you would see there's a clear definition of assault and battery. There's no exemption for kids under 18. There's not exemption when it happens on school property.

I'd like to know where you found those exemptions or if you're just making things up.

[Shadylol]

Also, to be considered murder, there would have to be a human victim. Unless you think that the condition of "human" can be extended to bullies, which is debatable at best.

"This just in

16 year old boys wielding Cell Phones and Facebook have breached the premises — use whatever force necessary to remove them, as they are not human"

Seriously, where do you get off saying that?

[Dacien]

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