[Megathread] Path of Exile

[bloodwulf]

Nope, prolly cannot be done as league starter.

But well, I never do end-game build as league starter, always do something simple that works without any currency and slowly acquire gear for all-rounder, then i pick a "project" and again acquire/craft gear for that project.

Harvest was awesome for SSF players as it enabled a lot of more builds there.
However (unless you have OCD) dont play on SSF. You are just limiting yourself the number of builds you can actually complete, and nothing forces you to trade on trade league.

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I mean, group SSF is just trade league where you don't trade with external people, just among yourselves.

Ive played SSF exclusively since Legion, and never was limited on builds, its amazing what you find and how creative you get with stuff. Heck, since One with Nothing existed ive always been able to get it on SSF. I just don't see myself doing more than 3 weeks tops in Heist. The mechanic is okay, but there is just too much competition for game time soon.

[kaminaris]

Ive played SSF exclusively since Legion, and never was limited on builds, its amazing what you find and how creative you get with stuff. Heck, since One with Nothing existed ive always been able to get it on SSF. I just don't see myself doing more than 3 weeks tops in Heist. The mechanic is okay, but there is just too much competition for game time soon.

That entirely depends on you. For example i absolutely hate looking for lab trials only to find duplicate 9001 times. This is one of the reasons, but a main reason why I will never play SSF.

BUT if you want to create a build around 1 unique that is hard to get, you might eventually lose tons of time trying to find it instead of actually doing build and playing it. That is the second reason.

I crafted my Int stacker gear myself except for wand which would be extreme pain in the ass to craft.

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It is, but it would be cool if there was something separate so you don't have your main stash and 10 leagues worth of "remove-only" pages cluttering up your stash and making a "fresh start" impossible. We're doing that, just rolling standard characters, but trying to store and keep gear straight is going to be a god-damned nightmare. Because stash management on standard, especially with multiple leagues worth of additional temporary pages, is bloody awful.

There will be, not sure if you heard but there will be a major stash rework including (but not limited to) hide remove only stash.
Tho it won't solve your issues of having tons of gear in standard, kinda impossible.

[bloodwulf]

That entirely depends on you. For example i absolutely hate looking for lab trials only to find duplicate 9001 times. This is one of the reasons, but a main reason why I will never play SSF.

BUT if you want to create a build around 1 unique that is hard to get, you might eventually lose tons of time trying to find it instead of actually doing build and playing it. That is the second reason.

I crafted my Int stacker gear myself except for wand which would be extreme pain in the ass to craft.

I guess i never had issues with the lab trials. I typically get all of them done before i even have the gear to run Uber. My hardest chase unique for a build was Cold-Iron Point one league. I ended up chancing it. I have found Shavs and Impulsa the last two leagues, and have chanced things like Kaoms and CIP relatively easily. Harvest i quite after only 4 weeks just because the mechanic was boring as hell, but the crafting was good when i had access to it, so i made some stupid shit for my VD character.

[Edge-]

There will be, not sure if you heard but there will be a major stash rework including (but not limited to) hide remove only stash.
Tho it won't solve your issues of having tons of gear in standard, kinda impossible.

Got a link? I haven't seen that anywhere >.>

Edit: Oh, the "hide remove-only tabs" feature is in the game already. That'll be a huge improvement in managing stash pages!

[Marrilaife]

I never thought once playing POE, "Ya'know, I wish I could hard cast more curses."

Yep, and from what GGG said impending doom doesn't even work with bane.

How the hell you managed to "fail" harvest? Literally a tons of guides, ready-to-go layouts and even online planner

It's not a layout problem. It's a lifeforce sustain problem. I would always run out and my t2/t3/t4 seeds would not grow. None of the "glowing brain strat spreadsheets" even touched on this problem.

Like my current project - Int stacker. I am already past like 3-4 mirrors in it and only recently it got past CoC in terms of performance... BUT it also scales much better.

Then we have nothing to talk about. "How do you make a good build? Easy, just spend a few mirrors on it."

I would love to see GGG statistics how big % of their playerbase never sees more than 3 exalts per league, not even mentioning 3 mirrors.

It's not about how smart someone is, it's usually about nolifing it and exploiting the economy. Obviously not counting the people who silently RMT.

