1. #19801
    Regardless what happens with C9 after disband, I guess we wouldnt mind some of their players to cast games. BTS casting by C9 had amazing insight imo, also many different point of views. After that I learned that probably they are so different personalities and the way they think about stuff in game can bring some fresh stuff in that scene. As players it was probably really rough for them...

    I missed bruno, so much this TI, pre games with bruno on backstage was really something worth watching between games. I wasnt able to enjoy pre game cast this time.
    I didnt understood lack of cyclopz & maut either. You can have mixed feeling about the first one but I think bringing something different to the table can be refreshing, and they actually did quite some for the community.
    Before Ti4 I enjoyed capitalist quite some, now I just like him. I cant stand totally ODpixel and Tobi... God forbid.
    Last edited by Sorcereria; 2015-08-14 at 11:38 PM.

  2. #19802
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    It did look he was mad at Kuroky. To me, Kuroky seems like a pain in the ass to play with. He has a huge ego and is annoyingly passive-aggressive. You can just tell from his demeanor. It's no surprise that Dendi was mad at Kuroky too after they lost to Alliance because Kuroky tried to make decisions for Dendi which resulted in them losing that crucial Rosh fight. I thikn XBOCT also was mad as fuck after that loss. I think Kuroky is one of those players that tell others how to play. It's super annoying to deal with. When people try to do that to me in pubs I just get annoyed as fuck.
    Yeah we certainly only get part of the story, so there might be a reason, but it still doesn't look good on his part.

    I was most disappointed by the fact that Secret apparenty had super secret strategies they refused to show other teams in preparation for TI5, and then they pick nothing but FOTM heroes the entire time. They showed off Luna, and that was great for a game or two, then she got banned and they apparently didn't practice any other hero, and then they just flat out lost anyway with picking her.

    Though, IMO, biggest reason Secret got eliminated was that they refused to ban Storm Spirit. So much arrogance from the pro community about that hero not being overpowered, so many teams eating losses because of it. We saw ppd man the fuck up and ban BH and Tusk, two heroes that just so happened to ALWAYS be on the enemy team when EG lost.
    Last edited by Lysah; 2015-08-14 at 11:39 PM.

  3. #19803
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Yeah we certainly only get part of the story, so there might be a reason, but it still doesn't look good on his part.

    I was most disappointed by the fact that Secret apparenty had super secret strategies they refused to show other teams in preparation for TI5, and then they pick nothing but FOTM heroes the entire time. They showed off Luna, and that was great for a game or two, then she got banned and they apparently didn't practice any other hero, and then they just flat out lost anyway with picking her.

    Though, IMO, biggest reason Secret got eliminated was that they refused to ban Storm Spirit. So much arrogance from the pro community about that hero not being overpowered, so many teams eating losses because of it. We saw ppd man the fuck up and ban BH and Tusk, two heroes that just so happened to ALWAYS be on the enemy team when EG lost.
    I mean if you watched that game, Kuroky fucked up so much that game. It was the game you missed I think where s4 was playing Storm and Secret had a huge lead. All Kuroky needed to do that game was stay back and ultimate the Anti-Mage and use his heal as WW. Kuroky instead ulties illusions two times that lost them the fights.

    Storm was an issue for Secret for sure. They just didn't deal with him, drafts were weak. I do think Secret had a decent plan last game except for that tiny detail that they relied on s4 getting a fast Hex.

  4. #19804
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    I mean if you watched that game, Kuroky fucked up so much that game. It was the game you missed I think where s4 was playing Storm and Secret had a huge lead. All Kuroky needed to do that game was stay back and ultimate the Anti-Mage and use his heal as WW. Kuroky instead ulties illusions two times that lost them the fights.

    Storm was an issue for Secret for sure. They just didn't deal with him, drafts were weak. I do think Secret had a decent plan last game except for that tiny detail that they relied on s4 getting a fast Hex.
    Weak drafts definitely, makes you wonder if they just didn't prepare for TI5 at all. Along with EG and VG, Secret had the strongest lineup of players coming into this tournament by far, there was really no excuse for them to not make top 3. I think their arrogance as a team, collectively, held them back, they seemed to know they were the best and they let that ruin them. But, it's hard to get the full picture. After the fact, it looks like there was a lot less team unity than most of us thought, and that can easily be why they lost.

