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    Quote Originally Posted by EqualWin View Post
    as tiny I think you just go blink treads aghs mom w.e u want, blink is just way too good.. help u with farm and u get ez kills since u can kill 1 shot one with ur combo.

    aghs ac travel bfly/satanic manta/bkb Daedalus is one of the best item on tiny late game.
    Yeah I went like, Treads->Blink->Aghs or Crystalys, the last thing I got was a Hyperstone, so that's the worst choice I did I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    The gold cost is irrelevant, and so is the slot cost. These items are also "best in slot" items for the heroes that have those item-hero interactions. Lina will never sell her cheatstick. Slark will never sell his Shadowblade, instead upgrading it to Silver Edge eventually. These items are quite simply the best possible use of that gold, for that hero
    Blink dagger is 2200? That's almost a sang or yasha, it's a hyper stone, it's almost a neschermedts. If you knew how not to.ober extend yourself you'd could get away with not needing blink and get your actual core items faster.

    How.is a Eul's again? I get that these items make sense on some heroes but the idea that their so powerful cause they save your ass from playing poorly and thus they need to be nerfed is dumb. They have a gold cost you pay the price it's a non irellevant cost because if you played properly and didn't extend or landed your skill shots you couldmskipnthd Eul's blink dagger whatever and go for actual.items that increase your ability to kick ass.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Blink dagger is 2200? That's almost a sang or yasha, it's a hyper stone, it's almost a neschermedts. If you knew how not to.ober extend yourself you'd could get away with not needing blink and get your actual core items faster.

    How.is a Eul's again? I get that these items make sense on some heroes but the idea that their so powerful cause they save your ass from playing poorly and thus they need to be nerfed is dumb. They have a gold cost you pay the price it's a non irellevant cost because if you played properly and didn't extend or landed your skill shots you couldmskipnthd Eul's blink dagger whatever and go for actual.items that increase your ability to kick ass.
    You aren't reading.

    These items are the best items for the gold for these heroes. Period. There are no better items you can spend that gold on. A Eul's is more powerful and useful than any other item for Lina. A Blink Dagger is more powerful and useful than any other item for, like... I dunno, 30 or 40 different heroes.
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    1 silence and a detection completely shutting down a non-bkb core makes slark pretty weak and somewhat easy to deal with. Needless to say he's obviously currently one of the lowest winrates of may + june. Plus the influx of people playing the equally tard friendly hero by the name of BLOODSEEKER, the sanguine seeking d-bag in the current top tier meta, means that people are afraid to pick slark anyways so I don't understand the slark hate as much as I would have understood it from like 3 or 6 months ago.

    Also how is there not an FPL discussion yet? Ti5 isn't the only thing that "matters" in dota.

    The pub-trash/streamer wars are equally important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    You aren't reading.

    These items are the best items for the gold for these heroes. Period. There are no better items you can spend that gold on. A Eul's is more powerful and useful than any other item for Lina. A Blink Dagger is more powerful and useful than any other item for, like... I dunno, 30 or 40 different heroes.
    Id rather get glimmer/shadowblade/blink on lina, spending 2.7k gold just to be able to land a 250 dmg stun ''somewhat reliably'' i mean you could just go and get a dagon for the same price and just not skill your stun and deal even more dmg with 0 skillshots insta `0 cast point zapping.
    Yeah and 100% of all heroes go for boots, should they remove boots or nerf them enough so that people have to chose between them and mangos?

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    i definitely dont agree that euls is 2 strong and NEEDS a nerf, but you are kinda underselling it, especially for a lina.
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    Got bored and bought the compendium chest thing. Got the Doomy set, which looks like ass. I'll trade it to someone else if they want it.
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  8. #18788
    Quote Originally Posted by LiiLoSNK View Post
    i definitely dont agree that euls is 2 strong and NEEDS a nerf, but you are kinda underselling it, especially for a lina.
    Not saying its bad just that compared to the other items around that price bracket its better or worse depending who you're playing against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1r4g3 View Post
    Id rather get glimmer/shadowblade/blink on lina, spending 2.7k gold just to be able to land a 250 dmg stun ''somewhat reliably'' i mean you could just go and get a dagon for the same price and just not skill your stun and deal even more dmg with 0 skillshots insta `0 cast point zapping.
    Yeah and 100% of all heroes go for boots, should they remove boots or nerf them enough so that people have to chose between them and mangos?
    lol, shadowblade.

