One world government

[Deleted]

As for China, yeah.. They're doing ok, but their communism is bound to fail sooner or later.

Myeah; they have one of the strongest economies in the world; but 40% of their population live in Poverty.

Except for the fact that Communism has worked for China for thousands of years.

... Really; I mean. Wow. Just no. China has only been a Communist country since about 1949. Before that it was mainly Imperialist.

[WinninOne]

Why do people fear this so much?

I know its a conspiracy so to speak. But shouldn't the world be uniting not forcing itself apart. Scotland wanting independance is completely stupid and is going back not forward.

What are your thoughts?

No, even in the US I favor a localized government to a central one. Going above the federal level to a global government makes my hands shake. I believe people are best able to rule themselves. The more removed a decision maker is from the people they lead, the more likely they are to neglect their interests. I'm pretty sure people in favor of a globally unified government are actually trying to figure out how to loot the treasuries of the wealthier nations or they're big fans of Star Trek.

[Lumusnoctis]

You would think.

Except for the fact that Communism has worked for China for thousands of years.

Capitalism has worked in the USA for what, 300 years? And now it is collapsing.


I am from England, and i do not like the Communist way of life, but you can not deny that it is arguably the most enduring system on the planet.


I am sorry to burst your bubble on that one, but Hollywoods depiction of libertarian life is not what happens in reality. Far from it.

I'm not saying the western political system is ideal (far from it). Any system will collapse sooner or later. And yes, in China communism has worked for quite some time, but that as well will fail (can't tell you when of course). Truth is there is no ideal society because any system has its flaws and people will eventually rise up against them.

For anyone interested in how a more global democracy could aid in terms of a better balance between economy, policitics and equal (moral) rights: I can recommend doing some research on Jürgen Habermas and John Rawls (maybe Thomas Pogge too, for a more global approach). They're two modern day philosophers and I think they're ideas are pretty good (although as with philosophers, they think about a better society but don't really give a way to achieve their goals)

[Clockworks]

As a person living in the EU and seeing what is starting to unfold here, a single goverment is my greatest fear.

As long diffrent ideals exists there will never be a true union.

Also as long we have many religons who al think they are the one thats the right one (religon what a joke i know) the one goverment will not be possible.
Only if they brainwash us all they will have a chance, and yes i know thay trying yo do so part by part as i write this.

If the day comes when a one goverment truly is in the making, i will take up arms and pay brussel a visit.

[Lumusnoctis]

As a person living in the EU and seeing what is starting to unfold here, a single goverment is my greatest fear.

As long diffrent ideals exists there will never be a true union.

Also as long we have many religons who al think they are the one thats the right one (religon what a joke i know) the one goverment will not be possible.
Only if they brainwash us all they will have a chance, and yes i know thay trying yo do so part by part as i write this.

If the day comes when a one goverment truly is in the making, i will take up arms and pay brussel a visit.

You seem to forget that there are many different ideals as well in every modern (pluralist) society. Would it be a much bigger step to have a government at a european level? I think it can be done. Worldwide however there is the arab world, asia etc.. Compared to a european government a worldwide government would be much harder.

I also believe that not all the power should go to the worldwide government. Rather it would be better to spread power over different levels. (multi-level-governance)
This allows for nations to controll themselves but also coöperate with other nations under a greater democratic flag. What UN etc does now is a step in the right direction, but they have no real power.

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The only way China politics will fail is if they get nationally invaded tbh.

A strong, strict, centralised Government will always survive because of how much it leeches from its people.

Chinese people uprooting the Chinese Government is an impossibility imho.



Compare that with the USA Government where multi-billion dollar co-orporations are able to strongly influence political ideaology because of the way they finance the USA Government.

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I would also strongly want to join a revolution and take to arms to uproot a single Government that has Global Fiscal Policy.

Im with ya.

Yeah maybe you're right. China has so much power and supression over it's people that revolution would be very hard. Maybe not impossible, but very hard.

[Senathor]

If the world was perfect maybe. But humanity is selfish & evil, wouldn't work in this world.

[Lumusnoctis]

What do you think Brussels is?


Every EU person's taxes firstly goes to fund their own Government, who then uses some of this to fund the EU.


This is one of the many reason why so many people oppose the centralised EU. They watch their tax money flow right out of their own country, straight into the fat cats of the EU (who subsequently spent 280 million euros of it building Government buildings).

I actually live in Belgium And yes, the current system is very flawed.

[WinninOne]

Well, ye.

But Imperialist Communism kinda come hand in hand.

