[Megathread] Path of Exile

[Edge-]

then please, explain, using whatever language you feel is necessary, and in whatever condescending manner you think is appropriate, how can I use the external PoE2 trade website, without needing 'premium stash tabs', genuinely I want to know the answer to this question, and you seem to have that answer, so could you provide it here for me please?

You don't need to use the trade website to trade, as you've been told.

Trade chat remains available in-game and is used by many players.

I linked you to the PoE2 trading forums on the PoE2 website, which is also used by players for trading.

You can also DM people for items you've found on the trade website, though many may not respond given you wouldn't be using the normal message.

Again: Trade remains available, just less accessible.

[Fencers]

then please, explain, using whatever language you feel is necessary, and in whatever condescending manner you think is appropriate, how can I use the external PoE2 trade website, without needing 'premium stash tabs', genuinely I want to know the answer to this question, and you seem to have that answer, so could you provide it here for me please?

1. You don't need the trade website provided by GGG to trade.

2. The trade website still operates without premium stash tabs for buyers.

3. The in-game currency exchange can be used to facilitate trade.

[Edge-]

2. The trade website still operates without premium stash tabs for buyers.

I keep forgetting you only need the premiums to list items, not to use the trade site. Because yeah, the only hurdle really is selling and there are options still available.

[Fencers]

I keep forgetting you only need the premiums to list items, not to use the trade site. Because yeah, the only hurdle really is selling and there are options still available.

Only a small % of players are sellers. You get a lot of trash sellers that are putting up 1c/1div items like unique in one dump Exact Price "-1C" tabs. They make the market seem larger than it is in reality for actual gear that is worthwhile. If you do any serious trading of real item pieces you will bump up against the same players often. Especially early days in the leagues where a certain skill threshold is needed to get to early red maps/pinnacle farming.

Basically, anyone selling real meta crafted gear is at the top end and not trying to sell a Roth's Reach for 1div 50 days into a league.

[rogoth]

You don't need to use the trade website to trade, as you've been told.

Trade chat remains available in-game and is used by many players.

I linked you to the PoE2 trading forums on the PoE2 website, which is also used by players for trading.

You can also DM people for items you've found on the trade website, though many may not respond given you wouldn't be using the normal message.

Again: Trade remains available, just less accessible.

the same trade chat that has been flooded with bots and scammers to the point that it's literally the only people populating the channel?

the trade chat that is so full of said bots and scammers that they have overflowed into global chats because the vast majority of people have disabled the trade chat channel entirely?

is that the trade chat channel you're talking about?

if they won't respond because it's not considered the 'normal' interaction, then aren't you by extension saying that it's abnormal to use other methods that AREN'T the trade website? i ask because that's exactly what it seems like you're suggesting here.

and the trade forum you mentioned, is that the one that has less than 5 posts per day, the one with so few people using it that to sell an item, you might be waiting months due to the sheer LACK OF POPULATION? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2215 this forum, the one with so few people actually selling items that it's riddled with service selling posts and general 'nuisance' posts?

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1. You don't need the trade website provided by GGG to trade.

2. The trade website still operates without premium stash tabs for buyers.

3. The in-game currency exchange can be used to facilitate trade.

if that's true, then I want you to take an item that's considered 'mediocre', not bad, not great, just something that's an all-around solid item in that slot but not sought after by the community as a meta item or a high-quality piece and use every single means in the game to facilitate a sale that's NOT the actual site used to trade and tell us all how long it takes to get someone to buy said item from you, if you're going to make such an egregiously obtuse statement, at least have the confidence to back it up.

ok so you're stating that you don't know of ANY WAY to use the trade website without premium stash tabs in order to sell items, a FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE in any ARPG, is that what you're admitting here? i just want to make sure I'm 100% crystal clear in that there's no secret method of selling items on the trade site that doesn't involve paying actual real currency for 'premium stash tabs'.

i wasn't aware the in-game exchange could be used to sell unwanted loot items, could you point me in the direction of that functionality please, because I must have missed it when I last used it en masse, or are you just talking in generalities and expecting people to accept your asinine statement at face value not realising there's a million hoops to jump through for your statement to even begin to make sense?

[Mevaya]

"Public stash tabs are neccessary and fundamental to the core gameplay experience of PoE"

Meanwhile SSF exists.
Trade channel exists.
First few years of PoE1 trading through forum was the main way to trade.
Discord channels like "Hidden Trove" exists.