    No, Eul's is the best choice for Lina even if you can land your stuns already. Why? Because it makes your stun unavoidable. 700 range cyclone into LSA into facerolling and it's a free kill with zero risk to the Lina. The only way to avoid it is to be magic immune or don't get within 700 range of Lina when her eul's is available.

    It also gives her good MP regen, a bit of INT, and a fuckton of move speed in a single slot.

    Eul's is by far the best possible item on Lina, just as it is on a lot of heroes. It's because the item is hideously overpowered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    lol, shadowblade.

    No, Eul's is the best choice for Lina even if you can land your stuns already. Why? Because it makes your stun unavoidable. 700 range cyclone into LSA into facerolling and it's a free kill with zero risk to the Lina. The only way to avoid it is to be magic immune or don't get within 700 range of Lina when her eul's is available.
    Having an Oracle around also helps. There is actually plenty of characters who can deal with Lina "unavoidable" combo. SD, OD, Silencer, Oracle, Pudge, Omni, etc. Also, bunch of items like BKB or glimmers cape or Linkens sphere
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  11. #18791
    force staff avoids it most of the time cause most linas suck with the timing, bkb ignores it, glimmer makes it irrelevant, shadowblade if she doesnt have detection, you can also orchid/hex her after it ends, it also takes like 5 seconds for her to do that entire combo which is enough of time for help to blink in and stun her or something. Thats quite a lot of stuff to avoid it?

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    Yep, the only way to see the scepter as unfair item on Lina is when you get caught up alone (read: no allies in 1k radius) in scouted place and killed. There is just no way to get away from her if she has enough mana. Even if there is an ally in 1k radius, when you get popped up Lina is long way gone thanks to MS boost from fiery soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Having an Oracle around also helps. There is actually plenty of characters who can deal with Lina "unavoidable" combo. SD, OD, Silencer, Oracle, Pudge, Omni, etc. Also, bunch of items like BKB or glimmers cape or Linkens sphere
    Not really. The stun lands immediately after the cyclone ends, followed by the ult and dragon slave and autoattacks. None of those heroes have a fast enough castpoint to save someone from it after it's already started. That's kind of the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Not really. The stun lands immediately after the cyclone ends, followed by the ult and dragon slave and autoattacks. None of those heroes have a fast enough castpoint to save someone from it after it's already started. That's kind of the point.
    I definitely remember being able to throw Shallow Grave on target of Linas' burst. It's not impossible or something too hard to do. Lina has worst cast animations in whole game, at worst, your ally will eat a stun and slave but will avoid ult
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    Well i really "enjoy" seeing enemy Tiny who rushed Aghs TPing to tower via wisp and murdering it to the ground with MoM active. Not a foolproof strategy, but it's very annoying to go "yay, free Roshan, oh wait our rax are gone". Frankly, same can be told about CK+wisp.
    It was also fun to see Tiny one shotting supports with crits, or melting through Naixs' lifesteal and stomping him into the ground. Simple Hypertone gives Tiny a huge powerspike, put a crit item on top of that extra 100 damage he gets from ult - perfect melee carry. The problem is delivering said carry to proper targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    That was a quite one-sided game.

    Relevant to Lina discussion - tutorial how to deal with Lina+scepter at 22:00
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    That was a quite one-sided game.

    Relevant to Lina discussion - tutorial how to deal with Lina+scepter at 22:00
    I don't think so, we were getting dumped on early game. They just fucked up by diving tier 2s and feeding. They predictably lost to a team of carrys late game after they failed to get early rax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charge me Doctor View Post
    That was a quite one-sided game.

    Relevant to Lina discussion - tutorial how to deal with Lina+scepter at 22:00
    Doesn't apply to bad players that fuck up their timing and play like shit. Bad players play bad, more at 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Not really. The stun lands immediately after the cyclone ends, followed by the ult and dragon slave and autoattacks. None of those heroes have a fast enough castpoint to save someone from it after it's already started. That's kind of the point.
    Fate's Edict has shorter cast point than Laguna, and Laguna has projectile time on top of the cast time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    Fate's Edict has shorter cast point than Laguna, and Laguna has projectile time on top of the cast time.
    Fine, so a single hero exists that can do something about her autowin combo, and he isn't even in CM because everyone knows how broken he still is.
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