    Didn't watch s4 play Storm no, wasn't that against iG though? They got eliminated by even worse drafts, like picking Axe SF and QoP. Picking 0 hard CC against Storm is pretty lol worthy, VP wasn't even very good with the hero, but the you don't have to be a good Storm player to wreck even Secret with the hero when they can't lock you down.

    http://esportsexpress.com/2015/08/se...huffle-period/
    well this is oddly relevant and coincidental timing
    Last edited by Lysah; 2015-08-14 at 11:59 PM.

  5. #19805
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    "Doesn't follow him or watch him play" -> still has opinion about him and saying he doesn't deserve to win anything while knowing nothing about him.
    I've watched him play enough to know that when he wins he wins hard and when he loses he loses hard. I never said my opinion on him is based on his play, because it mostly isn't, but I've seen enough to be rather unimpressed, even if his team underperforming made him look unusually good towards the end of TI.

    "Nothing impressive except attack creeps in every game". Yeah, you're just stupid and bad at the game.
    While this comment by itself is hilarious it becomes doubly hilarious knowing you've actually played like a 100 games with me but me insulting your hero made you so angry you're just pretending you haven't.

    I hate players like Arteezy because they always come off as arrogant, childish and disrespectful whenever they get their hands on social media or any form of communication. I've disliked him ever since I saw his stupid rage reaction "con fucking grats you can buy null talis" because he lost some 1v1 competition to some no name and it's only gone downhill from that. Lately everything he says seems to become a super dank twitch maymay which doesn't help. Maybe I'm prejudiced and wrong, maybe it's a stupid reason to hate a player, maybe he just keeps it up because any PR is good PR, I don't care because my opinion isn't changing until he manages to positively impress me. Meanwhile the best carry in the world has been in EG and won nothing as winner favorites, and he's been in secret and won nothing as a winner favorite and I fully expect him to lose the first major and reshuffle some more after if nothing drastic happens. I'm surprised ppd didn't tweet "one less ego two more championships" after TI5 but maybe the salt has finally dissolved.

    And before someone nitpicks only DAC and TI count as real tournaments as far as I'm concerned.

  6. #19806
    I actually enjoy some of the memes RTZ has created, but I do think he (and pretty much all the rest of the pros) need to stop treating twitter like a pile of shit. Makes the entire dota2 player base look like a bunch of children. These are the people the rest of the world sees after they read news articles about 20 million dollar prize pool video game, ladies and gentlemen.

    I was also extremely disappointed in ppd for not retweeting "one less ego one more championship" after TI5. He seems to be pushing his salt persona much less in general, lately.
    Last edited by Lysah; 2015-08-15 at 12:17 AM.

  7. #19807
    After news of Cloud9 disbanding, sources say Jacky “EternaLEnVy” Mao is already hard at work forming his next team, NoStormSpirit.
    Hah. Called it.
    "I'm not stuck in the trench, I'm maintaining my rating."

  8. #19808
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    Rich 19 year old is immature.

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

  9. #19809
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Didn't watch s4 play Storm no, wasn't that against iG though? They got eliminated by even worse drafts, like picking Axe SF and QoP. Picking 0 hard CC against Storm is pretty lol worthy, VP wasn't even very good with the hero, but the you don't have to be a good Storm player to wreck even Secret with the hero when they can't lock you down.
    Yeah, but it was after the IG game where Arteezy stood up and talked to Kuroky.

    I mean, go back and watch that last game vs VP. s4 managed to die like 5 fights in a row without using ultimate. He blinked in, next to every stunner on VP, gets stunned and dies. It's not like VP jump s4. s4 jumps them and dies. Great plays. Like almost every fight he fucked up.

    Also look at this fight: http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti/v/9920754?t=5h5m43s. How many times can one man fuck up? Zai Vacuum Wall. That is the easiest Blink Scream Ultimate on Silencer. Nope, s4 doesn't use Scream first and Silencer lives with like 100 HP. Ok, so he fucked up. His team realizes they shouldn't chase. Notice how every single one of s4's teammates start to turn back. What does s4 do? He blinks into the enemy with Orchid and BKB on CD, downhill, against a Lina with Euls and Global ready while his team is in base.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    While this comment by itself is hilarious it becomes doubly hilarious knowing you've actually played like a 100 games with me but me insulting your hero made you so angry you're just pretending you haven't.

    I hate players like Arteezy because they always come off as arrogant, childish and disrespectful whenever they get their hands on social media or any form of communication.
    Arteezy looked good entire TI imo and on all LANs leading up to that.