Imperialsim takes by force with centralised control, Communism aims to distribute this with centralised control.

My point was, that the Chinese political system has endured with success longer than the capitalist political system of the USA.

Oh my goodness this post and your previous one are not correct. China has had more governments than I have socks. It's history is riddled with hostile takeovers and internal wars. It has been an almost non stop power struggle. Frankly, the reason China is enjoying success recently is because they have begun adopting capitalist ideals for their economy. The country is still horribly oppressive and for a significant part of it's populace day to day life has changed little from 100 years ago.

Also, trying to say that Communism and Imperialism are two sides of the same coin is not a good idea. The two have very little in common beyond having a central capital that makes most decisions of state.

And by the way, Capitalism is a form of economic policy and not a type of government. If you want to compare Capitalism to something it will have to be Socialism or whatever.

[Airwaves]

Why do people fear this so much?

I know its a conspiracy so to speak. But shouldn't the world be uniting not forcing itself apart. Scotland wanting independance is completely stupid and is going back not forward.

What are your thoughts?

The only way there is going to be one government is if there was no religions. You religious people do not believe this but that is the truth. Religion is behind 90% of the wars in the world and billions of people have died because of it. Without it most people wouldn't have reason to hate each other. People that hate on me for this post are an example of this.

[Deleted]

the idea of a "world government" is by far an idealistic utopia
mankind has gone a long way from jumping from tree to tree.. and has to go an even longer to be able to work together as a whole..

sure, you can say: we can use the form of democracy the ancient greeks used to have (partly, this is even used in switzerland "volksabtimmung" -> national referendum)
yet...there are also some fragments of the philosophy classes i had taken back in school i remember:
the "volonté générale" or "general will" by rousseau..
"general will" != "will of the majority"
and that is the main problem here.. you cannot let "everyone" have the same power in a society.
dont take me wrong, it would be awesome - sure, yet....well...
how should i put it..?
"there are stupid people", yknow? and there are people that just dont have the right education. there are people that cannot see the situation of a country/the world as a whole.. there are... and so on..
actually, the "general will", is what politicians are supposed to execute.. but well, heh
the bigger the system is, the more difficult it is to handle it.

ps: there was once a sneak preview screening at my favo. cinema - watched 8th wonderland... (interesting message...though horrible actors)
a movie which describes a community created on the internet everyone could join. these people act according to the decisions the chatpartners on the site have taken... which can be really unorthodox (i was about to write anarchistic, but..though for the people on the outside it may seem so, these decisions were taken by the "majority" of the community.. well)
in some way, the movie glorifies the idea of getting everyone involved equally in political decisions - yet, a lot of stuff is highly questionable in ethics, if you ask me..
which leads me again to the point where i dont think "one world government" would never work out

[Airwaves]

And for that reason, it is not flawed in the slightest.

You just explained why it is flawed then said it isn't flawed? plz tell me i just didn't read you being sarcastic.

[Bakis]

We are a few billion people in almsot 200 countries with a few major religions, a few thousand different cultures and habbits.
It is just like communism, World Government is a nice idea but it is doomed to fail.

[Airwaves]

We are a few billion people in almsot 200 countries with a few major religions, a few thousand different cultures and habbits.
It is just like communism, World Government is a nice idea but it is doomed to fail.

If we don't kill ourselves first it may happen... in a few thousand years.

[GhostShaman]

Why are you so greedy? All men should be treated the same and all have the same.

So you prefer living in communism?

[Bakis]

If we don't kill ourselves first it may happen... in a few thousand years.

Only reason I could possible see as getting the entire planet velded together for a common purpose is when we fuck up the planet so bad that it becomes obvious that we need to drop everything else and focus on that.
Or, that it goes so far that the planet wont be habbitable and we need to migrate

[Rukus]

Perhaps something like the Galatic Republic in Star Wars where each member of the senate represented a planet or system? I could see ONE republic on earth made up of several representatives from each "country" kinda like Star Wars' republic.

[Deleted]

If mankind extincts it's by some cosmic event (nothing supernatural), but not because of mankind itself.

[Venziir]

Go read "1984" by Orwell.

[Airwaves]

Perhaps something like the Galatic Republic in Star Wars where each member of the senate represented a planet or system? I could see ONE republic on earth made up of several representatives from each "country" kinda like Star Wars' republic.

You are talking about star wars, a MOVIE. The writers can make who ever they want to go to war with each other. Who would love each other. Real Life does not and never will work like star wars.

[Deleted]

Go read "1984" by Orwell.

They had three world governments!!11