1. #20781
    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    Why is someone even pretending that techies is a good hero? He has shitty stats, his abilities are now actually just terrible, his ability to farm or splitpush is mediocre compared to just about anyone and literally his only benefit is that he can avoid losing his single-kill streak by suiciding.

    I mean, before he could require 4-5 mines to kill someone. That was already a significant commitment for techies to put down that many mines in exactly one spot and pray someone would walk onto it. Now he has to use twice as many, and a sentry completely invalidates .it entirely because mines no longer explode when killed, and even give some gold I think?

    Techies got destroyed.
    Many heroes have shitty stats lol. Uh techies is not a farming or push hero, hes a defensive hero. There is a toxic attitude among dota players that make them dub any hero that gets a nerf as destroyed or unplayable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryZebra View Post
    But unlike a good specific hero counter to a specific problem, say Lion's instant CC to deal with Storm Spirit, Techies is countered by simply taking an alternate route. An option that is availible to absolutely everyone. You cannot mine every choke point and every blind spot on the map, and there will always be a way to destroy your minefields before they detonate if you take some care. Techies simply cannot get involved in combat and expect to achieve as much as another hero would, leaving his team down a Hero in fights. Sometimes literally down a Hero if they go and Suicide into someone like Centaur or Tide who are just going to shrug it off.

    You don't need to draft special around them, you don't need to buy expensive items like MKB's to deal with them, you don't have to worry about them warping the game the way heroes like Tinker can. All you have to do is watch where you're walking. Thats it. After you've played against him long enough you know where all the common mine spots are too, so avoiding them almost becomes an invoulentary responce.

    You like Techies, we get it. Thats cool, you have fun playing them. But if you can't provide any arguements for them being a good hero on their own merits, you're not going to convince anyone else that they are as good as you think they are.
    Not always. He gives map control, he makes the other team very wary of where to walk. A good techies can contribute to team fights. Not as effective as other heroes but I'd rather have a good techies over a shitty support player. Like I said before, a well mined base can be a nightmare for the opposing team even with a gem/sentry wards. I don't even like the hero that much but I'm not going to let that blind me.
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    How the fuck does Alchemist still exist? Like, I know it took the pros a long time to finally realize that he was OP as shit, but it should be clear to everyone by now that he's OP and needs nerfs... and fucking nerfing GG to only give 3x bounty runes at lvl 1 isn't a fucking nerf. Acid Spray clears waves effortlessly with almost no effective cooldown, and Chemical Rage might as well be a fucking "I win" button - better than 50% uptime, it gives 100 HP/sec regen, 1.0 BAT, and even like fucking 60 movespeed? What the fuck is wrong with those dumb fucking cunts that they don't understand how fundamentally broken that is? How the fuck can anyone be so motherfucking incompetent?

    On a different note, I'm starting to think armor reduction needs to be nerfed somehow, like negative armor scaling is only half of regular armor scaling or something - so that -5 armor results in bonus damage proportional to having +2.5 armor, or something. I think we're seeing so much more Slardar, Dazzle, medallion/crest, etc because it's such a cheap and obscenely powerful damage boost. Hitting some hero with 4 armor with Amplify Damage is like an instant +25% damage or something like that due to how it scales... way too good. Slardar's ulti might need to be changed to just give a flat damage boost or something to compensate, since it would be practically useless otherwise with this kind of nerf.
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  3. #20783
    Quote Originally Posted by Bapestar View Post
    Many heroes have shitty stats lol. Uh techies is not a farming or push hero, hes a defensive hero. There is a toxic attitude among dota players that make them dub any hero that gets a nerf as destroyed or unplayable.
    It's not toxic. Techies is legit bad. He offers so little to the team you can pick literally any other hero in the game and benefit your team more. You can call him a defensive hero, but how is he defensive anymore? He needs a shitton of mines and is easily countered by just sentry ward. Enemy just picks a sniper and they've got your mines gone for days, or clockwerk's rockets, or literally anything giving vision uphill.

