Does the Star Wars universe lack tabloid journalism...

[Beavis]

Read previous comments about how badly the force is affected when cloning force sensitive beings such as Jedi's and the negative affects on them.

But there's other semi-stable clones in the Star Wars universe. There's a clone of Garen Marek, there's a clone of Darth Maul, and like 15 Palpatines. I'm sure there's some unobtainium somewhere in the galaxy to make the necessary applied super-phlebotinum process work.

[Dasani]

Lucas is and always has been a poor storyteller.

Also jedi were known throughout the entire galaxy and widely either revered or feared. They were wiped out, and in the span of what, 16-18 years, however old luke was in new hope, everyone in the universe apparently forgot they existed and considered them an "ancient religion" with no real power. It is utterly absurd.

I mean it's already been 10 years since the 9/11 attacks and people haven't forgotten any of that. They haven't forgotten the war in iraq. People haven't even forgotten that roughly 60 years ago, we were in a world war and nuked the hell out of japan.

The clone wars was a BIG DEAL, it was the star wars equivalent of a world war, and jedi were the leaders of the clone army and played a huge role in it.

There is no conceivable way by any stretch of imagination everyone would just forget they existed in that little of a time frame. It's just bad story telling.

[Forsedar]

But there's other semi-stable clones in the Star Wars universe. There's a clone of Garen Marek, there's a clone of Darth Maul, and like 15 Palpatines. I'm sure there's some unobtainium somewhere in the galaxy to make the necessary applied super-phlebotinum process work.

Well, semi-stable :P It seems too risky in my mind!

[Alvito]

Still a better love story than Twilight.

I hope we haven't lowered the bar so much that just making more sense then Twilight is the goal.

[Mormolyce]

Did the public know who Darth Vader was under the mask? I imagine they didn't know who Luke was until at least Empire if not after Jedi. The Empire no doubt kept a close rein on journalism.

It's true that in the prequels movies a lot of people seem to know Vader is Anakin, and they don't have any reason not to tell people about it. Not that it makes much difference to anyone but Luke and Leia, who supposedly nobody knew about. But of course DON'T TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THE PREQUELS THEY ARE RUBBISH!

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Also jedi were known throughout the entire galaxy and widely either revered or feared. They were wiped out, and in the span of what, 16-18 years, however old luke was in new hope, everyone in the universe apparently forgot they existed and considered them an "ancient religion" with no real power. It is utterly absurd.

Not to disagree with your central point that the prequels are stupid (watching the originals I never assumed the old Jedi were like generals and government officials that everyone knew about and went around doing everything for the Republic... ick) but when they say "ancient religion" they're talking about the fact it existed for "over a thousand generations", ie how long it has been since its establishment not since its extinction.

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Jango Fett, a Jedi killing machine

I seem to remember Samuel L Jackson lopping his head off in about 2 seconds kind of like "oh... hi? Were you trying to attack me? Sorry didn't really notice you there".

[inboundpaper]

I seem to remember Samuel L Jackson lopping his head off in about 2 seconds kind of like "oh... hi? Were you trying to attack me? Sorry didn't really notice you there".

Whats a plot armor? But watch that scene again, he gets free and just shoots a Jedi Knight in the face.

[Beavis]

Well, semi-stable :P It seems too risky in my mind!

Nah, just stick little bombs in their heads and if they get unstable, BOOM. Wait, I might be confused. We are talking about Warhammer 40k, right?

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Not to disagree with your central point that the prequels are stupid (watching the originals I never assumed the old Jedi were like generals and government officials that everyone knew about and went around doing everything for the Republic... ick) but when they say "ancient religion" they're talking about the fact it existed for "over a thousand generations", ie how long it has been since its establishment not since its extinction.

We don't call Judaism or Hinduism ancient religions, but they're thousands of years old as well. Anyway, my guess, and it really is just a guess, is that Lucas originally intended Hope to be at a different juncture in time then it turned out to be. Things like the ancient religion comment and "elegant weapon for a more civilized age" makes me think that the original intent was perhaps to have had the Clone Wars span decades or even centuries. Long enough for civilization to start to fall apart just a little bit and long enough for people to forget about things like Jedi and Lightsabers. Of course, the other, probably more likely, possibility is that he just didn't give it that much thought.

[Grognard]

But there's other semi-stable clones in the Star Wars universe. There's a clone of Garen Marek, there's a clone of Darth Maul, and like 15 Palpatines. I'm sure there's some unobtainium somewhere in the galaxy to make the necessary applied super-phlebotinum process work.

