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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    There is plenty of downsides on Haze, all Pandas that skip Haze were mid panda until they leave lane. Basically, by skipping Haze you get more points in passive, but taking Haze you have to use it. Using in on enemy will push lane (its aoe will hit creeps) and, well, there is no clear purpose for it (enemy will miss attacks vs anyone, your only concern on lane is to enemy miss attacks vs you). It is useful in middle and late game, but in early game passive easily wins for mid panda, while also help you to conserve mana for ult and slam.
    I personally see pros and cons of these paths to be very small and irrelevant, you get whatever you want for situation. Want to stay on lane and farm more vs, say, Xin? Get passive, want to gank and teamfight? Get Haze. But too often it's more important to stay on lane 'till 6 to be 100% sure that your ganks work, and at this point you (should) have both Haze and passive
    No, they skip haze ENTIRELY until later in the game, at which point BKBs are coming online and it's rendered somewhat irrelevant. It's the same as those retard mongoloid Axe players that skip Battle Hunger. Why pick a hero and then skip their unquestionably best skill?

    What the fuck is troll gonna do when he's hazed? What's sniper gonna do? You miss 75 fucking percent of your attacks and are slowed 26%, and it's effectively permanent as long as Panda can cast it and has the 50 mana. It's such a ridiculously overpowered skill, the fact that pros skip it in favor of maxing passive first is just mind-boggling.
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    It allows you to win even harder vs offlane heroes. Throw it on him and look at his health burning because he is zoned away and can't last hit. Works only on Axe support iirc
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    No, they skip haze ENTIRELY until later in the game, at which point BKBs are coming online and it's rendered somewhat irrelevant.
    Personally i usually put one point at 4 into Haze, 45% miss chance at lvl 1 seems pretty high, next levels don't do nearly as much.

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    Battle hunger used to be his best skill before they cut the damage by like 30% as I recall.

  6. #18006
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Battle hunger used to be his best skill before they cut the damage by like 30% as I recall.
    Oh god yes, I remember this. Battle Hunger spam the support and they will die. Harass them a bit, battle hunger as they walk away, they're going down unless they want to risk coming back to lane.

    Playing Axe was easy first blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Battle hunger used to be his best skill before they cut the damage by like 30% as I recall.
    It's still his best skill. They cut the damage and they cut the mana cost, too. 75 mana at all levels means you're insane not to max it ASAP unless you're not laning at all. Used intelligently it means Axe dominates his lane even when outnumbered and without having to being a suicidal feeding retard like most pub Axes are. Of course, it plain doesn't matter if you feed as Axe, because OP as fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    It's still his best skill. They cut the damage and they cut the mana cost, too. 75 mana at all levels means you're insane not to max it ASAP unless you're not laning at all. Used intelligently it means Axe dominates his lane even when outnumbered and without having to being a suicidal feeding retard like most pub Axes are. Of course, it plain doesn't matter if you feed as Axe, because OP as fuck.
    Yeah but then vs now it's a lot weaker. In the past, if you hit a support with a rank 4 battle hunger and they had 400 health they were dead. This meant Axe could jump into a lane, hit a fragile support merely once or twice, and then hunger and leave and they were 100% screwed. It also meant axe could gank mid, as the heroes in that lane are often hanging around at half health, and all he really needs to do is show up and hunger and then guard the creeps so they can't last hit and they're dead. He didn't need blink to gank and he didn't need culling blade to kill.

    Now that it does less damage, one cast isn't going to kill someone with 80% health left like it used to. Sure, you could cast it twice, but then you have to be there 10 seconds later to cast it again, which takes up time and they can just back off in the first place and live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    What the fuck is troll gonna do when he's hazed? What's sniper gonna do? You miss 75 fucking percent of your attacks and are slowed 26%, and it's effectively permanent as long as Panda can cast it and has the 50 mana. It's such a ridiculously overpowered skill, the fact that pros skip it in favor of maxing passive first is just mind-boggling.
    Its also worth looking at it from the other side too. What the fuck is Brewmaster going to do when he's skipped one of his other abilities, probably Drunken Brawler, to level up Drunken Haze and is hanging around without using his ult to keep teams on lockdown? He's probably going to be annoying, but outright dangerous? Probably not. He's also far more vulnerable to being Silenced or CCed before he even has a chance to Ult should he need to. Being unable to ult removes a huge chunk of his team fight presence right there and then. Of course if you're buying Aghs its a different story entirely, but by the time in the game you have it people would usually have BKB's and such anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Did you take that seriously?