This is a stupid conversation.

[Edge-]

ok so you're stating that you don't know of ANY WAY to use the trade website without premium stash tabs in order to sell items, a FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE in any ARPG, is that what you're admitting here? i just want to make sure I'm 100% crystal clear in that there's no secret method of selling items on the trade site that doesn't involve paying actual real currency for 'premium stash tabs'.

Again, as Fencers noted: You can use it to purchase items without a premium stash tabs. You cannot sell items, but you can purchase.

Though again: If trade was a "fundamental" part of the experience SSF could not exist. If something "fundamental" is removed and the thing still works, it's not actually fundamental. Trade is a big part of the endgame experience, and I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.

But the argument remains:

Trade remains available, but less accessible, without premium stash tabs.

It is not "fundamental", given the existence and popularity of the SSF game mode. Heck, while I don't think they've talked about it for a while last I recall Chris (tells you how long ago this was) was pretty open that only a very small portion of the overall playerbase even traded. I'm sure it's gone up considerably since then, but I'd be surprised if the number was remotely close to 50% of players.

You can dislike that and I don't think anyone is saying that's an invalid opinion/feeling.

[Nzx]

ok so you're stating that you don't know of ANY WAY to use the trade website without premium stash tabs in order to sell items, a FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE in any ARPG, is that what you're admitting here? i just want to make sure I'm 100% crystal clear in that there's no secret method of selling items on the trade site that doesn't involve paying actual real currency for 'premium stash tabs'.

Am I missing something here? Are you unaware of the ability to use a forum post to list items for sale in your normal stash tabs? You post a forum thread, it puts your item on the trade site regardless of what tab it's in. Are you this mad about something you've spent zero time understanding or what?

p.s. selling items isn't a fundamental part of 'any ARPG'. I've never bought or sold anything in Last Epoch or Diablo 4 or Torchlight.

[rogoth]

Am I missing something here? Are you unaware of the ability to use a forum post to list items for sale in your normal stash tabs? You post a forum thread, it puts your item on the trade site regardless of what tab it's in. Are you this mad about something you've spent zero time understanding or what?

p.s. selling items isn't a fundamental part of 'any ARPG'. I've never bought or sold anything in Last Epoch or Diablo 4 or Torchlight.

yes, yes you are, and no, you cannot post a forum thread with an item, you make a thread on the desolate trade forum, you put in the title the item you're selling, then add a small description or price you want in the general post, there is NOTHING related to posting on the forum and the trading site, so where you're getting that information from, I do not know, so please cite your source there on that one, because I'm actually curious how a forum post, with no way to link items in game, can link directly to the separate trading site that uses a totally different system to sell gear.

so that tells me you either haven't played in around 12 months, or you have ignored the bazaar and the ENTIRE faction dedicated to trading, which the vast majority of players who play LE use, or are you one of the minority of players who plays the circle of fortune faction and ignores all trading in general?

as far as D4 is concerned, I have never played, so have no comment on it because I don't know the systems in that game that allow trading, how easy or complicated it is, and what is required to engage with trading, so you tell me buttercup what that's all about.

and finally, trading, the ability to get gold/in-game currency for loot you don't need is, and always has been a core aspect of ARPG gameplay, the fact you ACTIVELY CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS, is actually a minority mindset and gameplay loop, the vast majority of players play this game, and many others in the genre with the ability to trade either because they do not have the time or skill necessary to get the highest tier loot and as such are more than willing to trade to get it, in fact, trading is so fundamental to the genre, that some games in the genre had to ADD IN an SSF mode long after they were released because only a small subset of players wanted that game mode, so again, I'm curious, why does a minority viewpoint make what I have said wrong?

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Again, as Fencers noted: You can use it to purchase items without a premium stash tabs. You cannot sell items, but you can purchase.

Though again: If trade was a "fundamental" part of the experience SSF could not exist. If something "fundamental" is removed and the thing still works, it's not actually fundamental. Trade is a big part of the endgame experience, and I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.

But the argument remains:

Trade remains available, but less accessible, without premium stash tabs.

It is not "fundamental", given the existence and popularity of the SSF game mode. Heck, while I don't think they've talked about it for a while last I recall Chris (tells you how long ago this was) was pretty open that only a very small portion of the overall playerbase even traded. I'm sure it's gone up considerably since then, but I'd be surprised if the number was remotely close to 50% of players.

