What Combatbulter said. Probably the Sunreavers didn't do that from Dalaran or else the consequences would be swift.
What Combatbulter said. Probably the Sunreavers didn't do that from Dalaran or else the consequences would be swift.
Maybe you should check your own English before insulting me
Their aim was to bomb the city, the attack in the beginning was a feint.
The Commander Drosh never said anything about civilans
Killing the flightmaster, burning warships, who says that is to prevent civilans escaping?
He never says that
Its to throw the defenses of Thermore into confusion
Its like American bombers bombing civilians cities, it sucks cicvilans die, but it serves a military purpose
On the other hand the Nazi death camps would be considered "evil"
Because it served zero military purpose
Hell they were even wasting military resources for the camps
Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-06 at 08:52 PM.
How was I being insulting? I never said that he mentioned civilians I said that up to that point you could argue that it was strictly militaristic, but when you realise that the aim was always to drop the bomb it gives more credence to the theory that they wanted no survivors.
And you just proved my point for me. The aim was always to bomb Theramore, and he gave no thought to any civilians within.
STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
here's the thing: quoting a tauren (I don't remember which, they all look the same to me), the horde is about war and honor. that bombing had no honor on it.
had the horde amassed an army, travelled to theramore and defeated them fair and square, any civilian who got in the way of an axe would be a casuality.
by bombing a city like that without giving them warning or oportunity to evacuate the civilians, the horde went from war to mass murder.
garrosh said something along those lines on stonetalon. why would he be doing what he said shouldn't be done now?
that attack was far too bad, even for a forsaken player such as myself. I don't consider the forsaken evil, but let's say they are "evil" for the sake of simplicity. in this one it's a case of "even "evil" has standards". when the forsaken bombed hillsbrad, the civilians had the oportunity to flee (though they were stupid and went to fenris to become worgen, getting killed lated by a hero with a machinegun lol). when the forsaken attack humans, they give them a second chance to join them in undeath.
that mana bomb was just a "DIE MAGGOTS!" move. who would survive that? the average joe wouldn't. maybe a few powerful heroes, but that's it. no "join me or die" like the forsaken do, no "evacuate the civilians" like thrall did when he faced blackmoore. that was just plain murder.
I don't know how powerful the focusing iris is. all I remember from it was me having easy pugs for maly10 by saying "I have key" on trade chat, but the new books and the DS raid make it sound powerful. even so, enough is enough.
it was said garrosh would go too far during MoP. to me it seems he's already going too far
now all I can say about new jaina is: it's a pity. maybe most people thought old jaina was boring, but to me she was the last character who wasn't delusional about war. she knew war would bring no good. she knew war would burn all resources from both sides (be them soldiers, gold, lumber, oil or whatever). she knew there was enough stuff for everybody if they learned to share.
I just hope we get to kill them as a raid boss ASAP, because I'd rather not have to put up with this new jaina for too long.
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
So after 52 pages the majority apart from 2 or 3 people are agreeing that Garrosh is going too far and probably all the world will be against him outside of Orgrimmay by the end of MOP for justified reasons.
Giving a warning before an attack is stupid, and I should not have to explain why.
Maybe the Horde could only attack from sea and air because it was the only chance the Horde had at victory?
There isnt much differance between Thermore and Hillsbrad
Humans had oppurtunity to escape the battle, the Horde launched a large attack against Theramore's docks before the bomb
Some people, probably did run away, others probably stayed behind for whatever reason
Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-06 at 09:09 PM.
Personally I would sooner it all those that willingly joined Garrosh's role in the seige of theramore, knowing full well the intent to use a bomb and kill everyone, will be in the raid of org and we get to kill them. Whatever the horde becomes after mists I don't want trash like that in it.
Anything can be justified if you try hard enough, yes garrosh fights his war very cruel and he will be killed because of it and things will return to "normal" until the next exceptional drought or crisis, desperate people do some real shady stuff.
You will always have such people, who knows the reasons of those individuals, monsters are not born they are made.
Thalon for example could have been a high elf who stayed behind to fight for Lordaeron, was betrayed, left to outland came home, was forced to fight in northrend had to work with kirin tor and he sought an opportunity for payback against humanity.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2012-06-06 at 09:13 PM.
A SIEGE is a word used to describe COMPLETELY bottling in a town or camp. That's why you always hear about "breaking the siege" to get in supplies or to escape of whatever.
So since Theramore was under SIEGE there was NO WAY to escape after their ships were destroyed, their flight master killed and their vehicles ruined. Then the bomb was dropped.
Again, this wasn't a case of collateral damage. Collateral damage is accidental. This was intentional. This ranks right up there with the plaguing of SS and Gilneas.
STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
Have you seen and actually been to Southshore ? The place is uninhabital, for centuries, even for Forsaken. The corpses are brought to Daethknell and ressurrected, the bomb killed many but they stayed dead.
But that is the point only Tauren, Orcs and maybe trolls follow such a code, the other races don't. There is no universal code.
Goblins will do anything for money
Forsaken never had it to begin with
Blood elves can't afford kindness.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2012-06-06 at 09:26 PM.
southshore was an open place. people ran away to fenris isle when it was attacked. there were quite a few named NPCs there from old southshore in fenris isle when you go spy in there as a lvl 10 questing forsaken. if someone stayed behind, this person wanted to fight, so even if he was a civilian before, he's now part of a militia.
besides, lordaeron belongs to the forsaken and hillsbrad is part of lordaeron. those people were living in their enemy's lands. they could have left south long ago to alliance lands, but they decided to stay there, defiantly.
in comparison, theramore was sieged by orcs that lived pretty far from there so as no one could escape. than it was bombed. bang, everybody is dead.
at least from my PoV, the southshore bombing pales in comparison to theramore's.
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
which because of there choices they are making now just makes the story feel so inconsistant. You do, if they weren't working with an mmo system, it would have gotten to the point now that the blood elves and forsaken were gone, since they don't follow that same code, and haven't adopted it into there way faction.