    Also one match doesnt' make a great example.
    no, but people saying he needs nerfs because they cant counter is equally silly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyi View Post
    no, but people saying he needs nerfs because they cant counter is equally silly
    That game proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you can't counter Storm Spirit. VG did EXACTLY what they needed to do. They drafted Rhasta for the instant hex, and they ganked aggressively to virtually shut SumaiL out of lane to the point that he was dying so much he had to walk back to lane because his TP was on cooldown.

    It literally could not go better for the team seeking to "counter" Storm Spirit. Yes, it's a single game, but it's also a game involving two of the highest-tier teams in their respective regions and perfectly showcases how very little "countering" Storm Spirit actually accomplishes.

    Yes, Storm Spirit needs nerfs. I'd say he needs nerfs more than anything else in the entire game. Even Shrapnel, Eul's, blinker, and fucking Homing Missile aren't anywhere near as ridiculous as Storm Spirit is.
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  12. #18012
    honestly i don't think battle hunger is bad by any stretch of the imagination, i just think berserker's call and counter helix are better

    i would never max battle hunger over counter helix if i was playing axe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    honestly i don't think battle hunger is bad by any stretch of the imagination, i just think berserker's call and counter helix are better

    i would never max battle hunger over counter helix if i was playing axe
    Over Counter Helix I wouldn't either, but maybe over Berserker's Call.

  14. #18014
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Over Counter Helix I wouldn't either, but maybe over Berserker's Call.
    sure, but i would absolutely put a point into berserker's call before i put a point into battle hunger

    i don't know
    whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    sure, but i would absolutely put a point into berserker's call before i put a point into battle hunger

    i don't know
    whatever
    I fully agree with you. Honestly, last time I played Axe I'm pretty sure I skipped battle hunger completely until both were maxed, but like, that was before the buffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    sure, but i would absolutely put a point into berserker's call before i put a point into battle hunger

    i don't know
    whatever
    Nit picking a hero that has a skill requirement of zero is a bad use of your precious time.

    Elevate the discussion to talk of heroes that demand the monitor actually be on in order to win.
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  17. #18017
    I skip hunger now, it just doesn't do enough damage for me anymore, I'd rather rush blink and have the mana for multiple berserkers in a fight and then go full douchebag mode with armlet SY etc or else get scepter and then get hunger in later levels.

    And Storm needs nerfs, but VG was very heavily outdrafted in general by EG that game. Though, it is still a very fine showcase for how stupidly broken the hero is. Once he got Orchid the game was over, VG's only way to stop him was auto-disabled by immune-Spirit. Which is the worst part about him. It's funny, if they removed the ability for him to use items during his ult, he'd probably become trash tier instantly, in spite of how ridiculous powerful he still is naked. But, for all his strengths and lack of weaknesses, that's really the one thing that tips him over the edge of "how the fuck is this seriously still a part of the game."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Nit picking a hero that has a skill requirement of zero is a bad use of your precious time.

    Elevate the discussion to talk of heroes that demand the monitor actually be on in order to win.
    That isn't how discussions work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyi View Post
    no, but people saying he needs nerfs because they cant counter is equally silly
    There are plenty of counters to Storm, but very little shuts him down for real. He doesn't need an awful lot to become a relevant hero, and in today's multicore lineup he only needs to be a contributing factor, which he is in spades.

  20. #18020
    I don't think Storm is really counterable in any reasonable manner. Global silence is about the only thing, and he can BKB out of that easily. Lets look at all the other broken heroes, though, for comparison:

    Omni - broken as hell, buy diffusal and you pretty much erase him from the game
    Void - broken as hell, but if you pick dark seer you can vacuum his entire team into the Chrono + you can harass him pretty hard in lane with ion shell. Add in any hero that can disrupt allies (SD, OD, pugna) and you're gold
    Tinker - broken as hell, but you don't have to counter him because nobody will pick him now that he requires more than one finger to play
    Lina - broken as hell, well actually you can't do much about this one but since she's a pure caster she's only really guaranteed one kill per team fight and she's vulnerable to being snapped in two by a right clicker
    Storm - cry a lot, try to feed as little as possible and pray you can beat the other 4 members of his team hard enough that he can't 1v5

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