1. #17881
    I'm not sure what the problem is, the patch is coming next week and it was unofficially announced before the esports stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    I'm not sure what the problem is, the patch is coming next week and it was unofficially announced before the esports stuff.
    And the patch will only contain changes to force the current pro meta to change, not necessarily changes which are best for gameplay balance.

    Hell, I'd settle for just more than two damned gameplay modes in ranked. CM is pretty much undoable in a pub because there's no way of controlling who gets captain - maybe you get someone that knows what they're doing, maybe you get an idiot like me, most likely you get some asshole South American that doesn't speak English and wouldn't listen to the team even if he did. And AP is just nonstop instalock Troll/Sniper/Storm Spirit/meta heroes, or occasionally a pair of friends (or just pubs that actually fucking listen to each other) picking completely gamebreaking hero combos, since AP lets them do that with ease.

    Even if they refuse to create a new gamemode like All Draft (as All Pick, except each player also gets to ban a hero during their pick phase), I don't see how Random Draft or even Single Draft would be so inherently "broken" as to make ranked meaningless (not that ranked has much meaning as it is...) I mean, I'd prefer straight up All Random, but anything's better than only being able to play All Pick :-/
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    Can confirm, went ES/lich offlane last night and absolutely stomped a Sniper picker, he was level 4 when we were level 8. ggnore AP ranked

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    And the patch will only contain changes to force the current pro meta to change, not necessarily changes which are best for gameplay balance.
    When has that ever happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Hell, I'd settle for just more than two damned gameplay modes in ranked.

    I don't see how Random Draft or even Single Draft would be so inherently "broken" as to make ranked meaningless
    Personally I think the Draft system LoL has is better than Captains for pub play. One person per team gets to decide who to ban, but at least you get to choose a Hero for yourself and not end up with something you're absolutely terrible at. Its not without its faults, but its a huge improvement over some of the problems with Captains Mode.

    Opening up some of the other picking modes isn't really going to improve matters. All they'd do for most players is increase the chance they end up with that one guy who randomed Invoker with no idea what they're doing and goes 0/12/1. You can make an argument that being able to play a wider selection of Heroes means you're a better player, but there are no guarantees you'll randomly get one you're good enough at playing for the level you're at. It wouldn't be broken enough to totally invalidate MMR as a measure of a players skill, but it does prevent you from showing off the areas that you really excel at. It would reward the most versatile players, but not necessarily the most skillful ones at any given role and for a large section of the Dota community that is totally unacceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    i doubt they're gonna release twice the patches now
    I'm hoping they release a small one at the end of each of the tournaments, to help stop things getting predictable for the following tourney. I am an optimist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    When has that ever happened?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dota 2 Wiki
    6.83

    Strength growth reduced from 2.2 to 1.9

    6.82c

    Crypt Swarm icon.png Crypt Swarm damage rescaled from 100/175/250/300 to 75/150/225/300
    Exorcism icon.png Exorcism cooldown increased from 135 to 145

    6.82

    Exorcism icon.png Exorcism cooldown increased from 115 to 135

    6.80

    Exorcism icon.png Exorcism cooldown increased from 100 to 115.
    Silence (Death Prophet) icon.png Silence AoE increased from 350 to 425.
    DP was arguably perfectly balanced in 6.82, where Exorcism had gone from an initially 100 sec cd up to 135 sec. And then she keeps getting nerfed, completely pointlessly. She was already balanced! But she was getting nerfed because no one was counterpicking the DP and playing heroes and strategies that are strong against her, and she was still getting picked constantly in pro.

    Then she eats two pointless nerfs in a hotfix patch 6.82c, and then gets nerfed again in 6.83 because... they don't want the pros picking her. Lina is also given completely unnecessary buffs during this timeframe (why did they increase Dragon Slave damage!?), and this results in core Lina basically replacing core DP... which could've happened already in 6.82, except the pros just copy each other endlessly.

    This is just what Blizzard Valve does. I'm sure we'll see something like that in 6.84. We've seen it in dozens of previous patches (remember Naga Siren losing 12 base damage in 6.75?) It's a complete pattern for them.
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    Remember how I used to say mid Lina was strong and people called me retarded? Man those were funny days. It's funny how every "how to mid" guide emphasizes lane control so much when 90% of the mids out there simply nuke the creep wave down every 30 seconds. It's like people forget that heroes that can kill someone from full health in half a second from a screen away can make strong carrys.