    I have played with you, mostly AR. You know my opinion of AR. I just fuck around there and I don't judge anyone's skill based on what they do in AR. I do however question your ability to recognize skill if you think Arteezy wasn't performing extremely well this TI.

    I mean, have you seen any Arteezy interviews? He's nowhere near how he is on stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXs6Sj9xVxY. One of his first interviews and compare that to Sumail or any other random pro and you see that Arteezy seems much less awkward. Did you see his TI interview? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emQJCCA5tLc. Does he come off as childish, arrogant and disrespectful? But I bet you don't bother with that stuff but judge his character off tiny snippets your see from reddit or some shit.
    Last edited by mmoc9f3c8526e6; 2015-08-15 at 12:39 AM.

  10. #19810
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    I was also extremely disappointed in ppd for not retweeting "one less ego one more championship" after TI5. He seems to be pushing his salt persona much less in general, lately.
    cant retweet your own tweets

  11. #19811
    Even his stream isn't bad compared to most pros (other than his music).
    Yeah NA twitter humor

  12. #19812
    Quote Originally Posted by Longview View Post
    cant retweet your own tweets
    Shorthand for "tweet the exact same message again" (not that I knew that anyway)

    @s4doto
    Yeah, chasing with QoP was probably a mistake, but like I said when it happened, they had already lost the game at that point, they kind of had to go for big plays. He wanted to catch someone but VP were already gone, his real mistake was thinking he could catch a hero as broken as Lina with a hero as balanced as QoP (yeah I just said QoP is balanced lolol no but seriously please make her ult not do pure damage anymore). s4 seems to be playing worse since he had to start being the leader, but that's expected, most drafters and leaders play supports, not mids. This makes Puppey every bit as much to blame in my opinion.

    ppd gets made fun of a lot for having the lowest average net worth in all of pro doto, but I think it just goes to show the power of a position 5 who doesn't actually play the game and, instead, just watches what everyone else does so he can make decisions. I think there's a good reason ppd likes tree and CM so much, you don't have to actually look at your hero ever to contribute.
    Last edited by Lysah; 2015-08-15 at 01:24 AM.

  13. #19813
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    Aui_2000 kicked from EG. LOL. Either all pros are just having fun on Twitter or this is some shit.

  14. #19814
    Fear goes 4, arteezy rejoins and goes 1.
    "I'm not stuck in the trench, I'm maintaining my rating."

  15. #19815
    It got confirmed by EG manager, I don't think he would troll. Pretty sad news for Aui since he's a huge reason they won. Most teams, and especially CDEC, wasted all their bans on him, specifically, which is what allowed EG to pick whatever they wanted for everybody else.

    Oh well, RIP EG, it was fun being a fan for the last year, enjoy dropping to tier 2 team status. China should enjoy the free wins for the next few majors. I just don't see this roster working out.

  16. #19816
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    Arteezy looked good entire TI imo and on all LANs leading up to that.

    I have played with you, mostly AR. You know my opinion of AR. I just fuck around there and I don't judge anyone's skill based on what they do in AR. I do however question your ability to recognize skill if you think Arteezy wasn't performing extremely well this TI.

    I mean, have you seen any Arteezy interviews? He's nowhere near how he is on stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXs6Sj9xVxY. One of his first interviews and compare that to Sumail or any other random pro and you see that Arteezy seems much less awkward. Did you see his TI interview? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emQJCCA5tLc. Does he come off as childish, arrogant and disrespectful? But I bet you don't bother with that stuff but judge his character off tiny snippets your see from reddit or some shit.
    AR often feels like playing reborn with 5 stack, which is that the other team seems to have solid 2k lower average MMR than your team. However since it's been like literally 10 years since I played with a group where people don't random it's hard to play very seriously, ever.

    I've seen interviews but I dunno, it's not uncommon for people who act out in the internet to act normal in real life... especially on camera with mommy and daddy watching.

    Now that RTZ is back to ruining EG just when I almost liked them my wish is for western shuffle to end up with 1 whole team worth rooting for. Maybe 4 anchors will stop throwing easy games. Or maybe western teams aren't worth it any more.

  17. #19817
    inb4 dendi and xboct join secret to replace s4 rtz
    "I'm not stuck in the trench, I'm maintaining my rating."

  18. #19818
    nice roster EG real funny see you at FUCK YOUJ

    You heard it here first folks.

  19. #19819
    wtf!!!!! What is EG thinking??? How can they kick Aui2000 after winning TI for RTZ of all people. Times like this I'm glad I'm not a professional gamer. That shit is no job security

  20. #19820

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