Your posts make as much sense as typical POE reddit thread, like the one I remember that was giving "advice" to newbies "how to make currency" and nearly every step on that list required a build that can already speed farm top tier maps. Meanwhile I can go to poe builds subreddit and every other day see a poor chap who's like "I can't pass t6 maps what am I doing wrong?" I would usually try to help them but most of the time the underlying problem is they tried to copy a build that doesn't pick off before 50ex investment, 20ex bare minimum, but got lured by the promise of "amazing build that destroys everything on a budget" with the slight detail of "budget" being 30ex+ because the "non budget" version costs multiple mirrors.

I can usually complete my league goals and kill the required bosses even if with struggle, so I'm probably somewhere in the middle between "hardstuck in white maps" and "this game is so ez" crowd, but holy shit the power disparity between players is disgusting, which generally perpetrates the cycle of "rich get richer", and gets fueled by how many hours per day someone spends on the game.

Tbh depending on league challenge rewards I might take a break for heist, it seems most of the rewards are targeted at people who didn't have enough obscure chase items to min-max their builds. Last time I was excited for the league "build enhancing" mechanic (as opposed to "gameplay mechanic") were cluster jewels in delirium. I had tons of fun with them, shame they got nerfed.

At least GGG confirmed you can't have rogue companions die or lose xp so that's good. I was really worried that would be annoying to deal with (like basically any escort quest in any game ever).

One thing I'm waiting to see is the slightly mentioned possible buffs to some spells if they're self-cast. I'm sick and tired of every "spell caster" build being spellslinger, mines, coc, or some other proc / non self cast mechanic. Very few spells are viable for self cast atm, like blade vortex or cremation but even goddamn essence drain is played on spellslinger nowadays.

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Oh, the "hide remove-only tabs" feature is in the game already. That'll be a huge improvement in managing stash pages!

Yep, also new leagues copy the layout of the main stash now if you have a lot of tabs, so you don't have to move and rename them every time new league starts. Haven't tested if it works in private leagues but hopefully it does.

[kaminaris]

Then we have nothing to talk about. "How do you make a good build? Easy, just spend a few mirrors on it."

Of course we do, you expect all builds to be homogenized and perform the same at every level of investment. That would make game dead in a week.

Right now you have about 3 types of build in terms of investment vs result.
League starter - cheap and just works.
All rounder - medium investment starts working at about 1ex investment, scales up to 100ex
End game - expensive build that sucks when not invested at least 50ex catches up to all rounder in 200ex and shines above that.

And you basically want all builds to be all rounders.

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It's not about how smart someone is, it's usually about nolifing it and exploiting the economy. Obviously not counting the people who silently RMT.

That is not a problem with ggg or game design but 2head people who cant do basic math and complaining that earning currency is hard.
Thankfully ggg doesn't listen to these people.
"Full casuals" dont complain about that since all-rounder/league starter build are ultimately capable of killing all bosses with a bit of practice and copying builds from guides.

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Your posts make as much sense as typical POE reddit thread, like the one I remember that was giving "advice" to newbies "how to make currency" and nearly every step on that list required a build that can already speed farm top tier maps. Meanwhile I can go to poe builds subreddit and every other day see a poor chap who's like "I can't pass t6 maps what am I doing wrong?" I would usually try to help them but most of the time the underlying problem is they tried to copy a build that doesn't pick off before 50ex investment, 20ex bare minimum, but got lured by the promise of "amazing build that destroys everything on a budget" with the slight detail of "budget" being 30ex+ because the "non budget" version costs multiple mirrors.

That is nonsense, fastest way to make easy currency is to start with some scuffed league-starter that is fast and run maps, sell stuff.
My recent league starter test - assassin fireball firestorm spellslinger build was like 20-50c with totally scuffed gear and zero qual gems. It was able to do red maps till T16.
The problem is that most guides out there are from people who have no fukken clue what are they talking about and share builds that only look good but don't work.

I can usually complete my league goals and kill the required bosses even if with struggle, so I'm probably somewhere in the middle between "hardstuck in white maps" and "this game is so ez" crowd, but holy shit the power disparity between players is disgusting, which generally perpetrates the cycle of "rich get richer", and gets fueled by how many hours per day someone spends on the game.

Another nonsense. For example one properly done cycle of betrayal yields from 40-120c with just T3 vorici on research, throw there in that fled, upgrade breachstone and another 80c more. Hillock in intervention this league was 1-2ex.
Alva T3 corruption item = 2ex, t3 corruption gem = 1ex.
Can be done even on white maps since white sockets, breachstones, map quality, item/gem corruption doesn't have ilvl requirement.
This league also query farming yielded tons of currency.

Hell I even sold my sirus A8 for 2ex at the beginning of league.

