1. #18561
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I didnt say you did buy it, I was being flippant. SOMEONE has to buy it. Its good for you yes, you got some money from a sucker. The person who spend the $75 needs their head checked.
    To some people, $75 is a drop in a bucket. They want something cool to show off, and don't want to waste the money opening crate after crate? That's great, I was able to help them, and they gave me a heck of a lot more than I paid for the courier. I'm good with my Azuremir, which is why I sold the Doomling too.

    I'm not gonna buy tons and tons of the current crate until I get the Faceless Rex personally, but if I happen to get one, I'd be happy.

  2. #18562
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    To some people, $75 is a drop in a bucket. They want something cool to show off, and don't want to waste the money opening crate after crate? That's great, I was able to help them, and they gave me a heck of a lot more than I paid for the courier. I'm good with my Azuremir, which is why I sold the Doomling too.

    I'm not gonna buy tons and tons of the current crate until I get the Faceless Rex personally, but if I happen to get one, I'd be happy.
    By all accounts you got pretty lucky and made a profit, that will be one of the rarer cases haha. But anyway, I've said my bit. I'm just glad I have more sense with my money and can see it for what it is. If $75 is nothing to someone and they choose to waste it on a video game for a vanity item I wouldn't want to know them anyway. Donate it to an animal shelter or the red cross. That would feel better than "Wow cool courier man"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeafmuncher View Post
    At least you can buy your own euls to dodge the euls setups from the enemy team. Euls for days!
    I was watching one of the MVP v RAVE games and there was a point where one guy was literally hit with a cyclone four times in a row. Lina lifts him, he lifts himself to dodge the stun, then two other guys on the other team lift him sequentially and he gets hit with a stun as he lands the 4th time and gets obliterated.

    Stupidest fucking shit in the world.

    Lotus orb could be a little cheaper too. It's a fun item but very rarely worth the money.
    Seems to be an item good mostly only against bad players, and also somewhat useless. Rexxar is still going to stun you - his teamfight contribution is his stun, so he doesn't care if he gets stunned in return. It's also obviated (whee, fancy word!) by AOE effects, which includes Nyx stun, Lion stun, burrowstrike, fissure, etc. Probably too expensive for its limited usefulness, but they also need to be very careful about buffing it because it's the kind of item that could rapidly end up being overpowered.

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    Some clarification on False Promise since people still don't understand it, apparently:

    - When False Promise ends, all healing received during the buff is doubled and then applied. Immediately afterwards, all damage taken during the buff is applied as direct HP Removal, killing the target if possible. The kill is credited to whoever did the fatal damage. The damage is stored and dealt in instances in the same order and the same amounts they were recorded in.

    - Shallow Grave will prevent someone from dying to False Promise. Borrowed Time will turn the damage into a heal (but only if it's already active when the damage is applied, since it will otherwise immediately kill Abbadon, bypassing Borrowed Time as per normal mechanics for that skill.) Axe can dunk someone through False Promise and someone affected by Ice Blast can still shatter.

    - Since the healing is applied before the damage, it doesn't matter how much healing you absorb during False Promise. If you take damage equal to or greater than your total health, you will instantly die when False Promise ends. The only situation where healing absorbed matters is when you took less than your total health in damage - so False Promise is pretty terrible for actually preventing someone's death when they're being focused by the enemy team, it just delays the inevitable.

    - False Promise is much better used proactively as a constant strong dispel on a target, basically a super BKB for them. Anything they're hit with will be almost immediately removed, so it's essentially up to 8 seconds of playing with IDDQD for them. False Promise is very strong used offensively and very weak used defensively.
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    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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  4. #18564
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    - When False Promise ends, all healing received during the buff is doubled and then applied. Immediately afterwards, all damage taken during the buff is applied as direct HP Removal, killing the target if possible. The kill is credited to whoever did the fatal damage. The damage is stored and dealt in instances in the same order and the same amounts they were recorded in.

    - Since the healing is applied before the damage, it doesn't matter how much healing you absorb during False Promise. If you take damage equal to or greater than your total health, you will instantly die when False Promise ends. The only situation where healing absorbed matters is when you took less than your total health in damage - so False Promise is pretty terrible for actually preventing someone's death when they're being focused by the enemy team, it just delays the inevitable.
    This is evidently false. A level 3 Aghanims Scepter Laguna Blade can't kill a target under False Promise if you heal it enough even if the target has less maximum health then Laguna Blade has damage. In my test a level 1 Troll Warlord with no items and 473 HP will not die when put under False Promise, an enemy Lina uses a level 3 Aghanims Scepter upgraded Laguna Blade on him (950 damage), an Omniknight casts 1 Purification (360 heal x2 =720 health) and Troll Warlord is reduced to 255 health and Troll Warlord does not die. If it worked like you suggest he would die. Instead he takes 950-(360x2)= 230 damage which for some reason I do not know in practice is 218 in the game and the combat log.