    He is trash.
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  4. #20784
    Quote Originally Posted by Crackleslap View Post
    I don't know how to build riki anymore. I played a game with him with his previous build. Treads, diffusal etc... and it just does no damage at all. I felt utterly useless the entire game. Maybe next game I'll try an ember riki but if you get caught you are 100% dead.
    treads
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    edit: basher is probably great if it can proc during ulti, dunno about the mechanics
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  5. #20785
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    .

    He doesn't need it to get kills early game, let's not forget, he used to do just fine with permanent invis as his ult, something that got baked into his backstab for free.
    How long ago was that? His ult was blink strike with charges not invis, you could get invis straight away.

  6. #20786
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    How long ago was that? His ult was blink strike with charges not invis, you could get invis straight away.
    6.82 was his rework

    that's 15 months ago tomorrow

  7. #20787
    Quote Originally Posted by Bapestar View Post
    Many heroes have shitty stats lol. Uh techies is not a farming or push hero, hes a defensive hero. There is a toxic attitude among dota players that make them dub any hero that gets a nerf as destroyed or unplayable.
    You're right, Techies is a more defencive hero, that does not make them a good hero at it however. The one thing they can consistently do is defending high ground, if they have setup time, and then he's entirely dependant on having that time, if the other team regroups and pushes before he's set up again or pushes a different lane he's of no use at all even there. He doesn't even defend high ground as well as a Hero like KotL, who can destroy entire creep waves before they even get close enough to the towers to contest them. Thats without going into all of the other cool stuff KotL brings, stuff that doesn't rely on opponents being caught by supprise.

    At best, he's a one trick pony. And its not a very good trick when people take precautions. Its nothing to do with him being nerfed, everything to do with him just being a wonky, horrible mess of a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    treads
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    cleaver
    crit

    edit: basher is probably great if it can proc during ulti, dunno about the mechanics
    Is Crit any good on Riki now? I didn't think his backstab could crit. I'm not at all sure on his new Ult mechanics, I think it works like a 360 degree pulsing Backstab on everyone in range, and applies procs as orbs etc as if it were a regular melee attack, but I don't think I've seen it crit.

    I've had some success with SnY on Riki instead of the Drums. The slow and extra move speed come in handy for getting more backstabs in I find, and they have stats Riki wants now after his Str was lowered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PraisetheSun View Post
    The Riki ulti just isn't very good. I literally won a game against a Riki earlier today because he decided to ulti instead of just hitting me while I was stuck in his fart cloud. Got him killed because it allowed me to just walk out of it, invoke Deafening Blast, and gib him instead of dying. It's just not a good ulti atm unless you go full retard 3x Rapier and catch people in Black Hole/Kinetic Field or some shit.

    Like legit if my life depended on winning a Riki game right now I'd ignore skilling ulti completely, I think.
    its teamfight not solo kill.

    Combo it with a group control ult like Black hole and you wreck enemy teams. Its a longish CD, a hits hard, but quite slowly, but it hits everyone. Its good, but its not how you used to play Riki. you need to be more teamfight now.

  9. #20789
    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryZebra View Post
    Is Crit any good on Riki now? I didn't think his backstab could crit. I'm not at all sure on his new Ult mechanics, I think it works like a 360 degree pulsing Backstab on everyone in range, and applies procs as orbs etc as if it were a regular melee attack, but I don't think I've seen it crit.

