1. #10901
    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me, and that's not fair, therefore it's broken. And yes, it can also be other way around, but it's still broken, because it's not balanced. End of story.
    Number of games played is almost irrelevant after a certain number, as the game calculates your match making rating based on your losing/winning against people of higher/lower rating than you. I played like 600+ matches, but I ve played the game since 2006 and I'm certain my skill is now plateau-ed around lower end of VH bracket (mostly since I cant find the passion to spend as much time and effort to spend into it like in the past), I wont get much better even if play count reaches 1000.
    Last edited by kronpas; 2013-11-06 at 01:48 AM.

  2. #10902
    Quote Originally Posted by kronpas View Post
    Number of games played is almost irrelevant after a certain number, as the game calculates your match making rating based on your losing/winning against people of higher/lower rating than you.
    I'm just going to quote this and say kronpas is right. Number of games played is pretty close to irrelevant. I've got about 200 games played, but I'm more than comfortable playing against folks with 1000+ because I played HoN and DotA before Dota 2.

    The MMR system works based on your skill, not the number of games you've played. If you've got anywhere close to a 50% winrate (+- 10%) after a few dozen matches then the MMR system is working.

    I also want to remind folks that coming here to vent is forbidden by the Dota 2 forum rules and may be infracted in the future.
    Last edited by noteworthynerd; 2013-11-06 at 01:23 PM.

  3. #10903
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    Quote Originally Posted by noteworthynerd View Post
    I'm just going to quote this and say kronpas is right. Number of games played is pretty close to irrelevant. I've got about 200 games played, but I'm more than comfortable playing against folks with 1000+ because I played HoN and DotA before Dota 2.

    The MMR system works based on your skill, not the number of games you've played. If you've got anywhere close to a 50% winrate (+- 10%) after a few dozen matches then the MMR system is working.

    I also want to remind folks that coming here to vent is forbidden by the Dota 2 forum rules and may be infracted in the future.
    Shame that when the MM system works its a pile a turds

  4. #10904
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    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me
    Games played is pretty much no indication of skill past ~100-200 games played, not counting smurfs or people with WC3 experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Nope, for now I can assume its pretty much broken, I don't see it, it would be much easier if they made it visible.
    How would that help.
    If the system is broken, wouldn't you also assume that the ELO given to players is inaccurate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Excuse? That would imply I am bad at Dota. I pretty much tend to carry most of my games.
    The only good non-humble player I know of is Ixmike.
    Last edited by mmoc24ed1da916; 2013-11-06 at 02:09 PM.

  5. #10905
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post
    The only good non-humble player I know of is Ixmike.
    He seems like a nice guy, would suck if he is a dick about being a pro.

    On a side note i don't know why dota pros think they are the best shit ever, theres hardly any top top players, the rest you could replace with random pub heroes given some time to practice with the team.

  6. #10906
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    He seems like a nice guy, would suck if he is a dick about being a pro.
    He's actually really humble he just jokes a lot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    On a side note i don't know why dota pros think they are the best shit ever, theres hardly any top top players, the rest you could replace with random pub heroes given some time to practice with the team.
    Lysah pls

  7. #10907
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    Dota 2 Courier sold for $38,000 O.O

    Its a pink etheral wardog, what sucks is i traded a wardog /w flames for a few mythicals way back - i just hope it was not worth that much now.


    I'm going to go and lie down now

  8. #10908
    when dotabuff revealed the player ratings for a few days , my 400 games played account and other 40 games played account which i was using to play with irl friends had same percent , which i believe indicates that rating system works quite well , but this says nothing about matchmaking system of course , it is obvious and expected that when search range grows wide and full you are bound to get unbalanced games for the sake of lowering queue times , what i do not like is when a group of 3-4 people with mixed ratings queues usually system boggles a little bit even when search range is reasonable

  9. #10909
    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post
    Lysah pls
    Smashing fogged stacks since 2005?
    I'm not humble at all either. People are worse than me at dota and the sooner they realize it the sooner we can be friends.

    @puffler
    What color?
    Last edited by Lysah; 2013-11-07 at 02:47 AM.

