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    Phase 1 has begun...

    Just ordered a Crucial MX500 1TB.

    In due time I'll be getting a 1TB NVMe as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evn View Post
    spending up new raise money?
    lol maaaaybe.

    I just need some extra space in my computer, tbh.

    I'm also planning on reinstalling Windows 10, I think. Or maybe I'll just clone it over to the new NVMe whenever I get that. We'll see. I'm really happy though with how long this computer has run so stable for.
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    Can I get an XPS13 with Lenovo Keyboard with a Ryzen 2700U, dual DIMM and WWAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Unimportant: no post count?! How will all the mobile users know how important I am?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    You made me giggle out loud at work sir!
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  6. #10466
    Can I complain?

    So my Gigabyte Z97X gaming 5 board with an I7 4790k has been acting up. Randomly the system would shut down and reboot under load, but not always. Sometimes it would do it randomly with no load (browsing webs), sometimes I could play games like D3 or WoW or FF14 for hours without issue, only to start a new game and it would reboot.

    I figured, power supply. I ran over to Microcenter and got the same supply I have, just a newer model. I carefully unplugged each "module" from the prior one and plugged them into the same, correct spots on the new one, sat it in the case, and pressed the power button. Click...and nothing. I saw the water cooler fan kick in, but that was it. I tried again. And again. I double-checked it was all plugged in, and it was - MB to MB, CPU to CPU, both VGA power cables, the SATA, the fans (peripherals), all of it. Finally I held the button down for 5 seconds and it turned on! Huzzah!\

    I smelled burning rubber immediately. I unplugged everything but it was too late. I watched the center wire in the 3-wire set connecting from the board to the power switch of the case melt. I unplugged everything but board and video card, and then shorted the power on the board to force it on. It booted! Wow! However, I found quickly that the cable to the power button wasn't the only thing to melt - the power to my 2TB SSD burned, badly:



    Long story short, I had to run out to Microcenter three times and ended up spending $1800 to essentially replace my entire system (I7 8700k, 16gb DDR4). I've lost everything. For years I've told myself to back up my system but I've never bothered to get around to it. Now I've paid the price. I'm going to try to recover the drive, but it's a long shot.

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    Holy shit man. Want to meet for a beer or something this week? I'll cover you.
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    That sucks, @Darsithis. D:

    I have to say, it's impressive that you're asking if you can "complain"... that would be far too mild a description for my mood. I'd probably be raging if that happened to me. You think you're doing the right thing by replacing a faulty part only to replace it with one that's an order of magnitude worse. Fucks sake...

    Speaking of backups (since I functionally don't have any either), what options do you guys employ / recommend? I've considered either buying a simple NAS enclosure or building a small server. Either way, I'd plop in several large capacity HDDs and run RAID 5. Thoughts? Some family member use some offsite backup service - Backblaze, I believe? - but I'm not sure how I feel about going that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Holy shit man. Want to meet for a beer or something this week? I'll cover you.
    Heh, thanks man but no time. I've gotta get a lot of overtime in to cover this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    That sucks, @Darsithis. D:

    I have to say, it's impressive that you're asking if you can "complain"... that would be far too mild a description for my mood. I'd probably be raging if that happened to me. You think you're doing the right thing by replacing a faulty part only to replace it with one that's an order of magnitude worse. Fucks sake...
    Oh I was ragey. I went from testing BfA to rebuilding a computer until 1am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    Speaking of backups (since I functionally don't have any either), what options do you guys employ / recommend? I've considered either buying a simple NAS enclosure or building a small server. Either way, I'd plop in several large capacity HDDs and run RAID 5. Thoughts? Some family member use some offsite backup service - Backblaze, I believe? - but I'm not sure how I feel about going that route.
    Well an easy way is an external drive. That's what I originally planned to do and probably could still do, as long as the external SSD is kept safe you really shouldn't have an issue. It certainly won't get fried

    Oh let's add some insult to injury, though...one of the new 1TB SSD's I bought to replace the 2TB (for some reason, they don't sell the 2TB anymore), is defective...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Oh I was ragey. I went from testing BfA to rebuilding a computer until 1am.
    Gah! Are you mostly (mostly) back in business now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Well an easy way is an external drive. That's what I originally planned to do and probably could still do, as long as the external SSD is kept safe you really shouldn't have an issue. It certainly won't get fried
    True, true. I guess I was thinking of both a backup and storage, hence looking at RAID5. Still, an external SSD would be better than no backup at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Oh let's add some insult to injury, though...one of the new 1TB SSD's I bought to replace the 2TB (for some reason, they don't sell the 2TB anymore), is defective...
    Rage...