You can dislike that and I don't think anyone is saying that's an invalid opinion/feeling.

I'm going to ask you a very basic question, and I really want you to consider the answer before you think of posting, because I really need to understand this schism with what you THINK is being discussed here, and what is actually being discussed here:

considering the vast majority of players are BY DEFAULT playing in the 'standard league' upon game start and character creation, is it not a FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE to be able to trade items for currency?

I'm not talking about a segregated and separate game mode that a minority of people play, I'm not talking about a game mode that many ARPGs either don't have on release or add later down the line IF it is requested enough by their respective player bases.

and to state that, and I quote, 'Trade is a big part of the endgame experience', then contradict that by stating: 'Trade remains available, just less accessible.'

meaning that the developers are purposefully designing the game to be a worse gameplay experience by default for the vast majority of players in order to sell them the solution and make one of the core fundamental aspects of the gameplay experience a worse experience unless you pay real currency to alleviate that, is that not abhorrent to you?

or am I just so out of touch with how archaic and stupid this all is and this is just a normal thing I need to accept because 'that's how it was back when' as you keep reminding me and others?

[Fencers]

if that's true, then I want you to take an item that's considered 'mediocre', not bad, not great, just something that's an all-around solid item in that slot but not sought after by the community as a meta item or a high-quality piece and use every single means in the game to facilitate a sale that's NOT the actual site used to trade and tell us all how long it takes to get someone to buy said item from you, if you're going to make such an egregiously obtuse statement, at least have the confidence to back it up.

So again, this is all simply about the luxury of speed here for you personally. This is what you 'enjoy' or would 'prefer' at the very least. There is nothing wrong in this POV.

It is incorrect to assert that the luxury of trade efficacy is forced on the player as the core ("fundamental") gameplay experience.

ok so you're stating that you don't know of ANY WAY to use the trade website without premium stash tabs in order to sell items, a FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE in any ARPG

This is also not true.

Not all (or even many) ARPGs have trade as a fundamental aspect of the play experience, even have trading, allow trading in the same manner, or have a out-of-game, undocumented & un-tutorialized (such s POE1 & 2) system of trade via a web site interface.

Undecember, Diablo 4, Diablo 2, Diablo 3, Carbon, Dragonkin, Chaosbane, Inquisitor Martyr, Torchlight Infintie, Grim Dawn, Last Epoch, and Path of Exile 1 and 2 - all do not share the same parameters of trade in practice, expression or operation and some do not have trading at all. These are all recent games and most have been updated in the past year at the least if not monthly.

Player-to-player trade is not fundamental to the genre. It may be what you would like/prefer and you are calling that "fundamental". And that is once again, cool. But no game or developer needs to necessarily satisfy those desires in the way you wish.

is that what you're admitting here? i just want to make sure I'm 100% crystal clear in that there's no secret method of selling items on the trade site that doesn't involve paying actual real currency for 'premium stash tabs'.

I already stated the premium tabs are for use with the trade website API. There was literally no word said otherwise about this.

You are confusing the use of the trade website for selling via indexed stash tabs as trading by default. This is not the case; other vectors exist to trade as a seller do not use the premium tabs or website as already mentioned. Further, neither Path of Exile 1 or 2 have any gameplay expression or game design that is forced on the player to use either the trade website (which isn't even listed or explained in either game).

How are they forcing players to use a thing they don't even give you the website address for?

i wasn't aware the in-game exchange could be used to sell unwanted loot items, could you point me in the direction of that functionality please

No one made this claim. I simply said the exchange is a trading platform. Which it is. And is freely available.

Trade in POE is not only bound to items a character can wear. An honest answer for interaction that facilitates trade is inclusive of the currency exchange in-game as much as the website and premium tabs.

[Edge-]

yes, yes you are, and no, you cannot post a forum thread with an item, you make a thread on the desolate trade forum you put in the title the item you're selling, then add a small description or price you want in the general post, there is NOTHING related to posting on the forum and the trading site, so where you're getting that information from, I do not know, so please cite your source there on that one, because I'm actually curious how a forum post, with no way to link items in game, can link directly to the separate trading site that uses a totally different system to sell gear.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2215

There's the forum.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3718036
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3717913
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3716218

Some pretty straightforward listings. You can add them to your friends list in-game to DM them about it when they're on, or DM them on the forums to arrange a time to trade.