  5. #18565
    damn it, i want the dk set so bad :/
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  6. #18566
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    By all accounts you got pretty lucky and made a profit, that will be one of the rarer cases haha. But anyway, I've said my bit. I'm just glad I have more sense with my money and can see it for what it is. If $75 is nothing to someone and they choose to waste it on a video game for a vanity item I wouldn't want to know them anyway. Donate it to an animal shelter or the red cross. That would feel better than "Wow cool courier man"
    i have dropped like 650 dollars on dota two and i only got hats and tournament tickets in return
    to me that's not much money at all, but i understand how it is a lot of money to most other people on earth.

    i dont see how spending disposable income on a hobby is "wasting money" at all

  7. #18567
    I'm off to the animal shelter forums to wag my finger at them for spending money on dog food instead of dota chests.
    "I'm not stuck in the trench, I'm maintaining my rating."

  8. #18568
    Quote Originally Posted by LiiLoSNK View Post
    I'm off to the animal shelter forums to wag my finger at them for spending money on dog food instead of dota chests.
    I love you when I'm not disagreeing with you.

  9. #18569
    Quote Originally Posted by LiiLoSNK View Post
    I'm off to the animal shelter forums to wag my finger at them for spending money on dog food instead of dota chests.
    Speaking of shelters, don't you have a home to go too? I already tried saying twice I had said my bit for you to drag it up again to get the last word.

  10. #18570
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Speaking of shelters, don't you have a home to go too? I already tried saying twice I had said my bit for you to drag it up again to get the last word.
    I was reinforcing Longview's/Jester Joe's position with comedic satire. No need to get bent out of shape, friend.
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  11. #18571
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    By all accounts you got pretty lucky and made a profit, that will be one of the rarer cases haha. But anyway, I've said my bit. I'm just glad I have more sense with my money and can see it for what it is. If $75 is nothing to someone and they choose to waste it on a video game for a vanity item I wouldn't want to know them anyway. Donate it to an animal shelter or the red cross. That would feel better than "Wow cool courier man"
    I have a courier worth around $100+ last I checked and I'm perfectly happy with it. Would I feel better having spent that money on a shelter? Not really, it's not going to save anybody's life despite what the television tells you. Most charities are a waste of money already and actively scam people out of their paychecks. Knowing that, I don't derive any satisfaction from having "helped" out, so it is not a better use of my spare change. After all, the only real reason people donate to charity is to make themselves feel better, so if I can't even get that out of it, it is a REAL problem.

    People blow their money on whatever makes them happy. Some people spend $120 a week on alcohol at the pub, but nobody says a word about that. Some people buy clothes, or fancy cars, some people buy couriers. I don't see any of these things as more or less stupid than any other.

  12. #18572
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    I have a courier worth around $100+ last I checked and I'm perfectly happy with it. Would I feel better having spent that money on a shelter? Not really, it's not going to save anybody's life despite what the television tells you. Most charities are a waste of money already and actively scam people out of their paychecks. Knowing that, I don't derive any satisfaction from having "helped" out, so it is not a better use of my spare change. After all, the only real reason people donate to charity is to make themselves feel better, so if I can't even get that out of it, it is a REAL problem.

    People blow their money on whatever makes them happy. Some people spend $120 a week on alcohol at the pub, but nobody says a word about that. Some people buy clothes, or fancy cars, some people buy couriers. I don't see any of these things as more or less stupid than any other.
    So giving to charity's is pointless and people only do it to make themselves feel better. Cool. I hope you never fall into hard times or get sick.

  13. #18573
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    So giving to charity's is pointless and people only do it to make themselves feel better. Cool. I hope you never fall into hard times or get sick.
    To get political on this one, in my opinion charity is mainly a tool to make people forget that the system basically robs certain groups of people, because morality demands to help them, many people help them by charity, while it would be better to change the system that certain groups no longer rely on charity.

    Good example: Christmas time, behave like an asshole during Spring, Summer and Autumn and nobody cares but fear the wrath of society when you don't help others during december.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noorri View Post
    This is evidently false. A level 3 Aghanims Scepter Laguna Blade can't kill a target under False Promise if you heal it enough even if the target has less maximum health then Laguna Blade has damage. In my test a level 1 Troll Warlord with no items and 473 HP will not die when put under False Promise, an enemy Lina uses a level 3 Aghanims Scepter upgraded Laguna Blade on him (950 damage), an Omniknight casts 1 Purification (360 heal x2 =720 health) and Troll Warlord is reduced to 255 health and Troll Warlord does not die. If it worked like you suggest he would die. Instead he takes 950-(360x2)= 230 damage which for some reason I do not know in practice is 218 in the game and the combat log.
    Sounds like a bug that, like most bugs, will never get fixed, or there's some kind of odd interaction going on in there (maybe it's treating the pure dmg as magic dmg and reducing it? But that should still kill troll anyway.)

