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    Quote Originally Posted by Proskill View Post
    so uhm, what are some games with playable dragons, drakonids, dragon knights turning into dragons etc etc?
    Day of Dragons. Basically a survival game like those 'eat fish get bigger' games but a bit more complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Not many, and they usually tend to be crappy, or didn't give a satisfying dragon experience.

    • Spryo lets you play as a tiny dragon, but you don't get the experience of being a dragon. Is basically Super Mario 64 platformer.
    • Battle of Giants: Dragons was a DS game where you played as a dragon and fought other dragons. The game was really meh. Cool TCG art, though.
    • There was an MMO that let you play as a dragon but it is really dated, might even be closed down by now and might have some cash shop problems. Don't recall the name of it. I think it might have been Istaria.
    • Divinity Original Sin 2 allows you play as a lizardman, who looks slightly draconic.
    • On that note, the Elder Scrolls series allows you to play as the lizard race, the Argonians, and there are various mods that can tweak their appearances and make them look more draconic (ie, retextures, wings, new firebreathing shouts, etc).


    There are dragon adjacent games where you don't get to play as the dragon, but ride one.

    • Panzer Dragoon is Star Fox 64 but you ride a dragon in an alien world. You can also upgrade the dragon. Is cool. Instructions here.
    • Legend of Dragoon is JRPG about 7 warriors who can transform and sprout draconic wings.
    • Drakengard 3 allows you to ride on a dragon, but it's shit.
    • There are various How to Train your Dragon games of varying quality, and some are for the Wii which means it might be difficult to play them.
    • Tactics Ogre has the Dragon Tamer class that can tame dragons and use them as pets in battle.
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    Trying to come up with a list of accessible action/adventure/rpg-esque games for a sick person to play from a laptop while in hospital.

    1. It can't be too hard, too weird, or have complex systems. Looking for something simple and straightforward. Because he'll probably be playing with the trackpad (although I will get a controller in case), nothing with skillshots or FPS type stuff.

    2. Additionally, it can't require much reading, whether we're talking about dialogue or comprehensive tooltips/talents/systems. This is for a person for whom reading is difficult, and the point of the game is something distracting and fun, so pretty firm on this rule.

    3. Should be easy to stop at a given moment and pick it back up from that point later, because yknow hospital, so nothing with a lot of cut scenes or minimal save points, or that requires you to play with other people.

    I'm going to install a couple of the latest Tomb Raider reboots games, but ideally I'd like to put a lot more games than just that, I'm just struggling to come up with some good options since I tend to like stuff with a lot of reading/story or more interesting systems myself. What about the Batman Arkham games or do you think too much? I haven't played any of them in ages. Puzzle/casual games and other genres are okay to suggest too, as long as they still meet those general requirements.

    Also, this is more niche but throwing it out: he also really likes casino games but so many of these are free with garbage adware or have p2w type mechanics, so if anyone has any suggestion of a basic b2p game with poker, blackjack, craps, that is straightforward and not ancient, I'd appreciate it. All the ones on Steam have pretty shitty reviews or are trying to do too much.

    Edit: I guess it goes without saying, but probably nothing depressing since the goal is fun escapism.
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    Depending on his tolerance for metroidvania platformers, Dust: an Elysian Tail and Ori and the Blind Forest might be good recommendations. Ori has almost no dialogue. Dust leans toward more action combat than Ori.

    Maybe a Sonic game. I'd recommend Heroes, but it is sadly not on Steam. Adventure DX is also on steam. There are also the 2D Sonic games, but they are harder. No idea about the quality of those PC ports.

    Minecraft is an option. You said no FPS games, but you can play in creative mode where there are no monsters, so you don't need twitch reflexes.

    Jet Cars Stunts apparently got a PC port and is dirt cheap on steam. I played the mobile version, dunno how it is on PC. It's platforming with a rocket car. No pressure or enemies or anything. Is pretty fun.

    For puzzle games, Opus Magnum by Zachitronics might be a good one. It's a game about trying to maximize the efficiency of your alchemical process.

