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    Quote Originally Posted by Repefe View Post
    But it's possible that the % of players who pick such race is just too low and so they are changing it. I have no date to back that up ofc
    That's always the risk but as it stands now they still look inhuman but just a lame design. If all the races looked more or less the same what would be the point?

    Arg's aren't the most popular race but the way they've grouped the factions seems to account for this. Although saying that I can still see a faction imbalance with the ebonheart pact over the other two. I imagine most people will play dark elfs or nords.

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    i love argonians, and i play them because they're less human. being a beast race.... it doesn't make any sense for them to look human, because they're big ol' lizards lol. that said.... those pics.... they just look really weird. complete departure from the way they look in skyrim. i honestly like skyrim argonians the best :/

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    based off what Bethesda said about it being 1000 years before skyrim i am going for the date being roughly 2E 533
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tierbook View Post
    based off what Bethesda said about it being 1000 years before skyrim i am going for the date being roughly 2E 533

    Me and a friend discussed that the other day, and from a gameplay(and... well... lore) kind of view i'd say it is between the year 2E 309 when Elsweyr was created and 2E 430 when the the great empire was brought down(since after this only the Argonians could be in the Black Marsh due to the flu, and from what I know all races of the Ebonheart pact can be there). Because from what we've known of the game so far, Elseweyr exist and the Black Marsh belong to the Argonians, placing the timeline around where i said earlier.

    I may be completely off the charts of course, but I think it is somewhat correct.

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    Looks like it's coming along nicely. Not sure if i like the idea of 6 skill build wars, i really like the way in WoW where there is a class skill set and a specialisation skill set and i'm also a huge fan of mathematical talent trees. One thing i was excited for in ESO was the PvP but i'm not sure anymore, looks a bit zergy. I prefer small scale PvP.

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    Why do people always assume it's being developed by Bethesda because it's not. Of course it's going to look different and feel different compared to Skyrim and Oblivion.

    As for ugly and/or inhuman argonians. I think it's ok. It doesn't even matter if they are played by players or not and I don't think the companies care for that. Take WoW dorfs for example. I wouldn't play one but I still like them. But if they made female ones "hot" and males look like Jacob from Twilight, they would be more popular sure but would take away a huge junk of the feel of the game.

    Just look at those cheap asian MMOs where all females wear skimpy outfits and males look like bodybuilders and the only difference between races is that some are green or purple and some have funny looking brows or ears..

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    Elder Scrolls Online, What's your thoughts?

    Sorry I wasn't able to find any other topic on this on the forums.

    What is your guy's thoughts on this game? Obviously we don't know much. But what we do know is that there are three factions (which makes it interesting) and also the best player from that faction has the chance to become emperor.

    How do you think the game will stand? Of course Bethesda is a grade A company and they've been working on this project a long time. I hope it will succeed, for I'm a fan of the Elder Scrolls series. But, the track record of previous games such as the money pit SWTOR makes me doubtful. Feel free to spread opinions and theories.

    Thanks.

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    I honestly cannot wait for this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thodrin View Post
    Of course Bethesda is a grade A company and they've been working on this project a long time.
    One note: The Elder Scrolls Online is developed by ZeniMax Online Studios.
    According to the wiki Matt Firor is working on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Punky View Post
    The Elder Scrolls Online is developed by ZeniMax Online Studios.
    This cannot be overstated. It's an as of yet untested studio, with that guy who made Tabula Rasa in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerra View Post
    This cannot be overstated. It's an as of yet untested studio, with that guy who made Tabula Rasa in it.
    Who knows, but maybe zeni will be a new blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Who knows, but maybe zeni will be a new blizzard.
    This is a possibility you can't judge a company/developer until you actually have a product to try out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ita View Post
    Why do people always assume it's being developed by Bethesda because it's not.
    Because they don't use their brain. Just like Fallout: New Vegas, the game was made by Obsidian Entertainment, but dumb people blamed Bethesda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Who knows, but maybe zeni will be a new blizzard.
    Don't think they will be a new Blizzard, but I do think that they will make a great game. Matt Firor and some other guys at ZeniMax developed the mmorpg Dark Age of Camelot, which was released in 2001 and was one of the best mmos ever made, especially pvp wise. It didn't have that many players because mmos were not mainstream back then as they are now, but the game was really well coded and well designed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Punky View Post
    Because they don't use their brain. Just like Fallout: New Vegas, the game was made by Obsidian Entertainment, but dumb people blamed Bethesda
    (not directed at you, but rather the gaming internet community in general)

    Watch the wording: "Blamed"

    Developers no longer "get credit" for their work, they are "blamed" for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    (not directed at you, but rather the gaming internet community in general)

    Watch the wording: "Blamed"

    Developers no longer "get credit" for their work, they are "blamed" for it.