Again, not optimal and not heavily used, but it's used. This is literally how most trading used to be done "back in the day".

so that tells me you either haven't played in around 12 months, or you have ignored the bazaar and the ENTIRE faction dedicated to trading, which the vast majority of players who play LE use, or are you one of the minority of players who plays the circle of fortune faction and ignores all trading in general?

Hi, I didn't engage with the Traders Guild at all when I played, either. Again, I generally prefer SSF gameplay. Traders Guild benefitted from some very strong passives around launch, IIRC, which probably drove many people to it as well. It also has an AH system that GGG have repeatedly explicitly said they do not want - only compromising on the currency exchange very recently.

and finally, trading, the ability to get gold/in-game currency for loot you don't need is, and always has been a core aspect of ARPG gameplay

Again, this is not correct. Diablo 1, which gave birth to the genre, was primarily played offline, with no trading. Diablo 2 thrived due to online play and trade, but trade made up a tiny minority of what the total playerbase engaged with.

And again - the existence of SSF modes/factions in multiple games to support players who don't want to engage in trade confirms this is not a "core aspect of ARPG gameplay".

You find it very important. I agree, in modern ARPGs trading is a major feature and very valuable. But you keep repeating that it's "core/foundational" despite being shown example after example of ARPGs and entire game modes that exist with no ability to trade.

[Nzx]

yes, yes you are, and no, you cannot post a forum thread with an item, you make a thread on the desolate trade forum, you put in the title the item you're selling, then add a small description or price you want in the general post, there is NOTHING related to posting on the forum and the trading site, so where you're getting that information from, I do not know, so please cite your source there on that one, because I'm actually curious how a forum post, with no way to link items in game, can link directly to the separate trading site that uses a totally different system to sell gear.

The trade site indexes items from the forum. Premium stash tabs automate/remove the process of creating a post on the forums, they do not enable the concept of selling items. I'm not interested in you having a fucking babyrage at me because you're incapable of understanding how the site and the forum work together. Go and read. Look at any post of an item on the forum and find it on the trade site. Test it yourself with your own items. Your inability to parse basic concepts is not my problem.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:L...le_trade_forum

so that tells me you either haven't played in around 12 months, or you have ignored the bazaar and the ENTIRE faction dedicated to trading, which the vast majority of players who play LE use, or are you one of the minority of players who plays the circle of fortune faction and ignores all trading in general?

The full release of LE hasn't even existed for 12 months. Yes, I ignored the bazaar and the entire faction dedicated to trading. I played circle and never engaged with trade at all. I also played the game for 150 hours and maxed out multiple characters with varying builds. As a result I find it impossible to believe that trading is "integral" to the experience at all. Given you have spent this much time and effort crying on a different forum instead of googling how to sell items in PoE though I suspect your concept of "integral" is extremely flawed.

GL with whatever it is you're mad about here.

[rogoth]

The trade site indexes items from the forum. Premium stash tabs automate/remove the process of creating a post on the forums, they do not enable the concept of selling items. I'm not interested in you having a fucking babyrage at me because you're incapable of understanding how the site and the forum work together. Go and read. Look at any post of an item on the forum and find it on the trade site. Test it yourself with your own items. Your inability to parse basic concepts is not my problem.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:L...le_trade_forum



The full release of LE hasn't even existed for 12 months. Yes, I ignored the bazaar and the entire faction dedicated to trading. I played circle and never engaged with trade at all. I also played the game for 150 hours and maxed out multiple characters with varying builds. As a result I find it impossible to believe that trading is "integral" to the experience at all. Given you have spent this much time and effort crying on a different forum instead of googling how to sell items in PoE though I suspect your concept of "integral" is extremely flawed.

GL with whatever it is you're mad about here.

thank you, I appreciate your asinine response that does absolutely nothing whatsoever for what I originally said 4-5 pages back at this point, because as usual, you join midway through and think you're being clever, sadly, you're not.

and just to check your statement, I have searched the 'selling forum' for an item listing, I then went to the dedicated trade site, and no item with those stats exists, so once again, I'm struggling to understand what the fuck it is you're waffling on about here.

as an aside, I gave the window of 12 months relating to LE, because the trading and SSF factions have existed in the game for a little over 12 months at this point, so I fail to see what the fuck the game release has to do with the price of cheese here.