    There are also the LEGO video games, namely the ones by Traveller's Tales. Extremely easy action games. The first two Lego Star Wars games by TT were pretty good and had no dialogue, whereas the newer ones I believe have dialogue. The old ones also don't have lots of DLC, which is nice. LEGO Island 2 and LEGO Racers 2 were the best LEGO games, IMO, but sadly they are not on Steam.

    Star Wars Podracer is okay. No idea about the quality of the PC port. I can't remember if you could pause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    Trying to come up with a list of accessible action/adventure/rpg-esque games for a sick person to play from a laptop while in hospital.

    1. It can't be too hard, too weird, or have complex systems. Looking for something simple and straightforward. Because he'll probably be playing with the trackpad (although I will get a controller in case), nothing with skillshots or FPS type stuff.

    2. Additionally, it can't require much reading, whether we're talking about dialogue or comprehensive tooltips/talents/systems. This is for a person for whom reading is difficult, and the point of the game is something distracting and fun, so pretty firm on this rule.

    3. Should be easy to stop at a given moment and pick it back up from that point later, because yknow hospital, so nothing with a lot of cut scenes or minimal save points, or that requires you to play with other people.

    I'm going to install a couple of the latest Tomb Raider reboots games, but ideally I'd like to put a lot more games than just that, I'm just struggling to come up with some good options since I tend to like stuff with a lot of reading/story or more interesting systems myself. What about the Batman Arkham games or do you think too much? I haven't played any of them in ages. Puzzle/casual games and other genres are okay to suggest too, as long as they still meet those general requirements.

    Also, this is more niche but throwing it out: he also really likes casino games but so many of these are free with garbage adware or have p2w type mechanics, so if anyone has any suggestion of a basic b2p game with poker, blackjack, craps, that is straightforward and not ancient, I'd appreciate it. All the ones on Steam have pretty shitty reviews or are trying to do too much.

    Edit: I guess it goes without saying, but probably nothing depressing since the goal is fun escapism.
    my suggestions are: vampire survivors and dead cells

    these are the kind of games i like to play on laptop while in bed
    im also open for more recommendations
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    Thanks guys. And to be clear, the games don't have to be on Steam. I just don't want to install a bunch of clients for him to juggle, so I was probably going to try to stick to steam and bnet unless I cross something really perfect on another platform.
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    I want a game where I am like a fire mage from WoW, a 3rd person perspective action/adventure type game, could be RPG or MMO I dont mind but yeah I want to be a great magey wizardy sorceress type character firing all these wonderful spells with great animations and very nice shiney graphics, so it has to be modern.. with great game play too?

    Recently realised I really like 'witchy' type series such as FATE A Winx Saga / Discovery of Witches etc, are there any good games like this?

    (Think WITCHER3 except you are a wizard of some sort instead - That would be perfect)

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    im looking for something with character progression. like talent trees, gear (not just stats, but also effects etc). something that makes me wanna chase after smth.
    it may be turn-based, or real-time like dead cells for example, but more persistent. i like simplicity, so indie games are very welcome.
    preferably smth i can run on my laptop while in bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proskill View Post
    im looking for something with character progression. like talent trees, gear (not just stats, but also effects etc). something that makes me wanna chase after smth.
    it may be turn-based, or real-time like dead cells for example, but more persistent. i like simplicity, so indie games are very welcome.
    preferably smth i can run on my laptop while in bed

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    There are far too many games with "character progression" to count. Personally I find most "progression" systems to be shallow and to just waste my time. I find the most entertaining customization systems are the ones that allow you to create broken builds, which are fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    You know, I used to live and die by JRPG back in the late 90's early 2000's. Any recommendations if one loved most of the favorite PS1/PS2 classics?
    Here's a list of some recommendations.

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    If you liked Final Fantasy Tactics, consider playing Tactics Ogre. It's FFT but better. Made by the same devs actually. Bigger battles and the story isn't hijacked by demons half way through. Play the original SNES version, not the PSP remake. It screwed up the systems that makes the game aggravating to play and added a lot of bloat.





    If you liked FFT gameplay, then there is FFTA2. It is the most refined version of FFT/TO combat. It is very fun to build up your team. Story is meh and the kiddie storybook aesthetics might not be your thing.





