[Megathread] Elder Scrolls Online

[Gorsameth]

As mentioned earlier in the thread people said the exact same thing about Guild Wars 2 and Final Fantasy XIV. Both MMO's are doing rather well and whenever I've logged online recently there's never been a shortage of players to interact with. The same can be said of WoW, which is great! You know why it's great? Because it means that there's viable options to appeal to different tastes.

I've never understood why some people are bitter enough to want another MMO to fail. The best thing that could happen to the MMO industry is for multiple viable options to exist at the same time. It encourages the developers of each MMO to work harder at polishing and updating their respective products.

Ehm sorry but FF14 was a massive failure, they had to re-invent themselves completely and make a restart.

anyway as to your other point. We dont want MMO's to fail. We want more good MMO's we could play instead of the half arsed cash grabs we keep seeing.
People are upset because they see potential being wasted on the thought that MMO's make easy money instead of quality MMO's being produced that people are willing to spend there time for the next X years of there life on.

[Greevir]

Ehm sorry but FF14 was a massive failure, they had to re-invent themselves completely and make a restart.

anyway as to your other point. We dont want MMO's to fail. We want more good MMO's we could play instead of the half arsed cash grabs we keep seeing.
People are upset because they see potential being wasted on the thought that MMO's make easy money instead of quality MMO's being produced that people are willing to spend there time for the next X years of there life on.

No, people want MMOs to be different and then complain when it isn't WoW.

[Deleted]

Ehm sorry but FF14 was a massive failure, they had to re-invent themselves completely and make a restart.

anyway as to your other point. We dont want MMO's to fail. We want more good MMO's we could play instead of the half arsed cash grabs we keep seeing.
People are upset because they see potential being wasted on the thought that MMO's make easy money instead of quality MMO's being produced that people are willing to spend there time for the next X years of there life on.

he was clearly thinking about Final Fantasy XIV ARR, which is doing really good.
latest PS4 trailers inform of 1.8 milions accounts worldwide.

[melodramocracy]

I've never understood why some people are bitter enough to want another MMO to fail.

It's the 'if I don't like it, no one else should either' mentality. Incredibly shallow and self serving, and you tend to see these types run rampant whenever a new game is discussed, or near release.

The funny thing is that in the grand scheme of things, few MMO's have actually shut their servers down, subscription based or otherwise. Most folks simply label games as 'dead' with little to no first hand experience. It's easier that way, I suppose.

[Graeham]

Ehm sorry but FF14 was a massive failure, they had to re-invent themselves completely and make a restart.

anyway as to your other point. We dont want MMO's to fail. We want more good MMO's we could play instead of the half arsed cash grabs we keep seeing.
People are upset because they see potential being wasted on the thought that MMO's make easy money instead of quality MMO's being produced that people are willing to spend there time for the next X years of there life on.

The original Final Fantasy XIV was terrible. The developers outright admitted that. I was referring to the revamped edition of the game which is effectively a completely new MMO in itself. It's sustained a subscription model for roughly six months now and boasts a pretty impressive number of players running around whenever I log online. Sure, it's not to everyone's tastes but the same can be said of pretty much every MMO out there.

[corebit]

Ehm sorry but FF14 was a massive failure, they had to re-invent themselves completely and make a restart.

anyway as to your other point. We dont want MMO's to fail. We want more good MMO's we could play instead of the half arsed cash grabs we keep seeing.
People are upset because they see potential being wasted on the thought that MMO's make easy money instead of quality MMO's being produced that people are willing to spend there time for the next X years of there life on.

The games Caesius Baelthar mentioned are ALL good MMOs. It all depends on your expectations. If you come in expecting an MMO to be "The One", "The True Wow Killer" or whatever impossible goal, then you'll be waiting a long, long time. If you have super high expectations, I'm sorry, that's your own decision.

Many of us enjoy the MMOs for what they are, instead of expecting what rank they are supposed to be in some list, or how many players they're supposed to bring in.

[Deleted]

Why does it matter if this game should kill wow? No, it's more important that the person playing the game is thinking it is fun. Although teso will never reach the amouth of subs wow has (no mmo will ever again) it depends on how many Zenimax wants to have, if they think 500k is fine then that is fine, if they want 1.5 milion, then that is fine for them. That's not up to you to say/proclaim.

[TyrianFC]

Why does it matter if this game should kill wow?

Because this is primary a WoW site, with both current and former WoW players. Many of them have been playing the game for years and have never found any other game that is strong enough to pull them away from WoW, though they fantasise about doing exactly that.

So it matters because of the people that make up this site. Go ask if it matters on another website non-wow related and nobody will give a shit if its 'the wow killer'.