[Nzx]

and just to check your statement, I have searched the 'selling forum' for an item listing, I then went to the dedicated trade site, and no item with those stats exists, so once again, I'm struggling to understand what the fuck it is you're waffling on about here.

You haven't got a clue. Stop with the fucking personal attacks and listen to what people are telling you.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/se...lers/RKwmobRi7
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3720177

[rogoth]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2215

There's the forum.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3718036
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3717913
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3716218

Some pretty straightforward listings. You can add them to your friends list in-game to DM them about it when they're on, or DM them on the forums to arrange a time to trade.

Again, not optimal and not heavily used, but it's used. This is literally how most trading used to be done "back in the day".



Hi, I didn't engage with the Traders Guild at all when I played, either. Again, I generally prefer SSF gameplay. Traders Guild benefitted from some very strong passives around launch, IIRC, which probably drove many people to it as well. It also has an AH system that GGG have repeatedly explicitly said they do not want - only compromising on the currency exchange very recently.



Again, this is not correct. Diablo 1, which gave birth to the genre, was primarily played offline, with no trading. Diablo 2 thrived due to online play and trade, but trade made up a tiny minority of what the total playerbase engaged with.

And again - the existence of SSF modes/factions in multiple games to support players who don't want to engage in trade confirms this is not a "core aspect of ARPG gameplay".

You find it very important. I agree, in modern ARPGs trading is a major feature and very valuable. But you keep repeating that it's "core/foundational" despite being shown example after example of ARPGs and entire game modes that exist with no ability to trade.

so your example of items listed on the site are 2 items actually for sale, and 1 item listed for sale on the dedicated trading site by the admission of the poster, who is looking for a price on the item, that's literally the only posts on the first page among a sea of 'service selling' posts and other such posts that drown out any other posts, meaning that the forum is not an adequate way to sell items.

so again I'm asking, because something was done this way 'back in the day' does that mean there should be no solutions added that improve on that relatively ancient and decrepit system? or am I just supposed to accept this old archaic and frankly not fit for purpose system without complaint?

with regard to your actively choosing to play an SSF mode makes you a minority, as you not only know about that game mode, but you actively pursue it, is that the kind of thing the 'average' player would do, do you think? i ask because I know that they don't and that the vast majority of people play the most common game mode, which in the case of PoE2 is 'standard league' which has trading allowed, which by your own admission is heavily restricted unless you pay for premium tabs, which by extension means that new players and people who are unfamiliar with other game modes are literally being hamstrung when it comes to one of the FUNDAMENTAL GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCES that they have access to, I truly don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp here?

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You haven't got a clue. Stop with the fucking personal attacks and listen to what people are telling you.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/se...lers/RKwmobRi7
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3720177

why the fuck are you listing 'path of exile' items and trade when that's NOT what's being discussed here?

you're literally DRIPPING with irony considering you're trying to respond with some quip you think is smart when you're not even talking about the same fucking topic WHATSOEVER, I'm talking here about PoE2, as per my ORIGINAL comment some pages ago, and yet here you are banging on about PoE1, and I would gladly 'listen to what people are telling me' if it was fucking accurate or even remotely helpful, but it's not, so pipe the fuck down please and try reading yourself before posting in future.

[Nzx]

why the fuck are you listing 'path of exile' items and trade when that's NOT what's being discussed here?

you're literally DRIPPING with irony considering you're trying to respond with some quip you think is smart when you're not even talking about the same fucking topic WHATSOEVER, I'm talking here about PoE2, as per my ORIGINAL comment some pages ago, and yet here you are banging on about PoE1, and I would gladly 'listen to what people are telling me' if it was fucking accurate or even remotely helpful, but it's not, so pipe the fuck down please and try reading yourself before posting in future.

Are the goalposts in place for the super bowl yet or are you still in the process of moving those too?

[rogoth]

So again, this is all simply about the luxury of speed here for you personally. This is what you 'enjoy' or would 'prefer' at the very least. There is nothing wrong in this POV.

It is incorrect to assert that the luxury of trade efficacy is forced on the player as the core ("fundamental") gameplay experience.


This is also not true.