    The Last Remnant: mixed bag with high highs and low lows. Very interesting setting. Good aesthetics. The main gimmick is that instead of controlling a party of characters, you instead 4-5 parties of characters on a battlefield. Fun combat. Great powermetal by the Black Mages' guitarist Tsuyoshi Sekito. If you play just for the story you can beat it in 20 hours. If you do all of the side content it can take over 100 hours to beat, but the side content requires a walkthrough and mostly involves a lot of grinding and backtracking. The game was delisted from Steam but you can still buy and register Steam keys from G2A.





    Trails in the Sky: the first game of the trilogy starts off really slow. Combat system is rough and the side quests are bad so I'd advise skipping them. Plot starts getting really good at chapter 2. Each game is about 50 hours so you can beat the trilogy in 150 hours.





    Trails of Cold Steel 1 & 2. Play the PC version as it comes with 5,000 extra voicelines and has a killer PC port. Has a more engaging intro than Trails in the Sky. Great combat. Great music. Story is fantastic. I hesitate to recommend the sequels after 2 because the story nosedives, but if you REALLY want more Cold Steel then go for it.





    Pokemon Black & White: the only mainline Pokemon game with an actually good story. You can beat it in 20-30 hours.





    Pokemon Colosseum: You play as an ex-gangster who is on a mission to fight his former comrades and set things right. Main gimmick is that it's all double battles and there are no wild Pokemon to catch. You have a limited roster of Pokemon so it's tuned to be a bit harder. You can beat it in 20-40 hours.





    Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky. The other Pokemon game with a good plot. Takes about 50 hours. The ending was great. There is a postgame story but it was meh.





    Xenoblade 1: grossly overrated but actually pretty good up until half way through. The sidequests are awful so skip them. You can beat the game in 60 hours. Dunno about the rerelease's changes.





    Utawarerumono trilogy: Basically Fire Emblem but it is 200 hours long and 80% of it is slice of life visual novel fluff. 10% of its battles. And 10% of it is really hype scenes. The first game has a more varied cast featuring older party members, while the second and third games are pretty much all kids. The story quality varies. I liked the first arc of the first game but that was it. Nothing happens in the second game until the end. The third game has some cool moments but the story goes down the toilet during the last 10 hours. Overall fine. The gameplay is meh. Some of the music was memorable. The game is fully voice acted (in Japanese), which really helps the 3rd game because you hear the difference between what the protagonist says, and what he really thinks. The 3rd game has a really compelling protagonist.





    Valkyria Chronicles 1: great aesthetics. Story is okay and cliche, don't expect any real depiction of war. Combat is fun and some of the missions towards the end are pretty challenging in a fun way. I'd hesitate to recommend playing VC4, as the story is a shoddy rehash of VC1. There are some gameplay improvements though so if you REALLY liked the gameplay of VC1 and want more, then maybe check VC4 out.





    Sakura Wars 1: visual novel SRPG hybrid. The visual novel sections actually have gameplay, as timed dialogue boxes pop up and you have to decide how to respond within a certain time limit. Sometimes, letting the timer run out and not saying anything is the correct answer. That helps spruce up the gameplay and makes the VN sections fun. The combat sections are okay. The game looks aesthetically great. Good music.





    Sakura Wars V: same as Sakura Wars 1 but the combat is actually really fun. The battles are separated into two halves: the first half is a traditional SRPG battle, and then in the second half the boss appears and your mechas transform into jets and you battle in the skies, and it's a spectacular setpiece fight. The battles towards the end got really challenging and were fun.






    Vantage Master

    Tactical RPG where you play as a summoner and fight duels against other summoners, summoning monsters on a hexgrid map. There is no levelling up or item shops. You just have to be a good tactician. The game isn't ridiculously hard like certain TRPGs/SRPGs; anybody can beat it. It provides a good challenge. I had a ton of fun playing this game. Probably the most enjoyable tactics game/SRPG I've played. The game has great art and music too. I have a more indepth review here. Strong recommendation. The game is free to download from Falcom's website.





    Suikoden 1

    A grounded JRPG about war. Does not descend into a silly Final Fantasy plot with a god-monster being the true villain or anything like that. Starts out slow but once you reach the elf village about 5 hours in it really starts to pick up. Is 20 hours long. Only real flaw is the inventory micromangement but that was fixed in the sequels.





