Time for secondary professions to be at the account level?

[Blackmist]

I'll buck the trend and say yes. :P

Levelling fishing and archaeology are especially tedious. I wouldn't mind so much if the mini game was actually fun. I didn't mind the fishing from Okami. For the archaeology I wouldn't mind some sort of puzzle to solve each artifact.

How about all professions being shared? We have instant item transfer between all toons now. Enchants are put on bits of paper. I say keep the profession stat boosts on the toons that earned them, but allow any toon to make anything from any profession that any of your toons have learned (keep the one-per-day transmutes if you wish, 3 alchemists = 3 transmutes per day). It's just to cut out the pointless relogging if anything. It's a tiresome step that serves no purpose. It's time for it to go.

[muto]

instead of that you could make an insta kill button so the game becomes easier then it already is. so you can rule the content while you have no more skill!

Grinding takes time not skill.

[lanerios]

@Muto.. efficient grinding takes skill. Not whatever you call grinding.

[cateran100]

@Muto.. efficient grinding takes skill. Not whatever you call grinding.

please, please please....what skill needed for fishing, cooking and first aid? Point it out please....

[lanerios]

@Cateran, grinding to max in those skills with Farming the items YOURSELF, NOT from the AH (see the difference? Yes, people actually farm stuf)''


But cateran, let's continue that

Raiding? doesn't take skill. Only basic following tactics that you read on the net (Yes I did heroic raids)
PVP? doesn't take skill. Only knowing what of your 4 buttons to hit.

See? I can be as nonesensical as you!

[roflpot]

@Muto.. efficient grinding takes skill. Not whatever you call grinding.

Behave son. Grinding just takes time. It's why they have bots to do it.

Well actually you're technically right, I mean walking is a skill that takes at least a year to learn and many more to master yet I wouldn't say anybody who is fit and healthy and can walk has any kind of skill in doing so. Bit of a bad analogy but you get the point, the skill involved in grinding is absolutely minimal and far more time dependant.

[LegendaryDude]

i think ALL professions should be account wide. Leave the "special things" (such as additional sockets, shoulder inscriptions etc) to the char the profession comes from, but please, let me gem and enchant my new item without logging around like 5 times

[lanerios]

Behave son. Grinding just takes time. It's why they have bots to do it.

Well actually you're technically right, I mean walking is a skill that takes at least a year to learn and many more to master yet I wouldn't say anybody who is fit and healthy and can walk has any kind of skill in doing so. Bit of a bad analogy but you get the point, the skill involved in grinding is absolutely minimal and far more time dependant.

So you're saying that finding the most efficient way to GRIND to max level on a char doesn't take skill whatsoever? Right, let me guess, you're either a raider or PVP kiddo screaming that only either of those take skill. Expected as much.

Seriously, if you watn this account wide, what's next? your levels? your abilities? Or wait, why not have you have just 1 class that can do everything

[Deleted]

There is no valid argument against it really... Blizzard has been shifting from a time consuming MMO concept to some more casual friendly game for some time now, this would kinda go with the whole thing. It's not like you can't fish or cook on some other character anyway, the change would be mainly "cosmetic" aswell...

[Mayhem]

If you have maxed fishing on one character what's the harm? It's not like you're increasing the amount of fish being brought into the game since you can only fish on one character at a time anyways. your statement is null. It would just be more convenient, like Broloth said.

yep you would increase the amount of fish being brought, because if you haven´t maxed it on an alt, guess what, he won´t fish up much

[LegendaryDude]

yep you would increase the amount of fish being brought, because if you haven´t maxed it on an alt, guess what, he won´t fish up much

yeah, but you can only fish on one character at a time. It doesn't fucking matter if you catch 100 fish on char 1, oder 50 fish on char 1 and 50 fish on char 2

[ComputerNerd]

The current plans for cooking at least indicate that there are no plans to change the current system.
You can while levelling MoP cooking specialise in one given type of cooking, while described as a technique it basically allows you access to food with a particular stat buff.
However you can level up beyond just a single specialisation and eventually learn them all.
That seems to encourage levelling of cooking at a similar rate on similar level characters so that the required stat foods can be cooked on each character, at least until one of them specialises in all.

[Mikael123]

Bad idea.

It wouldn't make sense that your level 1 alt instantly gets max level cooking and fishing without ever making a bread or using a fishing pole.

The only argument you can make for this change is that it's "covenient".

By the same logic Blizzard should also hand a full set of pve and pvp epics to all characters reaching max level, boost leveling speed by 500% by lowering the experience needed to gain a level, and remove repair costs. That would also be "convenient".

[Deleted]

So you're saying that finding the most efficient way to GRIND to max level on a char doesn't take skill whatsoever? Right, let me guess, you're either a raider or PVP kiddo screaming that only either of those take skill. Expected as much.

