1. #11001
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    god this matchmaking is awful, ruins the whole game when you get queued up against players which literally have no brain. This game has probably the highest quantity of nabs around. Why can't they simply bring MMR/ELO styled system into the game for public?

    They should make it like WoW PvP seasons.
    But there is an ELO system implemented for public games. So what's your excuse now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    But there is an ELO system implemented for public games. So what's your excuse now?
    Excuse? That would imply I am bad at Dota. I pretty much tend to carry most of my games. So it's hidden ELO then right?... Should be visible and seasonal. Every damn match there is someone who barely gets two or three kills and dies three/four times as much.
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  3. #11003
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    But there is an ELO system implemented for public games. So what's your excuse now?
    MM is broken, even Valve said they are not happy with it and that they are thinking about how to improve it. So yeah, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Excuse? That would imply I am bad at Dota. I pretty much tend to carry most of my games. So it's hidden ELO then right?... Should be visible and seasonal. Every damn match there is someone who barely gets two or three kills and dies three/four times as much.
    Does it matter if it is visible or not when it comes to who you get matched with? No. I don't know if you're good or not because I've never seen you play but I believe you're bad. I could be wrong of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    MM is broken, even Valve said they are not happy with it and that they are thinking about how to improve it. So yeah, no.
    It's still ELO. What do you mean with "So yeah, no"? Did you read my post? And who says they haven't made modifications to the system since their statement about how they were unhappy about it? I'm assuming you are referring Gabe's comment on a YouTube video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    Does it matter if it is visible or not when it comes to who you get matched with? No. I don't know if you're good or not because I've never seen you play but I believe you're bad. I could be wrong of course.

    It's still ELO. What do you mean with "So yeah, no"? Did you read my post? And who says they haven't made modifications to the system since their statement about how they were unhappy about it? I'm assuming you are referring Gabe's comment on a YouTube video.
    Nope, for now I can assume its pretty much broken, I don't see it, it would be much easier if they made it visible. Do you know the definition of bad? Yep, you're indeed wrong. You got a clan? We can organize a match (inb4 getting carried by clan). Let me know when you free, I get my guys sorted and we can have a match during weekend.

    People still complain about the system, dotafire forums, steam forums, pretty much everywhere. Yeah sure, some of the players have terrible w/l and call OP on every damn class, but there are fairly decent players also complaining. The system is bad. Still, anything is better than Shootmanias match-up and ranking system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Nope, for now I can assume its pretty much broken, I don't see it, it would be much easier if they made it visible. Do you know the definition of bad? Yep, you're indeed wrong. You got a clan? We can organize a match (inb4 getting carried by clan). Let me know when you free, I get my guys sorted and we can have a match during weekend.

    People still complain about the system, dotafire forums, steam forums, pretty much everywhere. Yeah sure, some of the players have terrible w/l and call OP on every damn class, but there are fairly decent players also complaining. The system is bad. Still, anything is better than Shootmanias match-up and ranking system.
    You can assume, sure. But you also assumed there was no ELO system implemented. Your assumptions seem pretty bad.

    I know the definition of bad. Why wouldn't I know it? What a random question. I'm a pub hero, I don't scrim. But as you said a normal game doesn't necessarily tell you much about a certain individual on the team.

    Do you know how many people complain at mid MMR about how bad their teammates are? I've played on multiple smurf accounts and it's always the same, people at low or mid MMR complain so much when they're dog.

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    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me, and that's not fair, therefore it's broken. And yes, it can also be other way around, but it's still broken, because it's not balanced. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me, and that's not fair, therefore it's broken. And yes, it can also be other way around, but it's still broken, because it's not balanced. End of story.
    I got around 400 wins and played/plays in a organized team going to tournaments and shit as the main carry. I did play HoN and Dota 1 beforehand so I knew the game in and out already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zogarth View Post
    I got around 400 wins and played/plays in a organized team going to tournaments and shit as the main carry. I did play HoN and Dota 1 beforehand so I knew the game in and out already.
    Yeah well, I didn't, I started with LoL where I played like 30 matches. So, is that MM fair to me? Nope.