    Suikoden 2

    A refinement of the first game. Great story and characters. Doesn’t waste your time with filler. Great aesthetics. Good music. Snappy combat.





    Suikogaiden: is a 20 hour long visual novel that bridges the gap from 2 to 3. If you're going through the series then you mind as well read it.





    Suikoden 3

    Suikoden 2 but this time with multiple perspectives that you bounce between. Also a more innovative combat system. Game is 60 hours long. There is a lot of backtracking though.





    Suikoden 5

    If you've played 1-3 and still want more Suikoden, then here you go. Not as ambituous as 3, though. About 60 hours long.

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    Looking for strategy game with cooperation mode

    At first let me explain what I mean. I mean the mode where players can play online cooperative against AI and "progress". It is rather not just cooperative campaign (like in Red Alert 3), but more like roguelite sometimes. Here's few examples:

    StarCraft II has "Co-op" mode. Two Players select their commander and go through random campaign selected among premade pool. At successful mission they receive experience which gives them more perks, unit unlocks which is helpful in later more difficult vaiants of missions. You don't have to play with same partners each time and there is no linear track of missions.

    Northgard has "Conquest" mode. You can play it alone or with partner in cooperation. At the beginning each player select clan and color which will be the same during whole conquest and then they will play through 7-11 mostly randomly generated mission with various objectives, rules, enemies and always random map. Each mission they receives perks to pick from 3, so they grow stronger as conquest progress, but also next missions are more difficult.

    Spellforce III has "Journey" mode. You can create a team (maximum 3 players), create your hero in any race and class and play together missions which some are dungeon crawls (only heroes) and some RTS, where you can pick any race you command each time. You level up, gain new equipment and progress through talent tree to eventually finish all missions. Each time you are able to freerly choose next mission, but they difficulty is suggested for specific levels of characters, so it's quire linear pretty often anyway. It is similar to "Free mode" known from Spellforce 1 and 2.

    Other similar games, but without co-op variant and feeling of progression:
    - Lord of the Rings Battle for Middleearth II [world map conquest]
    - Dawn of War (expansions Dark Crusade and Soulstorm) [worldmap conquest]
    - Empire Earth III [world mapconquest]

    Do you know some examples. My and my cousin like playing like this and looking for something new.

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    Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 2 - Retribution has a hero survival mode (called Last Stand) with some persistent progression tied to it (level up heroes and get better gear). Not the deepest game mode though, if I remember correctly.
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    Does a game like this exist?

    One that is mixed with the typical survival game genre like ARK and an RTS survival game like Banished. You'd play in both first or third and top down views, the former for exploring/combat and the latter for building base and managing workers, upgrades etc.

    The only games that are even remotely close that I know of would be Natural selection and the age old Savage, but they are strict lobby based competitive MP games and not survival games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlld View Post
    Does a game like this exist?

    One that is mixed with the typical survival game genre like ARK and an RTS survival game like Banished. You'd play in both first or third and top down views, the former for exploring/combat and the latter for building base and managing workers, upgrades etc.

    The only games that are even remotely close that I know of would be Natural selection and the age old Savage, but they are strict lobby based competitive MP games and not survival games.
    Would Outward fit the bill?

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/7...itive_Edition/

    It leans into the exploration/Adventure aspects in a more contiguous world than Ark. The DLC adds more of the city and base management aspects and whatnot. The Definitive edition includes the DLC, per the link.

    Doesn't have the RTS aspects. The core gameplay model seems to fit what you are describing in solo/MP exploration & adventure with survival and building mechanics. It can be pretty challenging as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i3ackero View Post
    At first let me explain what I mean. I mean the mode where players can play online cooperative against AI and "progress". It is rather not just cooperative campaign (like in Red Alert 3), but more like roguelite sometimes. Here's few examples:

    StarCraft II has "Co-op" mode. Two Players select their commander and go through random campaign selected among premade pool. At successful mission they receive experience which gives them more perks, unit unlocks which is helpful in later more difficult vaiants of missions. You don't have to play with same partners each time and there is no linear track of missions.