Not all (or even many) ARPGs have trade as a fundamental aspect of the play experience, even have trading, allow trading in the same manner, or have a out-of-game, undocumented & un-tutorialized (such s POE1 & 2) system of trade via a web site interface.

Undecember, Diablo 4, Diablo 2, Diablo 3, Carbon, Dragonkin, Chaosbane, Inquisitor Martyr, Torchlight Infintie, Grim Dawn, Last Epoch, and Path of Exile 1 and 2 - all do not share the same parameters of trade in practice, expression or operation and some do not have trading at all. These are all recent games and most have been updated in the past year at the least if not monthly.

Player-to-player trade is not fundamental to the genre. It may be what you would like/prefer and you are calling that "fundamental". And that is once again, cool. But no game or developer needs to necessarily satisfy those desires in the way you wish.



I already stated the premium tabs are for use with the trade website API. There was literally no word said otherwise about this.

You are confusing the use of the trade website for selling via indexed stash tabs as trading by default. This is not the case; other vectors exist to trade as a seller do not use the premium tabs or website as already mentioned. Further, neither Path of Exile 1 or 2 have any gameplay expression or game design that is forced on the player to use either the trade website (which isn't even listed or explained in either game).

How are they forcing players to use a thing they don't even give you the website address for?

No one made this claim. I simply said the exchange is a trading platform. Which it is. And is freely available.

Trade in POE is not only bound to items a character can wear. An honest answer for interaction that facilitates trade is inclusive of the currency exchange in-game as much as the website and premium tabs.

no, it's got nothing to do with 'speed' and more to do with actually selling items, which is nigh impossible without access to the dedicated trading site, which requires the use of premium stash tabs, which is a paywalled item that is DIRECTLY impacting the gameplay experience of the vast majority of players and a core aspect to the game for that vast majority of players, and yet you and EDGE are championing this as totally fine, and that having a worse experience is just 'how it works' and should be accepted, it's truly baffling to me that you suggest a forum site that has so little traffic it sees maybe 4-5 ACTUAL trade posts a day, or an in-game trade channel that has been so overrun with bots and scammers that it's literally impossible to use as most have it turned off or think you're one of the aforementioned bots/scammers and actively ignore you, meaning that other than the dedicated trading site, there's no FEASIBLE way to trade in the game, which for the vast majority of players, is a FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF THEIR GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE, and in order for that to not be the case, you're forced to pay real money, which is abhorrent.

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Are the goalposts in place for the super bowl yet or are you still in the process of moving those too?

just to be clear, you come into a discussion at the 'midway point', make some bullshit quip thinking you're clever without reading the context of the original post that started this whole thing, and now you try to pass off your own moronic responses with 'oh you moving goalposts now or something?' It's not my fault you screwed up, that's a you problem, because I stated quite clearly in my ORIGINAL post, not only what I was talking about, but my experience, so in future, if you don't know what's going on, I suggest not posting at and staying quiet because you made yourself look like an absolute clown going on the way you have when nothing you said was either correct, or pertinent to the topic at hand.

[Nzx]

just to be clear, you come into a discussion at the 'midway point', make some bullshit quip thinking you're clever without reading the context of the original post that started this whole thing, and now you try to pass off your own moronic responses with 'oh you moving goalposts now or something?' It's not my fault you screwed up, that's a you problem, because I stated quite clearly in my ORIGINAL post, not only what I was talking about, but my experience, so in future, if you don't know what's going on, I suggest not posting at and staying quiet because you made yourself look like an absolute clown going on the way you have when nothing you said was either correct, or pertinent to the topic at hand.

So let's all get inside your head a little bit. You're playing an early access version of a sequel to a game. The original game has forum-based trading that integrates with a trading site to index your items for sale. In the 0.1.0 release of the EA, this indexation is not fully implemented. The forum itself is, and you have full posting rights there in order to sell your items, but the direct integration isn't yet built. Instead of thinking perhaps they're focused on the actual core tenets of the gameplay (so not trading, which isn't a core gameplay tenet of PoE2 or any other ARPG) and will build the indexation later, you jump on an unrelated forum and abuse other people in service of declaring that selling premium stash tabs in a free game is 'abhorrent'. Given one of your central complaints is that "almost no one" uses the trade forum, you are in the clear and obvious minority - else the forum would be exceptionally busy.

