[Megathread] DotA 2

[Siggi]

So anyone else hyped for the defense 2 finals tonight?

[Ultraviolet Harmonies]

So anyone else hyped for the defense 2 finals tonight?

coL looks incredibly strong, but mouz looks to have their shit together at the moment. CLG vs. mouz is going to be great games, I'm sure.

[Deleted]

coL looks incredibly strong, but mouz looks to have their shit together at the moment. CLG vs. mouz is going to be great games, I'm sure.

Got a stream link and an eta for that ? Thanks in advance!

[Saynes]

Got a stream link and an eta for that ? Thanks in advance!

You can find dota2 streams on own3d.tv and twitch.tv

[Siggi]

http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan for the finals. They are scheduled at 20.00 cest, but might start sooner. It will me mousesports vs compLexity, both teams are looking really strong atm. And if you've never seen dota 2 before, these games are commentated by one of the very best commentators in e-sports.

[Finear]

you can find all important dota streams on http://www.joindota.com/en/start "Livestreams" section

[Jangri-]

The CLG vs mouz was pretty disappointing.

[Deleted]

http://www.joindota.com/en/live/tobiwan for the finals. They are scheduled at 20.00 cest, but might start sooner. It will me mousesports vs compLexity, both teams are looking really strong atm. And if you've never seen dota 2 before, these games are commentated by one of the very best commentators in e-sports.

Thanks, I see it started seconds ago.

[Kurdiern]

The CLG vs mouz was pretty disappointing.

Pretty much. They need to stop relying on Black to carry.

[Ultraviolet Harmonies]

Pretty much. They need to stop relying on Black to carry.

But they won. In the games against Complexity they were pretty out-classed though. Mouz is not bootcamping in preparation for TI2, so I guess in comparison they'd be playing less tight than what other teams are doing right now.

[Finear]

well 2nd place is still very good although i have no idea why they kept picking heroes for trilane vs prophet mid

[Kurdiern]

But they won. In the games against Complexity they were pretty out-classed though. Mouz is not bootcamping in preparation for TI2, so I guess in comparison they'd be playing less tight than what other teams are doing right now.

It's just more of a trend I see with Mouz overall. They can look amazing one day, and crappy the next. Black can carry hard, or he can't carry hard enough. They're one of my fav teams, but they kill me sometimes.

[PizzaSHARK]

It's just more of a trend I see with Mouz overall. They can look amazing one day, and crappy the next. Black can carry hard, or he can't carry hard enough. They're one of my fav teams, but they kill me sometimes.

They're amazingly inconsistent and they're way too reliant on Black to carry them. A couple of games where Black farmed all game but because the rest of the team was just feeding coL all game, Black couldn't pull it off in the end - eventually they catch Black out and either it's gg or Black buys back and they just take Rosh or whatever while that happens and push in again.

I definitely felt Mouz's overall picking was weaker than coL's, most of the time coL's teams had good synergy while mouz's picking was apparently, "hey I like this hero and this hero and this hero and that hero!" I love mouz, but I don't really expect them to ever win big if they don't shape up.

[Alraml]

It's just more of a trend I see with Mouz overall. They can look amazing one day, and crappy the next. Black can carry hard, or he can't carry hard enough. They're one of my fav teams, but they kill me sometimes.

I just hate that kind of play. It's like i'm watching the same game over and over. Teams should just focus more on semi carries and map control and less on these "Oh I hope the hard carry saves us" games

A lot of the time Black's builds were really risky as well. Going straight for Eblade into manta. It's like.... 1 stun and he's dead.

Too much coin flipping for my liking

[PizzaSHARK]

I just hate that kind of play. It's like i'm watching the same game over and over. Teams should just focus more on semi carries and map control and less on these "Oh I hope the hard carry saves us" games

A lot of the time Black's builds were really risky as well. Going straight for Eblade into manta. It's like.... 1 stun and he's dead.

Too much coin flipping for my liking

Yeah, despite all the hype leading up to it I actually skipped a significant portion of each game in The Defense grand finals because it was obvious who was gonna win.

---------- Post added 2012-08-13 at 11:30 PM ----------

Infused ran a Clockwerk versus Na'Vi in that AMD tournament and predictably they lost. I'm just not convinced Clockwerk is a useful hero. He seems like a hero that becomes more and more weak as the game goes later and later due to his pretty lackluster stats and lack of any real damage output. Flares are fucking incredible for the first 20 minutes of the game (fuck you, you don't get to use clarities) but 200 damage on a fairly lengthy cooldown plus travel time rapidly becomes negligible as the game goes later and heroes go from having 800 HP to having 1500 HP.

There were other issues with Infused's play leading to their loss (TA losing her lane vs Rubick in mid was probably the primary reason for the loss), but I never really got the impression that Clockwerk did anything useful all game, meaning it was essentially 4v5.

[Lillpapps]

There were other issues with Infused's play leading to their loss (TA losing her lane vs Rubick in mid was probably the primary reason for the loss), but I never really got the impression that Clockwerk did anything useful all game, meaning it was essentially 4v5.

The other issues was a bigger factor in the loss than the clockwerk pick. Clockwerk set up most of Infused kills so I cant understand how you can say that he didnt do anything useful all game.
Infused lost all 3 lanes and Na'Vi got a too big of a lead. The game was pretty much over after 10 minutes.

[Lysah]

Clock is one of the best initiators in my opinion...the real issue with him as a hero is he is 950% countered by one force staff. If they don't have that/blinks/etc. then a well placed cog on one or two heroes is a free team fight win.

[Ultraviolet Harmonies]

For those of you who think fantasy leagues are fun: http://fantasy.dota-academy.com/

Here's my team: http://i.imgur.com/lKR1C.png

[Lysah]

Speak of the devil, I just randomed clockwerk, currently 16-3-11. Kind of a demonstration of how good clock can be, although my enemies really aren't very good...


25-5-17 and my rating went down of course XDDDDD
Another example of why the skill rating means absolutely nothing.

[PizzaSHARK]

Clock is one of the best initiators in my opinion...the real issue with him as a hero is he is 950% countered by one force staff. If they don't have that/blinks/etc. then a well placed cog on one or two heroes is a free team fight win.

But he's entirely reliant on landing that Hookshot, and it's piss easy to avoid since if it touches ANYTHING but a hero, it's wasted. And even then, Clock himself isn't much of a threat due to his awful stats and the fact that his Q is pretty awful if there's more than one thing in range for it to shoot. Cogs are good, but so are Furion's trees.