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  8. #17888
    hows storm awful vs a coordinated team? havent u seen sumail "bad games" ? where he get focused down but still comeback because how good the hero is? pretty much like tinker.



    "Saying xx non meta hero is strong and people called me retarded" is getting old, its always been like that.. how many heroes are strong but people just see it because they arent mainstream, like beastmaster mid u'll say hes "okay" but then u see fata play it and u see how stupid the hero is, 4 sec stun if u get a refresher u cant lose any team fight, can solo kill any1 with necro 3.


    lina is just imba as storm or sniper in the mid lane atm, get euls sb and she farm heroes as fast she farm creeps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    DP was arguably perfectly balanced in 6.82, where Exorcism had gone from an initially 100 sec cd up to 135 sec. And then she keeps getting nerfed, completely pointlessly. She was already balanced! But she was getting nerfed because no one was counterpicking the DP and playing heroes and strategies that are strong against her, and she was still getting picked constantly in pro.

    Then she eats two pointless nerfs in a hotfix patch 6.82c, and then gets nerfed again in 6.83 because... they don't want the pros picking her. Lina is also given completely unnecessary buffs during this timeframe (why did they increase Dragon Slave damage!?), and this results in core Lina basically replacing core DP... which could've happened already in 6.82, except the pros just copy each other endlessly.

    This is just what Blizzard Valve does. I'm sure we'll see something like that in 6.84. We've seen it in dozens of previous patches (remember Naga Siren losing 12 base damage in 6.75?) It's a complete pattern for them.
    No, krob wasn't perfectnly fine, nerfs to Exorcism were justified, because it had basically no downtime for teamfights in lategame and no downside to use it in midgame, with extra 40 seconds on it you actually have to make a decision - push barracks or win a teamfight in midgame, and gives an option for enemy team to strike back while you ult is on (effectively) 100 seconds cooldown, with old one it had (effectively) 70 seconds cooldown, where you could use it without downtime between teamfights if you are winning.
    Exorcism CD was too short and "forced" (in sense of "do this if you want to win games") metas of 5 manning 1 lane every 60 seconds / rat krob whom can't be chased 'cuz 522 MS and travels lol.

    Str gain nerf is justified too (tho, effectively it didn't changed much, boohoo 100 less health at max level), because by getting bracer+mek+travels you are fucking immortal and uncatchable pushing machine that can solo towers or single-handed win teamfights, personally i would nerf her base str as well.

    Bats nerf was made to tone down her early game pushing power (and to encourage people leveling them past level 3, who the fuck leveled it up to level 4 before everything else?) which was needed if they didn't wanted to burn even more of her health to make her weaker in early game before she becomes unstoppable

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    Quote Originally Posted by EqualWin View Post
    lina is just imba as storm or sniper in the mid lane atm, get euls sb and she farm heroes as fast she farm creeps.
    Lina was imba since sven+lina duo lanes from whoever remembers how long ago, when hammer wasn't dodgable by anything it guaranteed snowball galore without whole team camping lane. Tho, meta won't agree with lina being imba and she is still counterable, and if you delay her items/levels she falls back very quickly. But you have to keep her in check, because as soon as she gets Euls, it's the same as Nix with Dagon, she can snowball from it (unless your team has pipe and everyone has at least one bracer)
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  10. #17890
    Everyone talks about OP Storm Spirit is and it just reminds me of how awful I am with him.
    Literally got wrecked by a Queen of Pain yesterday. I would of felt bad for my team if they weren't so quick to let me know how autistic I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I would of felt bad for my team if they weren't so quick to let me know how autistic I am.
    That's gold.

    I can see how QoP can be a problem pre level 6 (can't reliably remnant spam because bottle is blocked 24/7), but at level 6 you can (correct me if i'm wrong) juke her dagger with your ult and be fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    That's gold.

