The Brewmaster Tanking Guide [5.4]

[Deleted]

but our wep dmg scaling and focus on haste / crit will do quite well

Weapon damage won't matter much. For example, if you have about 100k Vengeance from the boss and 30k Attack Power on you gear, replacing a 463 polearm by a 517 weapon (like Gao Rei heroic, upgraded 2/2) will increase your dps by about 8%.

Haste doesn't increase Brewmaster dps a lot. And you certainly won't double your crit with t15 gear.

[SurrealNight]

Ok so they have actually made the change in the notes. So dps stats lose a bit of value. Sad.

And yeah you're right, it was right for single target. I can only assume with gear getting better and a higher value on crit from tier, it will start to make up for it

If Blizz was smart (no comment...) they wouldn't have tied our statue to a direct DPS correlation. My last Wind Lord kill was 380k DPS and 40k HPS, was 2nd on the healing meters.... as others have said in single target it is a very fair amount of healing imo.

The "fix" would be to tie the statue to a different metric but since that would require a lot of re-coding we are stuck with them F'ing with it every tier patch now probably.

[gynshon]

Single target it was fine. It was only blown up because of AoE fights like Protectors, Wind Lord. The other fights it was perfectly fine healing, especially since it was mostly overhealing already. With the nerf to Vengeance, it will take a lot more to proc a guard that it will essentially be almost worthless for single target.

[Deleted]

With the nerf to Vengeance

What nerf ? The one capping Vengeance at your maximum health ?

[SurrealNight]

What nerf ? The one capping Vengeance at your maximum health ?

Pretty sure most single target fights weren't capping vengeance, not sure if it's happening on PTR for the new fights though.

[Deleted]

Weapon damage won't matter much. For example, if you have about 100k Vengeance from the boss and 30k Attack Power on you gear, replacing a 463 polearm by a 517 weapon (like Gao Rei heroic, upgraded 2/2) will increase your dps by about 8%.

Haste doesn't increase Brewmaster dps a lot. And you certainly won't double your crit with t15 gear.

With that in mind, assuming there may not be sha-touched weapons in 5.2 raid, would we keep an off-hand claw from shek'zeer for rest of expansion possibly? Even a lfr version seems worth it.

[gynshon]

What nerf ? The one capping Vengeance at your maximum health ?

Only tested 1 fight thus far on PTS, and damage is considerably lower there. Wasn't receiving the same amount of vengeance as T14 bosses in comparison. Just because something isn't in the notes, doesn't mean that it isn't there. I will continue to do more testing and let you know.

[NRL1515]

Due to lvl 30 talent costing 0 chi, would there be something wrong in macroing - for example - chi wave into pretty much every ability? I'm kind of a button masher, but I am struggling to find a downside to this...

[Thoranar]

Only tested 1 fight thus far on PTS, and damage is considerably lower there. Wasn't receiving the same amount of vengeance as T14 bosses in comparison. Just because something isn't in the notes, doesn't mean that it isn't there. I will continue to do more testing and let you know.

The council fight just didn't us hard really, but I did notice that my vengeance would drop during Frigid Assault stacking. So maybe a bug.

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With that in mind, assuming there may not be sha-touched weapons in 5.2 raid, would we keep an off-hand claw from shek'zeer for rest of expansion possibly? Even a lfr version seems worth it.

Maybe not LFR, but if you have a fully upgraded normal/heroic claw with the +500 agi gem AND the extra prismatic socket, that is going to be a tough weapon to replace. We will all most likely keep our claws until later in the tier/heroics (or if they release a new sha touch weapon).

[Promdates]

Due to lvl 30 talent costing 0 chi, would there be something wrong in macroing - for example - chi wave into pretty much every ability? I'm kind of a button masher, but I am struggling to find a downside to this...

You would have to macro it to something that's off the GCD. Something like Guard or Elusive Brew.

[Chuupag]

You would have to macro it to something that's off the GCD. Something like Guard or Elusive Brew.

Wouldn't really help if you were already on a global cooldown.

[SurrealNight]

Wouldn't really help if you were already on a global cooldown.

Yeah no easy/reliable way to do it. Maybe I'll include it in some of those macro's but my plan is just to move it into a bit more accessible hotkey than it is now.

[Asmalya]

Yeah no easy/reliable way to do it. Maybe I'll include it in some of those macro's but my plan is just to move it into a bit more accessible hotkey than it is now.

I like to target raidmembers for T30 if they need it so i never will macro them.
I have them on a hotkey anyway ever since beta.

[Deleted]

Maybe not LFR, but if you have a fully upgraded normal/heroic claw with the +500 agi gem AND the extra prismatic socket, that is going to be a tough weapon to replace. We will all most likely keep our claws until later in the tier/heroics (or if they release a new sha touch weapon).

That doesn’t make sense. Considering vocation of upgrade NPC, those who are able to farm hc versions of claws now, would be in too big advantage in future progress. My guess is that there will be new sha touched weapons in 5.2.

[Deleted]

Hey guys, im currently sitting on 8.1k haste, with PS. Gemmed for haste also, is it worth regemming crit and dropping down to 6k haste and forging the rest into crit? Link to armory below. Thank you in advance!

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...od/Yhin/simple

[Kisho]

Hey guys, im currently sitting on 8.1k haste, with PS. Gemmed for haste also, is it worth regemming crit and dropping down to 6k haste and forging the rest into crit? Link to armory below. Thank you in advance!

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...od/Yhin/simple

It could be. Depends on what you like. High haste works, low haste works. Do what you feel is best for your personal playstyle.

[SurrealNight]

Hey guys, im currently sitting on 8.1k haste, with PS. Gemmed for haste also, is it worth regemming crit and dropping down to 6k haste and forging the rest into crit? Link to armory below. Thank you in advance!

8k is probably more haste than you need with Ascension. I'm running with low 6k currently and it works out good. I'd suggest either forging or gemming into crit at 7k and run Wind Lord solo. If you feel like you have enough haste to keep up buffs and PB when needed you can try dropping more. That is how I approached it at least.

[Deleted]

Is the stat priority in the OP correct for challenge modes? Me and some mates have decided we want to sell challenge mode runs and for some of them we may have to use a monk tank

[Brian23]

What would you put the value on the weights, like the numerical value?

I'm trying to use WoW Reforger or MrRobot and neither seem to have really good numbers for them yet. I also can't seem to figure out how to base the numbers from this thread too. :/

[Vulpei]

Just use the WW weights on MrRobot, they are pretty much right, though MrRobot doesn't have the best stat allocation system. There is a decent spreadsheet on ElitistJerks that will give you more accurate numbers, though I find that to model most real fights it is best to turn off the GotO section.