    Edit: To clarify, I didn't mean it should be based SOLELY on number of games played, but even that would be more fair than this system, aparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me, and that's not fair, therefore it's broken. And yes, it can also be other way around, but it's still broken, because it's not balanced. End of story.
    Number of games played is almost irrelevant after a certain number, as the game calculates your match making rating based on your losing/winning against people of higher/lower rating than you. I played like 600+ matches, but I ve played the game since 2006 and I'm certain my skill is now plateau-ed around lower end of VH bracket (mostly since I cant find the passion to spend as much time and effort to spend into it like in the past), I wont get much better even if play count reaches 1000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kronpas View Post
    Number of games played is almost irrelevant after a certain number, as the game calculates your match making rating based on your losing/winning against people of higher/lower rating than you.
    I'm just going to quote this and say kronpas is right. Number of games played is pretty close to irrelevant. I've got about 200 games played, but I'm more than comfortable playing against folks with 1000+ because I played HoN and DotA before Dota 2.

    The MMR system works based on your skill, not the number of games you've played. If you've got anywhere close to a 50% winrate (+- 10%) after a few dozen matches then the MMR system is working.

    I also want to remind folks that coming here to vent is forbidden by the Dota 2 forum rules and may be infracted in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noteworthynerd View Post
    I'm just going to quote this and say kronpas is right. Number of games played is pretty close to irrelevant. I've got about 200 games played, but I'm more than comfortable playing against folks with 1000+ because I played HoN and DotA before Dota 2.

    The MMR system works based on your skill, not the number of games you've played. If you've got anywhere close to a 50% winrate (+- 10%) after a few dozen matches then the MMR system is working.

    I also want to remind folks that coming here to vent is forbidden by the Dota 2 forum rules and may be infracted in the future.
    Shame that when the MM system works its a pile a turds

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizbo View Post
    All I know is, I get matched up against players with 1000+ (once I got the guy with 2000+) games played, while I have ~400. They HAVE to be (much) better than me
    Games played is pretty much no indication of skill past ~100-200 games played, not counting smurfs or people with WC3 experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Nope, for now I can assume its pretty much broken, I don't see it, it would be much easier if they made it visible.
    How would that help.
    If the system is broken, wouldn't you also assume that the ELO given to players is inaccurate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suprm View Post
    Excuse? That would imply I am bad at Dota. I pretty much tend to carry most of my games.
    The only good non-humble player I know of is Ixmike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post
    The only good non-humble player I know of is Ixmike.
    He seems like a nice guy, would suck if he is a dick about being a pro.

    On a side note i don't know why dota pros think they are the best shit ever, theres hardly any top top players, the rest you could replace with random pub heroes given some time to practice with the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    He seems like a nice guy, would suck if he is a dick about being a pro.
    He's actually really humble he just jokes a lot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Puffler View Post
    On a side note i don't know why dota pros think they are the best shit ever, theres hardly any top top players, the rest you could replace with random pub heroes given some time to practice with the team.
    Lysah pls

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    Dota 2 Courier sold for $38,000 O.O

    Its a pink etheral wardog, what sucks is i traded a wardog /w flames for a few mythicals way back - i just hope it was not worth that much now.


    I'm going to go and lie down now

  17. #11017
    when dotabuff revealed the player ratings for a few days , my 400 games played account and other 40 games played account which i was using to play with irl friends had same percent , which i believe indicates that rating system works quite well , but this says nothing about matchmaking system of course , it is obvious and expected that when search range grows wide and full you are bound to get unbalanced games for the sake of lowering queue times , what i do not like is when a group of 3-4 people with mixed ratings queues usually system boggles a little bit even when search range is reasonable

  18. #11018
    Quote Originally Posted by Zefie View Post
    Lysah pls
    Smashing fogged stacks since 2005?
    I'm not humble at all either. People are worse than me at dota and the sooner they realize it the sooner we can be friends.

    @puffler
    What color?
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    Don't get worked up about # of wins, that value is next to meaningless. I could go and make a new account and be back to being around top 1% MMR in a few dozen games. In fact, when dotabuff ratings were out my real account that back then had like 1000+ wins and my other account that was at around 100 wins were like within 100 points of each other.

    And nothing in the system stops me from inviting a friend with 20 wins when I'm playing on my almost 1900 wins account. Note that my friend could be a totally new player or just using a new account. Then we go to a game and maybe it has other people like me with 1000 wins who wonder why they're in a game with someone at 20 wins or it could have people at 50 wins wondering why there's someone with almost 2000 wins in a game with them, or maybe everyone else is at 500 wins and wonder what is going on. My point is, you're better off not spying on anyone's wins at all because those numbers are more likely to lead to false conclusions than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    People are worse than me at dota and the sooner they realize it the sooner we can be friends.
    That reminds me, I haven't seen one of your teammates throw a game out of spite in almost a week now. Have I just been watching at the wrong times?

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