    Northgard has "Conquest" mode. You can play it alone or with partner in cooperation. At the beginning each player select clan and color which will be the same during whole conquest and then they will play through 7-11 mostly randomly generated mission with various objectives, rules, enemies and always random map. Each mission they receives perks to pick from 3, so they grow stronger as conquest progress, but also next missions are more difficult.

    Spellforce III has "Journey" mode. You can create a team (maximum 3 players), create your hero in any race and class and play together missions which some are dungeon crawls (only heroes) and some RTS, where you can pick any race you command each time. You level up, gain new equipment and progress through talent tree to eventually finish all missions. Each time you are able to freerly choose next mission, but they difficulty is suggested for specific levels of characters, so it's quire linear pretty often anyway. It is similar to "Free mode" known from Spellforce 1 and 2.

    Other similar games, but without co-op variant and feeling of progression:
    - Lord of the Rings Battle for Middleearth II [world map conquest]
    - Dawn of War (expansions Dark Crusade and Soulstorm) [worldmap conquest]
    - Empire Earth III [world mapconquest]

    Do you know some examples. My and my cousin like playing like this and looking for something new.
    Battlesector has similar mode i think.

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    So, in a mood for two different kinds of games and, since I'm not exactly able to look around at the moment with another shift coming up, I was wanting to see some suggestions from you guys. Should you find a game with both these aspects, great, but I wouldn't mind hearing suggestions for other games that are more focused on a singular aspect.

    So the first mood I'm in for would be a game where I'm able to kill swaths of enemies on my own. For those WoW folks in the audiance, one of my favorite things to do was go through and kill low level dungeons by gathering them all up and mowing them down. Right now, Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition has been scratching that itch, but the grind for unlocking things in that game is a little out there and I was wanting to know if there were other games where It's me against the horde that perhaps has a little more nuance than HWE. As much as i love that game, the enemies are rock dumb.

    The other mood i'm in for is a base building style game. I've enjoyed something like Factorio in the past, but the amount of efficiency in that game that is required makes it a little hard to just play when I want to, since I'm spending nearly ALL my time trying to fix something so the rest of the factory functions, only to run into another issue down the line. I'd love for a game that gives me to start at nothing and build into a massive sprawling base that didn't have so many cogs in the wheel to gum up because i wasn't doing things in neat little rows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsSideEye View Post
    So, in a mood for two different kinds of games and, since I'm not exactly able to look around at the moment with another shift coming up, I was wanting to see some suggestions from you guys. Should you find a game with both these aspects, great, but I wouldn't mind hearing suggestions for other games that are more focused on a singular aspect.

    So the first mood I'm in for would be a game where I'm able to kill swaths of enemies on my own. For those WoW folks in the audiance, one of my favorite things to do was go through and kill low level dungeons by gathering them all up and mowing them down. Right now, Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition has been scratching that itch, but the grind for unlocking things in that game is a little out there and I was wanting to know if there were other games where It's me against the horde that perhaps has a little more nuance than HWE. As much as i love that game, the enemies are rock dumb.

    The other mood i'm in for is a base building style game. I've enjoyed something like Factorio in the past, but the amount of efficiency in that game that is required makes it a little hard to just play when I want to, since I'm spending nearly ALL my time trying to fix something so the rest of the factory functions, only to run into another issue down the line. I'd love for a game that gives me to start at nothing and build into a massive sprawling base that didn't have so many cogs in the wheel to gum up because i wasn't doing things in neat little rows.
    Maybe you can look into The Riftbreaker as a combination of horde-slaying and base-building? Its combat is more of a top-down ARPG Diablo-style though (except using more futuristic weapons like flamethrowers and missiles), not like WoW or Hyrule Warriors. It's got a free demo if that sounds interesting.

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    I'm looking for a competitive with ranked ladder strategy that is similar to total warhammer or football manager with higher or absolute emphasis on strategic decision rather than macro/micro/apm stuff, is there any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proskill View Post
    games where i can upgrade and manage my ship/spaceship/mech/whatever? like eve online, star citizen, FTL. any genre, whether its turnbased, RTS or any other
    You have a direct option to upgrade your ship on the screen ; just have to enable the settings.

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