    I've had some success with SnY on Riki instead of the Drums. The slow and extra move speed come in handy for getting more backstabs in I find, and they have stats Riki wants now after his Str was lowered.
    backstab doesn't cleave, and can't crit.

    crit is good when you have battlefury, because both works with his ultimate.
    battlefury cleaves in front of targets (because you backstab them), cleave damage ignores armor so when you crit.. basically you go this build to be able to have some impact during mid-late game where your team has to fight the other team.

    the reason i would build drums over s&y is that riki falls off fucking hard
    by the time you get s&y you could have had five kills while building drums

    late game skadi is nice (get an orb of venom if you have the slots - it stacks with skadi), and so is manta and blink (but that goes for every hero right?)

    it really depends on how you want to play riki though. if you can't (or won't) team fight a lot, stack agi and go for early kills. with a static 1 attack/second on his new ultimate, stacking agi isn't at all as good if your team needs to do a lot of teamfighting.

  10. #20790
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyi View Post
    its teamfight not solo kill.

    Combo it with a group control ult like Black hole and you wreck enemy teams. Its a longish CD, a hits hard, but quite slowly, but it hits everyone. Its good, but its not how you used to play Riki. you need to be more teamfight now.
    The point is that the hero can't teamfight (i.e can't do relevant damage with the ulti) unless you play him as an AFK-farming safelane carry for the vast majority of the game - something that the hero is objectively terrible at. Never mind the fact that the ulti actively has anti-synergy with Backstab in terms of itemization because the attack rate is capped at 1/second, which means you either have to get agi items and maximize Backstab damage or +damage items to maximize ulti.

    The hero objectively doesn't make sense in terms of design right now and I fully expect him to be reworked yet again. It's like Silencer - the hero needs a rework of his Aghanim's now because it's objectively anti-synergistic; you can't extend the duration of the Q applied by your ulti with Agha because your ulti prevents people from casting.

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    I swear to fuckin god DotA has some of the literally stupidest people I've ever encountered. Random Zeus first pick, dumb cunts pick Timbersaw and then Abbadon along with Invoker and fucking Spectre and then complain about shitty lanes and lack of disables. Where's the Zeus gonna go when you pick Timbersaw for solo offlane? Sure, support Zeus works, but you have to fucking draft around it. That's why I always random first pick! But, no, it's easier to pick heroes they want to play, regardless of whether or not they fit, and then blame the guy that randomed for everything when the team with almost literally 0 disables gets shit on by the team with a balanced draft. Fucking Abbadon trying to get on my shit because I randomed, even though I randomed first pick, and we already had someone wanting to play Invoker mid. But, no, let's pick fucking Abbadon because he brings absolutely NOTHING valuable to the table and then blame the guy that randomed as though that has any fucking thing to do with it.

    Hurr durr, it's Zeus' fault because he randomed Zeus when that guy said he was going mid with Invoker. Did I call mid? No, I didn't call any lanes, I just randomed. What would have happened if I randomed Bambi or DK or Spacecow or Antimage or Lich or any fucking other hero? Would he still cry about me randoming a mid (which doesn't even make sense, how can I "random a mid"? It's random, you don't get a choice!) then?

    I sincerely and truly hope that stupid motherfucker gets hit by a car and fucking dies. That dumb cunt's death would be a sincere and genuine fucking blessing to every person that has to suffer through their utter fucking stupidity.



    So, yeah. Pubs are fun right guys?
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    If you don't want to get flamed for randoming in RMM, don't random. It's that simple.

    If you random firstpick in unranked and get flamed for it, people are retards. If you random in RMM and your team comp turns out shit because surprise, bad players have a 3-hero hero pool, complaining about it is like sticking your foot in boiling water and complaining about a scalding. You may be right to complain because the water shouldn't have been scalding in the first place, or whatever, but you knew damn well what was going to happen the second you did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PraisetheSun View Post
    If you don't want to get flamed for randoming in RMM, don't random. It's that simple.