Force Unleashed is total bull to begin with, but the clone of Galen Marek was probably started and held in reserve until needed - as were all of Palpatine's clones. And none of those were active at the same time as their originals, either. With Joruus C'baoth, it had never been determined as to whether or not the clone was created after Outbound Flight's departure or before; he may, in fact, have been the reason that a non-Jedi army was deemed the best solution.

I seem to remember Samuel L Jackson lopping his head off in about 2 seconds kind of like "oh... hi? Were you trying to attack me? Sorry didn't really notice you there".

Look up Galidraan, when you get the chance; Jango had plenty of Jedi blood on his hands long before Mr. My-Lightsaber-Says-Bad-Mother-F'er took his head. Besides, Mace gets as little credit for that kill as possible since Jango's jetpack malfunctioned due to Anakin losing control of the reek - and that is in the movie, not EU-sourced or fanboyish character admiration.

[Deleted]

Honestly, I think the officer (have no idea what his name is) that called the force "ancient religion" said that to mock the power of the force against the deathstar. At least thats the way I saw it.

[LonestarHero]

Nah, just stick little bombs in their heads and if they get unstable, BOOM. Wait, I might be confused. We are talking about Warhammer 40k, right?

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We don't call Judaism or Hinduism ancient religions, but they're thousands of years old as well. Anyway, my guess, and it really is just a guess, is that Lucas originally intended Hope to be at a different juncture in time then it turned out to be. Things like the ancient religion comment and "elegant weapon for a more civilized age" makes me think that the original intent was perhaps to have had the Clone Wars span decades or even centuries. Long enough for civilization to start to fall apart just a little bit and long enough for people to forget about things like Jedi and Lightsabers. Of course, the other, probably more likely, possibility is that he just didn't give it that much thought.

I find it funny that in spite of all these crappy inconsistencies, the details on Yoda's species remains a complete mystery.

[Forsedar]

I find it funny that in spite of all these crappy inconsistencies, the details on Yoda's species remains a complete mystery.

Thats because no one messes with Yoda.

[Koalachan]

I find it funny that in spite of all these crappy inconsistencies, the details on Yoda's species remains a complete mystery.

Although, with the introduction of a few more members of his species, all of whom seem to have normal syntax, now he just really does sound like a freak. Before, I just wrote it off as "it's the way his species talks," but we know that to not be true now.....

[Forsedar]

Although, with the introduction of a few more members of his species, all of whom seem to have normal syntax, now he just really does sound like a freak. Before, I just wrote it off as "it's the way his species talks," but we know that to not be true now.....

Well when you spend the majority of your days in meditation with the force, I would probably get all scrambled too

[LonestarHero]

[StationaryHawk]

If such an equivalence was made I would have figured someone within the Rebel Alliance between the Battle of Yevin and Hoth would have put two and two together that Vader and Luke have the same damn last names.

Thoughts?

Obviously, Skywalker is a very common surname.

[mrbadxampl]

Obviously, Skywalker is a very common surname.

he may as well have been Luke Jones heh

[ghostkitteh]

Although, with the introduction of a few more members of his species, all of whom seem to have normal syntax, now he just really does sound like a freak. Before, I just wrote it off as "it's the way his species talks," but we know that to not be true now.....

What if Yoda had a stroke or something, and that's what screwed up his speech?

[Forsedar]

What if Yoda had a stroke or something, and that's what screwed up his speech?

Then I'd feel bad for mocking him all the time

[Grognard]

Although, with the introduction of a few more members of his species, all of whom seem to have normal syntax, now he just really does sound like a freak. Before, I just wrote it off as "it's the way his species talks," but we know that to not be true now.....

It's funny, too, because fellow High Council member Yaddle, of the same species, has that same speech pattern, but the truly ancient members of the species (i.e., the ones created by BioWare) have what we consider to be normal speech patterns. I'm thinking it may just be BW being too damned lazy to write the speech correctly, or them simply pissing on what little lore that exists - as in the guy from KotOR being the only one that had a surname.

[jayinjersey]

We also have to remember some of us are comparing the local issues here (9/11, Budism, etc) but forgeting to factor in SW is a universal scale.


While yes, people on Big C probably remembered the Jedi and thought of them fondly...not all systems would have.


Think of it this way, one of you said it's only been 10y since 9/11 and we haven't forgotten that...well askt he people of ethiopia about it, it may not be so vivid. And in the Congo, if I tell a native of the Jesus Christ and his reserection he might say I'm spouting off some hokey ancient religeon as well.


So who knows where that General was born or what he was even taught in Carida.