Very well worded.
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I do as well, of course, but I imagine that it's not going to be every single piece of the game that's challenging. There's likely to be places where you can just zone out and chug your way through dynamic events.
I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.
If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.
It is, but most of that deals with instances, and gear progression, and isn't directly tied to the leveling process. Since for many MMOs the "game starts at cap", many players want to hit cap as soon as they can. There is no real incentive to take their time, since the longer they take the more they miss out on the "real" game. As such, people will play how they prefer so they can level the fastest. For some, its mob grinding, for others its questing. I know a few people that love raiding and hate questing, so they clear out their bags and go grind mobs, occasionally picking up a "kill x mobs" quest for a quick boost in XP (like the old Salt Flats area). They aren't looking for any drops, they are just waiting for specific level hurdles to tell them it's time to move to a new zone.
Can also show them this as well
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-skinner-box
Last edited by DrakeWurrum; 2012-03-16 at 06:16 PM.
I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.
If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.
There is a gear grind in GW2.
Everyone should care what their character looks like in game and I believe you have to farm better looking gear. There is your gear grind
Lol are you guys rly serious? Are you rly trying use skinner box argument against some1 who dont agree with you?
Do you know that it can be reversed? Its enough to get Roberts Cialdini's "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" to not look too far, and you can find a lot stuf which you can use to discredit any fan who is trying convice some1 to his favorite game.
Its one thing that procne sometimes seems to apply differnt meaning to definitions then you, and he presented some opinionions which made GW2 fans rly jump (psychological mechanics which Cialdini for example decribed quite well) but overall all what he said was his own opinions and he presented his own preferences.
There were few posts with nice info ontopic which seemed to be totaly ignored, it would be much better if ppl focus rather on presenting facts/info then trying discredit other ppl.
I like games you play because they are fun ... not because the game gives you gift after you finish boring task. LoL works like that for me and GW2 looks like LoL that turned into MMO.
My part in this story has been decided. And I will play it well.
Nobody was trying to convince anyone of anything. People were just trying to point out that procne's statement "this game is boring because it has no gear progression" is ultimately flawed on a logical level. I mean, people don't care what kind of games he likes or whether he likes GW2 or not (which was clearly stated on multiple occasions). But its one thing to say: "I like something different, so this game is not for me" and another thing is to start making statements about the game which are simply false or based on some sort of bizarre individual notions like "asian MMO", "not an RPG", "arcade".
People have different opinions. That's totally fine.
People find different things fun. That's totally fine.
Closing this because some people can't seem to grasp either concept. Also, because some people don't want to be corrected when they are incorrect on a factual matter.