Seriously, if you watn this account wide, what's next? your levels? your abilities? Or wait, why not have you have just 1 class that can do everything

Not really. My tailor noticed the ghost mobs outside the horde base in Tol Barad dropped a nice amount of cloth and were at a quarter health to boot so I jump through the portal and kill those mobs till I get bored when I want some cloth. Not one part of that process takes skill by my reckoning. Most hot farming spots are easily found on the internet so unless Googling has became a skill I have to disagree. Grinding just takes the willingness to do the same thing over and over until you achieve the desired result.

[cateran100]

@Cateran, grinding to max in those skills with Farming the items YOURSELF, NOT from the AH (see the difference? Yes, people actually farm stuf)''


But cateran, let's continue that

Raiding? doesn't take skill. Only basic following tactics that you read on the net (Yes I did heroic raids)
PVP? doesn't take skill. Only knowing what of your 4 buttons to hit.

See? I can be as nonesensical as you!

M8...grinding is time and only time...not even the slightest skill necessary..(first aid? choose the appropriate bandage and make it....cooking? get or buy the ingredients, click into it and make it...fishing? Woho..exception..u must watch the bobber and click in the right time..lots of skill for sure...)
Edit: however..doing with the first char is fun, with the second is bit boring...with the rest? Fking boring and annoying as hell)

[ComputerNerd]

I can understand both sides because from the convenience side it is simply a grind on additional characters, one that has no skill aspect but simply a time and gathering commitment.
From the logic side also a character that has never utilised those skills before should work up before being able to utilise the advanced skills in a profession, as questionable as the skill involvement may be.

[Dequanacus]

Blizzard needs players to have something to do while they aren't raiding. They might as well make it so if you have one 85 you can have all your other alts instantly be 85. Then they'll make it so when you pick up ANY profession it'll instantly be 600. Then they can make it if you already killed a boss you can instantly kill him whenever you so please and so on and so forth...

I'm obviously over exaggerating but you guys basically want the game to play itself for you.

[tigojones]

Blizzard needs players to have something to do while they aren't raiding. They might as well make it so if you have one 85 you can have all your other alts instantly be 85. Then they'll make it so when you pick up ANY profession it'll instantly be 600. Then they can make it if you already killed a boss you can instantly kill him whenever you so please and so on and so forth...

I'm obviously over exaggerating but you guys basically want the game to play itself for you.

/facepalm

Or, we want to focus on the actual game itself, and not spend hours upon hours sitting at a pool of water leveling fishing on a fourth character for what amounts to pretty much no individual benefit. Having 525 fishing doesn't get you any sort of buff, nor does archaeology, nor first aid, nor cooking. Every single benefit they provide can be used without the profession. You don't need fishing to be able to use fish to cook food. You do not need cooking to be able to eat that food. You do need first aid to use the bandages, but you can use them before you can even learn to make them yourself. Everyone can learn them, regardless of their primary professions.


They're different from the primary professions, as those aren't meant for everyone to have on every toon. We're supposed to pick the two that make the most benefit to that particular toon (be it through gear/enchants/buffs, or through synergy with other characters and their professions).

This is different from leveling an alt (though you can, through the RAF program, boost an alt up levels without having to play that toon), because each class is different and requires learning. There are different ways through leveling, too (BG's, dungeon spamming, level on one continent, level on the other, level solely through gathering professions, etc.). Leveling cooking on one toon isn't going to be any different from doing it on another, save for maybe using different recipes depending on what raw materials are available and their cost.

The only reason for not having the account-wide secondary professions are using them as a time/gold sink. The only problem is, many people simply won't level them. I know I haven't. I've got 1 guy with 525 Archeology (which I only did because it was new and I've been after the sword, though I've pretty much given up on ever getting it and haven't been to a dig site in months). One with 525 First Aid (which I haven't used a single bandage on, so many classes have some sort of self-heal. Actually, I don't think I've legitimately used a bandage since TBC), and none have fishing or cooking above 200. It's not worth the time, to me. Especially if I'd have to do it on each toon.

[lanerios]

Most hot farming spots are easily found on the internet so unless Googling has became a skill I have to disagree. Grinding just takes the willingness to do the same thing over and over until you achieve the desired result.

Cool, same with PVP, same with raiding. Your point?

[Regalbeast]

@Muto.. efficient grinding takes skill. Not whatever you call grinding.

Even primary professions do not require skill....it's called google a guide and follow it. All it takes is time and gold.

OP: I am all for this...I pvp a lot and hate spending the $$ leveling up first aid on each toon that i max out. (just an example, I know first aid is easy to level). I only have Arch and fishing maxed on one char because it is such a bore.