[Deleted]

Why does it matter if this game should kill wow? No, it's more important that the person playing the game is thinking it is fun. Although teso will never reach the amouth of subs wow has (no mmo will ever again) it depends on how many Zenimax wants to have, if they think 500k is fine then that is fine, if they want 1.5 milion, then that is fine for them. That's not up to you to say/proclaim.

i suppose 1.5 mio may (MAY) be a realistic goal for them within the first few months ... but numbers will drop eventually, like in every MMO and besides the ES fanbase and the mmo-enthusiasts ... how will they grow and gain new players in the next few years?

[Thunderball]

It's cute that people actually think ESO will be successful and not fade away after 2 months because the game will feel unfinished and no end game.Face it the quality of the mmo you expect is WoW or better...sadly you wont be seeing anything like that in the near future.So go forth young knight and spend those coins on ESO and will we see you in 2 months in WoW after you make your sad journey to nowhere.

Please stop comparing it to WoW. Modern WoW and ESO have VERY little in common.

[Deleted]

Because this is primary a WoW site, with both current and former WoW players. Many of them have been playing the game for years and have never found any other game that is strong enough to pull them away from WoW, though they fantasise about doing exactly that.

So it matters because of the people that make up this site. Go ask if it matters on another website non-wow related and nobody will give a shit if its 'the wow killer'.

i guess wow killed wow for me. The only game to blame for me not playing WoW is WoW. so that makes WoW the WoW killer *scratches head*

[Caesonia]

i guess wow killed wow for me. The only game to blame for me not playing WoW is WoW.

pretty much, never understood the fascination with the "wow killer" bullshit

[Deleted]

pretty much, never understood the fascination with the "wow killer" bullshit

i guess WoW is the WoW killer

[Skulltaker]

pretty much, never understood the fascination with the "wow killer" bullshit

If you are aiming, aim for the best. WoW is market leader. Aim for the stars, hit the moon. I like to compare myself to the best, because I feel it encourages me the most.

[Matheren]

Because this is primary a WoW site, with both current and former WoW players. Many of them have been playing the game for years and have never found any other game that is strong enough to pull them away from WoW, though they fantasise about doing exactly that.

So it matters because of the people that make up this site. Go ask if it matters on another website non-wow related and nobody will give a shit if its 'the wow killer'.

It only matters because WoW players will never be happy with another game that isn't an exact cloned copy of WoW down to the finest little detail, because any deviation from it will receive complaints that it's not "the WoW killer" or "it's not good enough."

And then they'll go back to WoW, and complain about how they're bored in WoW.

And if it is a clone? They'll complain about it being a clone instead.

[Thunderball]

If you are aiming, aim for the best. WoW is market leader. Aim for the stars, hit the moon. I like to compare myself to the best, because I feel it encourages me the most.

WoW was just a very good game in a popular francise that morphed to cater to a very large and diverse audience. Nothing to be proud about. Changed for the worst. Nothing to aim for.

[Lane]

There was even a pair of questions "does the game feel like a TES game?" "does the game feel like an MMO?" No, and no once again.

Eh, subjective. I'm not a hardcore ES fan, only ever played Skyrim, and it felt enough like it for me to answer yes. Likewise, it's enough of an MMO for me -- and definitely more RPG than any other MMORPG on the market -- my only issue is the separation of party members for certain instanced content, which I made sure to comment about in the box provided.

"Does the game stand up against other MMO's in the market?" No.

I don't remember this question. O_o

The survey had maybe 100 questions and I ended up answering "no" about 90 times.

My point is that there are lots of stuff in TESO that are good (graphics, lore and character customization for example), it's not a completely horrific game. But they didn't ask basically anything that I would have answered "yes".

My responses were all over the place, definitely not predominantly no or yes. The only area that was consistently "no" was on how armor looked because it was ghastly. I know it's still low level stuff, but there was never at any point of my play time that I actually liked the way my character's gear looked.

PS. There was not a single question about the subscription fee, box office price or collectors edition. Or anything related to the game being a console game, too.

The last one asked how often you buy CEs, that was about it.

There was also a box to list improvements and I made sure to add that debuffs, both on mobs and players, need to be more noticeable/have more clarification.

[Deleted]

WoW was just a very good game in a popular francise that morphed to cater to a very large and diverse audience. Nothing to be proud about. Changed for the worst. Nothing to aim for.

Aaand what do you think ESO is going to be? It comes from a very popular franchise and, like every game, wants to cater a diverse audience to get as many subscribers as possible.

[Beazy]

Aaand what do you think ESO is going to be? It comes from a very popular franchise and, like every game, wants to cater a diverse audience to get as many subscribers as possible.

ESO will never cater to the PvP crowd because the combat is trash. You cannot have competitive PvP in ESO.

[Caesonia]

If you are aiming, aim for the best. WoW is market leader. Aim for the stars, hit the moon. I like to compare myself to the best, because I feel it encourages me the most.

it really isn't that simple though. theres different types of players that want different things in a game, a car company that specializes in economy family style vehicles doesnt need to knock out a company that specialises in sports cars in order to be a success