    The damage is supposed to be applied after the healing, as direct HP removal. The healing is applied, and then after the healing is applied, the damage is applied. A target taking damage equal to or greater than their total health should die. Have you tried testing it with other sources of damage? What about a Sven just pounding on the troll, etc? That sounds like a bug.
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  15. #18575
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    To get political on this one, in my opinion charity is mainly a tool to make people forget that the system basically robs certain groups of people, because morality demands to help them, many people help them by charity, while it would be better to change the system that certain groups no longer rely on charity.

    Good example: Christmas time, behave like an asshole during Spring, Summer and Autumn and nobody cares but fear the wrath of society when you don't help others during december.
    Charitys like businesses, you have your good and bad ones. Theres always going to be a small minority that tries siphoning cash in any shape or form and this can be in the form of charity. But to dismiss all charity's is incredibly dismissive and ignorant.

    I can only speak from experience working with saint vincent de paul group doing food parcels and giving food to families struggling to survive is incredibly satisfying and rewarding and you generally make a difference without much individual effort.

    And you mention Christmas as an example, well lets use the earlier example of the $75 dollar courier. $75 could make the difference between no Christmas and an actual enjoyable experience for one family. I realize how ridiculous this statement is in a dota 2 forum, but I hope at least few people might look at such frivolous spending in a different light. And their justifications only confirms the ignorance (how is different to alcohol, cars, fancy clothes) those things are a waste too!!

    This isnt just a dota 2 issue but a shift in the gaming market to micro transactions, selling mounts and different artwork skins for silly money. I'd rather pay $100 for a good game that comes with everything and isn't this in your face money grab cesspit.

  16. #18576
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Sounds like a bug that, like most bugs, will never get fixed, or there's some kind of odd interaction going on in there (maybe it's treating the pure dmg as magic dmg and reducing it? But that should still kill troll anyway.)

    The damage is supposed to be applied after the healing, as direct HP removal. The healing is applied, and then after the healing is applied, the damage is applied. A target taking damage equal to or greater than their total health should die. Have you tried testing it with other sources of damage? What about a Sven just pounding on the troll, etc? That sounds like a bug.
    It should be a bug, but it's somehow intended, despite the wording on the spell. Blademail interacts the same ass backwards way with healing like bloodrage.

    @Roberto
    This isn't gen OT, but you did pretty much just confirm that you only do charity work because it makes you feel good about yourself. How much donation is acceptable to make someone a good person? Can I spend $75 on a courier if I also spent $500 on poor people this month? Or is it still a waste? Should I give literally all of my excess money to charity?

  17. #18577
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Charitys like businesses, you have your good and bad ones. Theres always going to be a small minority that tries siphoning cash in any shape or form and this can be in the form of charity. But to dismiss all charity's is incredibly dismissive and ignorant.
    You're not getting what i'm trying to say.

    Charity is like handing out Band-Aids while there's murderer on the loose, sure there are people who are grateful for those band-aids and they might help some but it won't do much in the greater picture.

    Charity works for helping special cases, sole people who have really fallen on hard times because of whatnot but Charity cannot fix really major issues because you'll never be able to afford the amount of money needed to fix those issues by charity.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    And you mention Christmas as an example, well lets use the earlier example of the $75 dollar courier. $75 could make the difference between no Christmas and an actual enjoyable experience for one family. I realize how ridiculous this statement is in a dota 2 forum, but I hope at least few people might look at such frivolous spending in a different light. And their justifications only confirms the ignorance (how is different to alcohol, cars, fancy clothes) those things are a waste too!!
    They live in shit for 364 days a year, but at least they had a happy christmas.

    Also, you hand out money to a sole family? How about the family next door? Who decides which family has a happy christmas? You? Pure Chance? The charity organization?

    You can help sole people with charity, the rest who doesn't receive charity still sits in shit and charity sadly helps others to overlook those.

    Last Post on this topic from me, because Off-topic.

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    Hey, shoo you to the GOT, i don't want to see GOT when i'm off work.
    You should be ashamed!

    Why did the decided to put this fucking ugly Rubick set in the chest, i personally really like all other stuff in it, but i;m afraid of getting fucking Rubick set. and spedning more than for 1 chest is not an option for me because there is summer sale soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Why did the decided to put this fucking ugly Rubick set in the chest, i personally really like all other stuff in it, but i;m afraid of getting fucking Rubick set. and spedning more than for 1 chest is not an option for me because there is summer sale soon
    I got the Rubick set, and actually unbundled it.
    I feel like I made a terrible mistake, and should of just destroyed it for 2 levels.

  20. #18580
    Come on its not the best in the pack, but its not that bad. Its kinda different.

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