  10. #10910
    Don't get worked up about # of wins, that value is next to meaningless. I could go and make a new account and be back to being around top 1% MMR in a few dozen games. In fact, when dotabuff ratings were out my real account that back then had like 1000+ wins and my other account that was at around 100 wins were like within 100 points of each other.

    And nothing in the system stops me from inviting a friend with 20 wins when I'm playing on my almost 1900 wins account. Note that my friend could be a totally new player or just using a new account. Then we go to a game and maybe it has other people like me with 1000 wins who wonder why they're in a game with someone at 20 wins or it could have people at 50 wins wondering why there's someone with almost 2000 wins in a game with them, or maybe everyone else is at 500 wins and wonder what is going on. My point is, you're better off not spying on anyone's wins at all because those numbers are more likely to lead to false conclusions than not.

  11. #10911
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    People are worse than me at dota and the sooner they realize it the sooner we can be friends.
    That reminds me, I haven't seen one of your teammates throw a game out of spite in almost a week now. Have I just been watching at the wrong times?

  12. #10912
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    @Lysah, was green


    Also why is it everyone make doom jungle, hes so god damn slow in the jungle compared to mid / safe lane, god damn annoying

  13. #10913
    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    @Lysah, was green
    Not one of the more expensive colors iirc so might not have been a huge loss.
    Also why is it everyone make doom jungle, hes so god damn slow in the jungle compared to mid / safe lane, god damn annoying
    I agree.

    @Omer
    Manni wanted to rage quit my Zeus game last night does that count

  14. #10914
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Not one of the more expensive colors iirc so might not have been a huge loss.
    Bullet dodged then, however i am never trading any courier with an effect ever again

  15. #10915
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Smashing fogged stacks since 2005?
    I'm not humble at all either. People are worse than me at dota and the sooner they realize it the sooner we can be friends.
    Lysah pls

    Quote Originally Posted by Omertocracy View Post
    That reminds me, I haven't seen one of your teammates throw a game out of spite in almost a week now. Have I just been watching at the wrong times?
    I've been busy with school, just you wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    Bullet dodged then, however i am never trading any courier with an effect ever again
    Eh most other effects are pretty cheap. "Cool" or "rare" effects in general just get inflated as fuck prices.

    Or you could get Trail of Amanita.
    Last edited by mmoc24ed1da916; 2013-11-07 at 09:14 AM.

  16. #10916
    Indigo eth flames war dog 450 keys

    Like 300 of them being sold currently. Super rare.
    Last edited by Lysah; 2013-11-07 at 09:22 AM.

  17. #10917
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post

    Eh most other effects are pretty cheap. "Cool" or "rare" effects in general just get inflated as fuck prices.

    Or you could get Trail of Amanita.
    If one day the powers that be decide to remove an effect, who knows might be able to get dem sweet keys.

  18. #10918
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    As someone who has spent a lot of time trading stuff in DotA2 I can confirm that all the effects and couriers mentioned here are near-worthless. I can guarantee none of the ones you've got are worth more than a few commons, at most.


    Still, I guess I've more money than sense when I say this but... If you're tired of your useless ethereal flames couriers and the like, I can maybe give you a key or two. Just some small compensation. I'm collectin' them for... A school project.
    I got a spare speed demon if that would suffice, no effect, sadly.

    But seriously if someone wants it they can have it for free, i just blotto and stick.

  19. #10919
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    I'll take it! I love free stuff. Things are lot better when they're free!
    Sure, i'm too lazy to go onto dota longue anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    As someone who has spent a lot of time trading stuff in DotA2 I can confirm that all the effects and couriers mentioned here are near-worthless. I can guarantee none of the ones you've got are worth more than a few commons, at most.


    Still, I guess I've more money than sense when I say this but... If you're tired of your useless ethereal flames couriers and the like, I can maybe give you a key or two. Just some small compensation. I'm collectin' them for... A school project.
    Its amazing what people will pay for these couriers, i know a friend that barely ever opens chests but has gotten one of the international couriers and sold it for about £80 then later opened another chest and got a courier that instantly sold for £50. Ive yet to see a courier in game with a decent effect though.

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