    (I spy a graphics calculator! I actually had a TI-85 when I was pretty young. Writing BASIC programs on it was my first experience programming.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    Gah! Are you mostly (mostly) back in business now?
    Yeah I have both of my new 1TB SSDs in place, I'm on fiber so I've got 500gb of games re-downloaded. My saves are all cloud so most of my games haven't lost any progress. I've just lost everything else, but I hope to recover it soon. The problem is recovery is $400 - $2000

    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    True, true. I guess I was thinking of both a backup and storage, hence looking at RAID5. Still, an external SSD would be better than no backup at all.
    Yes, exactly! Depends on your ISP, though, maybe uploading to a cloud service is a good idea. Carbonite or CrashPlan are both good choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    Rage...

    (I spy a graphics calculator! I actually had a TI-85 when I was pretty young. Writing BASIC programs on it was my first experience programming.)
    Ah, you've been misled! That is actually my dad's crappy little medical-service cell phone I'm holding for him while he's in prison. Though, funny enough, thanks to my partner going to school to be an accountant a few years ago, we have quite a pile of those calculators lying around somewhere if I bothered to look...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alindra View Post
    True, true. I guess I was thinking of both a backup and storage, hence looking at RAID5. Still, an external SSD would be better than no backup at all.
    Insert obligatory "RAID is not a backup!" comment here
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    Go full paranoid. RAID + Cloud + Image backup + external HDD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Go full paranoid. RAID + Cloud + Image backup + external HDD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Mechanical Drive in a sealed anti-static bag in a bank vault, mirrored drive in a sealed anti-static bag in a different bank. Theft, fire, water and static proof
    One in all the banks. Every bank. And credit union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evn View Post
    If a disk fails at least I know about it: the computer stops working. I'm way more concerned about data corruption that doesn't raise any alarms. RAID mirroing/parity seems like a lot of fussing about for little gain. If I have multiple disks, I'd rather have two copies of data at different locations with slightly different creation dates.
    Actually kind of fun to note that RAID is the worse for corruption despite it typically is championed as the best for data back up, cause you know, it copies the corruption too. It's better to keep a history of images to select from along with an ECC capable system for single and double bit flip corrections. The latter though require more specialized hardware for Intel and some more digging for AMD's Ryzen. Ryzen CPU supports it but the motherboard typically doesn't or not validated so it's not guaranteed.
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    I'd suggest something like ZFS but the Windows factor makes it impossible.

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    With the, I think, 250GB data-cap on my family's house internet plan per month, I'm weary of cloud backups. I could do imaging, but does that compress it, or keep it at the same size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Yes, exactly! Depends on your ISP, though, maybe uploading to a cloud service is a good idea. Carbonite or CrashPlan are both good choices.
    Comcast. /puke

    I can't complain about my download speed (150-180 mbps) at least, though my upload speed isn't great (5-10 mbps). I have a data cap of 1TB, so outside the initial backup, I'd probably be fine... I think.

    @Remilia @Butler Log @ DeltrusDisc
    All those different backup methods (including "full paranoid"), and not a single mention of tape backups? I am very disappointed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Insert obligatory "RAID is not a backup!" comment here
    Re: RAID
    I wasn't thinking that RAID was the be all, end all of backups or anything, just giving some resiliency to backup failure due to a drive failure. I've probably experienced a bit flip error at some point, but I can't say I've ever identified one.

    Quote Originally Posted by evn View Post
    Time capsule + storing work in git repositories covers the 'oh shit I accidentally corrupted a file 5 weeks ago and just noticed now' issues.
    a `dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/usb1` every couple of weeks covers the "oh shit my laptop was stolen at the airport and I need to give a presentation in 2 hours" case.
    Every couple of weeks I DD the time capsule to a USB disk and bring it to work, I take the copy I have at work and bring it home. That covers the "oh shit my house burned down and my laptop was inside case" and the "oh no, i installed freeporn.exe and it was ransomware, not porno!" case of having attached storage all corrupted at once.

    It's a boring system, but it's durable, mostly unobtrusive, mostly works even if I don't think about it, and it protects me against the common forms of data loss. It's also easy to verify it works because you can compute hashes of everything and compare the diffs easily enough.
    Boring? Boo, boo!

    That sounds like a nice, practical system, actually. How do you deal with large binary files that you don't change often, like say, a music collection? It doesn't seem like the target of your system, which is entirely fair.

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    Should I avoid making replies to posts that haven't been touched in X days?
    Should I avoid replying to multiple posts at once? If so, how many would you recommend?

    I'm probably overthinking this, but it has come up more than once where I've debated whether I should reply or not that I figured I should at least ask.

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