    I can see how QoP can be a problem pre level 6 (can't reliably remnant spam because bottle is blocked 24/7), but at level 6 you can (correct me if i'm wrong) juke her dagger with your ult and be fine
    Yeah, you could I'd imagine, problem is she reached level 6 far faster than me because I handled it terribly and backed up instead once I'd have the dot on me. It got to the point where she just blinked, ulted, and I melted.

  13. #17893
    Quote Originally Posted by EqualWin View Post
    "Saying xx non meta hero is strong and people called me retarded" is getting old
    People telling other people they're bad/stupid/etc because they don't follow the pro meta is getting old as well, and it happens quite a bit on this very forum

    I'll take the chance to remind those people how wrong they are any time I can.

    Also QoP who levels dagger definitely beats Storm in lane, but he can kill her pretty quickly once they're both 7 and she loses in the end.

  14. #17894
    When will people stop talking about that sumail storm game. It was a game where they had LITERALLY 0, NULL, ZERO disable, silence or control. It was storm spirit gallore there not becouse hero was op. He just had the means for that stupid comeback under current mechanics. If they had any silence or reliable stun, that storm would continue to be a damn food for another 20min at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    DP was arguably perfectly balanced in 6.82, where Exorcism had gone from an initially 100 sec cd up to 135 sec. And then she keeps getting nerfed, completely pointlessly. She was already balanced! But she was getting nerfed because no one was counterpicking the DP and playing heroes and strategies that are strong against her, and she was still getting picked constantly in pro.
    I don't think that's the case, Exorcism got a massive buff in 6.79 while DP was already a strong hero. They nerfed her ability to snack on towers every 1,5 minutes without nerfing the potential of the ult, made sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcereria View Post
    Muahahahha team secret.
    Team Secret's current form is what happens when you combine 5 players based on renown instead of compatibility. Arteezy is a mid and Zai is a 4 position, which conflicts directly with S4 and Kuro. Also Puppey's drafting is still in 2012.

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    I'd say secret is similar to DK and thats why I'd consider VG not to be a TI5 direct contender.
    You build up your peak of performance for a while, just to have a rest period inbetween events. Thats how it is in proffesional sport. You dont want to peak before the event. It is very sophisticated game of the body and mind.

    Especially Arteezy, lost his game when speaking about Team.MY which unfortunatly was broadcasted live on sings stream. First talk, than ask sing if he is live. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    I'll take the chance to remind those people how wrong they are any time I can.
    look at pizzashark i dont think theres a hero that isn't op for him, but when he said troll warlord is op (before dac and him being picked like hes now) tons of people here were "nah".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Everyone talks about OP Storm Spirit is and it just reminds me of how awful I am with him.
    Literally got wrecked by a Queen of Pain yesterday. I would of felt bad for my team if they weren't so quick to let me know how autistic I am.
    farm jungle, if u're behind just max q and e forget about W. and farm mid and jungle like sf, if shes snowballing u go for euls and then u rekt her. usually a good qop will own u and snowball..


    I love storm and hes my 3rd hero most played, I'm bad with him but as long u know how to farm u'll own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EqualWin View Post
    farm jungle, if u're behind just max q and e forget about W. and farm mid and jungle like sf, if shes snowballing u go for euls and then u rekt her. usually a good qop will own u and snowball..


    I love storm and hes my 3rd hero most played, I'm bad with him but as long u know how to farm u'll own.
    In my defense, that's probably the one thing I did try to do that was alright, farming the jungle, but we had a sand king and medusa who were also clearing out the jungle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcereria View Post
    When will people stop talking about that sumail storm game. It was a game where they had LITERALLY 0, NULL, ZERO disable, silence or control. It was storm spirit gallore there not becouse hero was op. He just had the means for that stupid comeback under current mechanics. If they had any silence or reliable stun, that storm would continue to be a damn food for another 20min at least.
    which one? (if its the one vs VG, they had shadow shaman idr the other heroes) and sumail storm vs lockdown or not he owns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    In my defense, that's probably the one thing I did try to do that was alright, farming the jungle, but we had a sand king and medusa who were also clearing out the jungle.
    oh that happens a lot as well, the only option left is farm offlane+enemy jungle// split pushing is always good too since most team 5 man in pubs, so u'll end up farming more and easily get pick off or ez team fights 5v4
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