All of this, of course, misses one important piece of information, which is that you must have received 300 points in addition to your early access to the game. As a result, you had ample opportunity to buy the premium stash tab yourself as a freebie alongside the EA that you paid for, but you apparently didn't, and now you're mad that the pre-release version of the game doesn't let you trade items easily.

If you didn't have access to 300 points as a result of buying EA, then you must have been given a key for free. If you got the game itself for free as a handout, and are now complaining that all of the bells and whistles aren't fully implemented at Day 1 of early access, and you refuse to spend $5 on supporting the development of the game, then that is the truly 'abhorrent' part of this situation.

I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. This is just absurd entitlement.

[rogoth]

So let's all get inside your head a little bit. You're playing an early access version of a sequel to a game. The original game has forum-based trading that integrates with a trading site to index your items for sale. In the 0.1.0 release of the EA, this indexation is not fully implemented. The forum itself is, and you have full posting rights there in order to sell your items, but the direct integration isn't yet built. Instead of thinking perhaps they're focused on the actual core tenets of the gameplay (so not trading, which isn't a core gameplay tenet of PoE2 or any other ARPG) and will build the indexation later, you jump on an unrelated forum and abuse other people in service of declaring that selling premium stash tabs in a free game is 'abhorrent'. Given one of your central complaints is that "almost no one" uses the trade forum, you are in the clear and obvious minority - else the forum would be exceptionally busy.

All of this, of course, misses one important piece of information, which is that you must have received 300 points in addition to your early access to the game. As a result, you had ample opportunity to buy the premium stash tab yourself as a freebie alongside the EA that you paid for, but you apparently didn't, and now you're mad that the pre-release version of the game doesn't let you trade items easily.

If you didn't have access to 300 points as a result of buying EA, then you must have been given a key for free. If you got the game itself for free as a handout, and are now complaining that all of the bells and whistles aren't fully implemented at Day 1 of early access, and you refuse to spend $5 on supporting the development of the game, then that is the truly 'abhorrent' part of this situation.

I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. This is just absurd entitlement.

as I stated, I never played PoE1, but again you would have known this if you had read the original comment I made instead of making up your own narrative and having an argument with ghosts.

so the devs are happy and able to copy/paste much of the original game into the 'sequel', but they can't manage to copy/paste their solution to the trading problem from the first game, OUTSTANDING!

i wasn't aware you worked on the game and spoke with authority on what is, and is not a core gameplay experience that the development team want players to have, I'm deeply sorry, please enlighten me more on what these 'core tenets' of PoE2 are, seeing as it's my first and only experience with the GGG developed game franchise.

first off, I was responding to a different comment made regarding the blog post that came out and was posted here, secondly, my comment was that it's abhorrent to make the base gameplay experience worse, then sell a 'solution' and have it be a paywall to actually being able to trade in the game, which I'll remind you, is a FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT of the vast majority of people who are playing this game, not only that but are you genuinely, with no hint of irony or sarcasm trying to champion such an anti-consumer practice? because if so, then that's seriously something you need to look at with some introspection because that's not a good look for you, furthermore, the game is not 'free', it's pay to play and will be this way for AT LEAST 6-12 months, and based on the latest videos and blog posts, it's likely to be the latter of that timeline, whether it's 'free' a year from now is IRRELEVANT because right now, it's not, so once again I'm struggling to see what that has to do with the price of cheese.

lastly, whether I have the premium stash tabs or not is also irrelevant, because my point wasn't predicated on whether I had them or not, but that they were being used as a paywall to prevent ADEQUATE TRADING in the game, and my aforementioned thoughts on that notion, clearly you lack the necessary grey matter to comprehend this concept because your response here proves that it never crossed your mind and all you care about is a binary response 'yes/no', you cannot fathom that other responses exist.

I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. This is just absurd entitlement.

and there it is, the stereotypical 'I have been called out for my stupidity and I can't think of a way out of my self-made predicament so I'm gonna pretend like I'm backing out and taking the faux moral high ground' in order to try and save face from your own stupidity and hubris.

[Nzx]

Looking forward to PoE1 league. Somehow I doubt it will be a "one month" thing, but I suspect they've done that because they have a rough expectation that 0.2.0 will be coming out one month after league start and want the maximum amount of attention for that release as possible. Will be super lame if they have 16 new ascendancies and you only get four weeks to play around with them though - in any case I'm excited about what craziness will come out of build crafting after the previews they've shown so far.