    Very true though I feel that the reason for this is that the bigger companies no longer make games they themselves find fun but instead games that will bring in the most revenue. It's what used to set Blizzard apart from other developers but no longer.

    Either way, with how well 343's done with Halo 4 (I'm getting that Halo 1 feel from every single tid bit in that game and it's crazy) I think more recent developers do have what it takes. Just, an MMO is a very heavy mantle to take on and I hope Zenimax realizes that they need to put gameplay above all else while at the same time not sacrificing Bathesda's enormous and impressive amount of lore and story-telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    Very true though I feel that the reason for this is that the bigger companies no longer make games they themselves find fun but instead games that will bring in the most revenue. It's what used to set Blizzard apart from other developers but no longer.

    Either way, with how well 343's done with Halo 4 (I'm getting that Halo 1 feel from every single tid bit in that game and it's crazy) I think more recent developers do have what it takes. Just, an MMO is a very heavy mantle to take on and I hope Zenimax realizes that they need to put gameplay above all else while at the same time not sacrificing Bathesda's enormous and impressive amount of lore and story-telling.
    And I think that is whats going to either make or break the game. If they give in to the lore too much at the cost of game play it will suck, but if they completely trash the lore what is the point in playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    And I think that is whats going to either make or break the game. If they give in to the lore too much at the cost of game play it will suck, but if they completely trash the lore what is the point in playing?
    I think we should all step back and think about what made TOR fail. They had undoubtedly amazing story, amazing lore (with what they could do by setting it a thousand(?) years back), and just an amazing story-driven leveling experience. Less than a year later they've gone F2P and their entire dev team has been beheaded. Why? The gameplay was neglected/too generic at max level. Let's stop worrying about the story, the story will be fine.
    Why am I back here, I don't even play these games anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    I think we should all step back and think about what made TOR fail. They had undoubtedly amazing story, amazing lore (with what they could do by setting it a thousand(?) years back), and just an amazing experience. But the gameplay was neglected/too generic at max level. Let's stop worrying about the story, the story will be fine.
    You can't say that though. It's one of my biggest beefs with WoW that it's story-telling is abysmal. But I've chalked that up to Blizzard as a whole instead of just MMO's because Diablo III's story telling managed to suck even more and Bioware made it clear that you CAN have great story telling in an MMO.

    So basically this needs to be a fine balancing act between the two taking the best of both worlds. If they manage to do so I think they could be the first real contender to WoW. But it's a near impossibility with time tables etc. Every MMO seems to be launching before it's done lately.

    WoW has also had 8 years to refine the gameplay to be seamless and amazing while Blizzard has repeatedly and without fail delivered on some of the greatest gameplay in every single of their games. Similarly, Bioware has a history of some of the best story telling in the video game industry. So I'm willing to lower the standards for both aspects for Zenimax but not to the extent that both are flat out fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    You can't say that though. It's one of my biggest beefs with WoW that it's story-telling is abysmal. But I've chalked that up to Blizzard as a whole instead of just MMO's because Diablo III's story telling managed to suck even more and Bioware made it clear that you CAN have great story telling in an MMO.

    So basically this needs to be a fine balancing act between the two taking the best of both worlds. If they manage to do so I think they could be the first real contender to WoW. But it's a near impossibility with time tables etc. Every MMO seems to be launching before it's done lately.
    Okay, but the evidence is right there. WoW has abysmal story-telling but an arguably great endgame, and TOR has great story-telling but abysmal endgame. WoW's a behemoth and TOR had to fire everyone.

    Both are important, but gameplay is far more important than story. Not to mention that a decent story with a setting like Elder Scrolls is a thousand times easier to write up than interesting gameplay that can keep millions of people playing for months and years.

    Also, I'm pretty sure there are a lot more "PvE/PvP is shit/boring, I'm unsubbing!" threads than "I didn't like the story, I'm unsubbing!"
    Why am I back here, I don't even play these games anymore

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