    If you random firstpick in unranked and get flamed for it, people are retards. If you random in RMM and your team comp turns out shit because surprise, bad players have a 3-hero hero pool, complaining about it is like sticking your foot in boiling water and complaining about a scalding. You may be right to complain because the water shouldn't have been scalding in the first place, or whatever, but you knew damn well what was going to happen the second you did it.
    So it's my fault other players are bad? How's that work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    So it's my fault other players are bad? How's that work?
    It's your fault that you choose to random and then expect your team to conform to whatever that hero is. If you want to win ranked games, be willing to pick last, be willing to pick what your team needs (not what you find fun), and be willing to do the horrible jobs like solo-supporting 4 retarded cores.

    If you're not gonna do that then you don't get to bitch about your MMR. The guy that first-pick randoms every single game (and likely isn't even highest MMR and thus can't play 50% of the heroes he might random to any effective degree) is just as bad and game-losing in my eyes as the guy that just mindlessly picks Slark every single game whether Slark is good or not.

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    Well deathball is back... time to uninstall until it goes away

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1r4g3 View Post
    Well deathball is back... time to uninstall until it goes away
    How so? Pubs don't seem to favor any one playstyle over any other. Comeback gold is still completely broken as far as pubs go, though. Almost guaranteed 45+ min games because people start getting kill crazy and feeding 1500 gold to the enemy team because fuck that Dazzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PraisetheSun View Post
    It's your fault that you choose to random and then expect your team to conform to whatever that hero is. If you want to win ranked games, be willing to pick last, be willing to pick what your team needs (not what you find fun), and be willing to do the horrible jobs like solo-supporting 4 retarded cores.

    If you're not gonna do that then you don't get to bitch about your MMR. The guy that first-pick randoms every single game (and likely isn't even highest MMR and thus can't play 50% of the heroes he might random to any effective degree) is just as bad and game-losing in my eyes as the guy that just mindlessly picks Slark every single game whether Slark is good or not.
    I'm not bitching about my MMR, I don't care what my fucking MMR is. I do care about dumbasses blaming others when they're the ones making mistakes, when they're the ones fucking up.

    When I play like shit, I own it, and I try to learn from it. I don't fucking blame my teammates and try to pretend like I didn't have anything to do with the loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenvalley View Post
    It's not toxic. Techies is legit bad. He offers so little to the team you can pick literally any other hero in the game and benefit your team more. You can call him a defensive hero, but how is he defensive anymore? He needs a shitton of mines and is easily countered by just sentry ward. Enemy just picks a sniper and they've got your mines gone for days, or clockwerk's rockets, or literally anything giving vision uphill.

    He is trash.
    It is toxic. People constantly say any hero that gets nerfed is now trash, and it's not the case. Sentry wards or gem doesn't always make techies useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryZebra View Post
    You're right, Techies is a more defencive hero, that does not make them a good hero at it however. The one thing they can consistently do is defending high ground, if they have setup time, and then he's entirely dependant on having that time, if the other team regroups and pushes before he's set up again or pushes a different lane he's of no use at all even there. He doesn't even defend high ground as well as a Hero like KotL, who can destroy entire creep waves before they even get close enough to the towers to contest them. Thats without going into all of the other cool stuff KotL brings, stuff that doesn't rely on opponents being caught by supprise.

    At best, he's a one trick pony. And its not a very good trick when people take precautions. Its nothing to do with him being nerfed, everything to do with him just being a wonky, horrible mess of a hero.
    A good techies will mine every lane not just one. KotL cannot instantly blow up heroes while defending. A bad techies is much more useful over a bad KotL.
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    KotL doesn't even need illuminate. Max Mana Leak and enjoy winning every engagement until BKBs pop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bapestar View Post
    A good techies will mine every lane not just one. KotL cannot instantly blow up heroes while defending. A bad techies is much more useful over a bad KotL.
    If you are talking about pubs - KotL is more reliable way to defend from pushes, except if enemy has huskar or something equally tower-destroy-ish. Techies have to spend quite some time to defend from pushes and can be shut down by Tiny tossing a minion, random dominated neutral popping mines.

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    R[A]T Doto is BACK!

    VG* and LGD both picking up NP.
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