U.S. Presidential race - Democrat Discussion

[Wells]

IDK, Obama said himself on the Daily Show that the handling wasn't ideal.

[Maelstrom51]

- It took Obama 7 days to visit Joplin, Missouri after a tornado wiped out half of the town and killed 120 people.
- It took Obama fourteen days to visit the gulf coast after the BP oil spill.
- Obama declined to visit Tennessee after the historic 2010 1000 year floods.
- Obama ignored the Texas wildfires when over 400 homes were lost.
- And, of course, Obama ignored the calls for help from Benghazi.

But it took Obama only one day to visit the hurricane damage on the east coast. Then again, there’s an election next week.

Discuss...

Obama had campaigning that was planned, then cancelled. So he had some time off. For the other events he probably didn't have time off.

[Vyxn]

I will say, again, that I don't think the situation in Benghazi was necessarily handled 100% perfectly.

I will also say, again, that Obama's reticence on the issue seems extremely odd.

I will also say, again, that insinuating or outright saying that Obama cold-heartedly left those people to die, when there is mountains of evidence to the contrary, is pants-on-head retarded.

what mountain of evidence? the only thing you have is a group that showed up after the fight was over to escort the survivers and gather up the dead. what else do you have
We had a drone that could have been used we had an AC130 gunship circling over head we had airforce fighters less then an hour flight away and none of that was used

This is a quote from a retired delta force member

"Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!"

There had to be something that was readably available to engage other wise Tyrone Woods would not have risked his life to paint the target with the Lazar its just common since that you seam to lack to not understand that

[Chrysia]

what mountain of evidence? the only thing you have is a group that showed up after the fight was over to escort the survivers and gather up the dead. what else do you have
We had a drone that could have been used we had an AC130 gunship circling over head we had airforce fighters less then an hour flight away and none of that was used

This is a quote from a retired delta force member

"Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!"

There had to be something that was readably available to engage other wise Tyrone Woods would not have risked his life to paint the target with the Lazar its just common since that you seam to lack to not understand that

Again, the team did not show up after the fighting was over. They were on the ground four hours in, the fighting was over when they extracted the people from the safe house.

And again, despite that testimony, no actual news source quotes any evidence of an AC-130 ever leaving any airbase.

The team from Tripoli was deployed 2 hours into the confrontation, the exact same time we received intel that suggested that the attack was more than a random act of violence.

[Vizardlorde]

Why is koolaid linked to liberals? Does hating koolaid automatically make me not liberal?

[Chrysia]

Why is koolaid linked to liberals? Does hating koolaid automatically make me not liberal?

Somebody earlier linked the explanation, but it's not linked specifically to liberals. "Drinking the Kool-Aid" references a cult that committed mass-suicide by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid because they believed the end-times were on us, and by taking their own lives they'd ascend.

The phrase has come to mean accepting things at face value as long as they are presented from sources you are biased towards.

[Stommped]

I don't think anyone expects that a single post will change anyone's mind if they've already settled on bigoted anti-gay positions as the appropriate set of policies for the government. They should, however, be confronted with reality of their positions.

Everyone who disagrees with your personal views is bigoted, anti-gay? Check.

[Wells]

Everyone who disagrees with your personal views is bigoted, anti-gay? Check.

If the issue is gay marriage? You either support equal rights or you don't.

[Grizzly Willy]

Personally I would rather questions be asked about who did it, what leads they have, what they're doing.

Since, you know, they're the ones ultimately responsible for the deaths, not Obama.

And I don't disagree. I just think that it's to be expected that people are going to ask about what happened on our end.

[Chrysia]

And I don't disagree. I just think that it's to be expected that people are going to ask about what happened on our end.

And I'm fine with this, as long as they aren't actively painting Obama as some merciless, cold-blooded monster hungering for American blood while they're at it.

[Masark]

But it took Obama only one day to visit the hurricane damage on the east coast. Then again, there’s an election next week.

Do you know where Washington DC is?

I'll give you a hint : Obama can currently visit hurricane damage by walking out his front door.

He doesn't exactly need a major excursion.

[bamf775]

If the issue is gay marriage? You either support equal rights or you don't.

If the issue is abortion, then its fair to say you either support murder or you don't.

[Grizzly Willy]

If the issue is abortion, then its fair to say you either support murder or you don't.

So you don't support equal rights?

[Chrysia]

If the issue is abortion, then its fair to say you either support murder or you don't.

I define murder as the ending of the life of a human being, and do not describe early zygotes and embryonic clusters as human beings as yet.

[bamf775]

I define murder as the ending of the life of a human being, and do not describe early zygotes and embryonic clusters as human beings as yet.

Life starts at conception. nice try though. By the way... you can get an abortion farther along than how you described it. You can get an abortion at 36 weeks in some states. Its disgusting.

[obdigore]

Life starts at conception. nice try though. By the way... you can get an abortion farther along than how you described it. You can get an abortion at 36 weeks in some states. Its disgusting.

You can't have personhood if you aren't a person. You don't have the rights sentient beings get if you aren't sentient. We shouldn't make laws on uneducated opinion, but upon provable facts.

[Chrysia]

Life starts at conception. nice try though. By the way... you can get an abortion farther along than how you described it. You can get an abortion at 36 weeks in some states. Its disgusting.

I'm pretty sure federal law prevents the 36 weeks thing. Second trimester abortions are the farthest along I've ever heard of, and those are only if the mother's life is in danger.

[Wells]

Life starts at conception. nice try though. By the way... you can get an abortion farther along than how you described it. You can get an abortion at 36 weeks in some states. Its disgusting.

3/10 for the red herring.

Gay marriage is an issue of equality before the law. You either support treating gay people with the same legal rights as heterosexuals or you don't.

[Masark]

You can get an abortion at 36 weeks in some states. Its disgusting.

Care to name these states?

Or better, provide an example of such a procedure being performed for reasons other than gross fetal deformities?

[Chrysia]

Anyone else getting tired of this? I keep seeing it happen. Poster makes ridiculous claim, is asked for any form of source whatsoever, vanishes, comes back next day to throw a ridiculous claim into the next conversation.