And funny thing is, I dont play more than 5h a day. Which like half of my play time is afking with game minimized and waiting for people to buy my shit.
I would prolly play more if we had proper AH.

And here is some real calcs.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/729222542?t=6h28m18s

Tbh depending on league challenge rewards I might take a break for heist, it seems most of the rewards are targeted at people who didn't have enough obscure chase items to min-max their builds. Last time I was excited for the league "build enhancing" mechanic (as opposed to "gameplay mechanic") were cluster jewels in delirium. I had tons of fun with them, shame they got nerfed.

Clusters are still OP, and they got buffed except for herald stacker builds.
By buffed I mean every large cluster has built in 2 sockets, no more socket RNG, every medium cluster has 1 socket.

Also stash tabs are going to have this feature where clicking on currency items automaticlly allocate them to specified tab ex shift click chaos will always put them in currency tab.

[Vorkreist]

Harvest T2 seeds are literally printing money. So that is on your end to not understand how to profit from these.

And you could always sell the seeds. If you dont want to do it.

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Then dont farm it! Holy fuck how such simple solution was overthought? You literally could ignore entire garden, grab and sell seeds.
Thanfully PoE is NOT moving away from that direction and new leauge is looking complex as fuck. And garden is coming back.

If you dont like that stuff stick to diablo.

I did indeed ignore that retarded thing just like most people. Again you should stick to your minecraft instead of pretending that kind of stupid stuff belongs in a arpg.

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And garden is coming back.

Hopefully with crafts nerfed below sea level so only lego fanboys have a reason to do it.

[Gorsameth]

Even just keeping the basic first tier craft as they were would be an absolutely incredible, and much needed, boost to casual players making it way easier to target things like t1 life roll.

[Enjeh]

And garden is coming back.

wait, it is?

[kaminaris]

I did indeed ignore that retarded thing just like most people. Again you should stick to your minecraft instead of pretending that kind of stupid stuff belongs in a arpg.

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Hopefully with crafts nerfed below sea level so only lego fanboys have a reason to do it.

Fortunately most people did not ignore this, thats why there were so many crafts to buy. Yep that kind of stuff belongs in PoE. Vast majority of people had at least T1 garden setup.

And nope its not going to be nerfed super hard. They are trying to bring it back without disrupting other stuff. Targetted crafting is needed in such game and since it cannot be easy like benchcraft it has to be some work behind it.

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wait, it is?

Yep. GG is planning to bring it back in a way it doesn't disrupt other newer league mechanics. If they would keep it in core in this state people would literally ignore heist and do garden instead.

[Enjeh]

Yep. GG is planning to bring it back in a way it doesn't disrupt other newer league mechanics. If they would keep it in core in this state people would literally ignore heist and do garden instead.

Ah right, I thought you meant as the state it is in now and that I had missed a announcement somewhere. but yeah, In a future league they will re-introduce the harvest crafting mechanics in some form.

[bloodwulf]

wait, it is?

They literally only said that the crafting it brought would come back in some fashion in the future. I do not recall them ever explicitly saying the garden itself will come back, but the deterministic crafting will likely see some new implementation (albeit heavily nerfed if i was betting).

[LucyKemp]

I love the new expansion it's looking promising!

[kaminaris]

They literally only said that the crafting it brought would come back in some fashion in the future. I do not recall them ever explicitly saying the garden itself will come back, but the deterministic crafting will likely see some new implementation (albeit heavily nerfed if i was betting).

They said about whole leage mechanics. Remember that oshabi was a boss, some T4 seeds were also bosses with unique item drops.

My guess is that it will become something like harder to get, whole garden will be cut down the size and it will grow regardless of opening seed caches but just with maps.

[Beazy]

Anyone else playing in 2560x1440 and the game stutters like every 5 seconds?

Anyone know how to fix this? No matter what settings I change, it simply stutters every few seconds, makes the game completely unplayable.

[Edge-]

Anyone else playing in 2560x1440 and the game stutters like every 5 seconds?

Anyone know how to fix this? No matter what settings I change, it simply stutters every few seconds, makes the game completely unplayable.

You running with vsync on or artificial framerate cap in-game? I started playing again today and noticed similar stuttering, I had capped my FPS to 65. Swapped to vsync and it cleared right up.

Other than that, no clue.

[Beazy]

You running with vsync on or artificial framerate cap in-game? I started playing again today and noticed similar stuttering, I had capped my FPS to 65. Swapped to vsync and it cleared right up.

Other than that, no clue.

I tried VS on and off. Ill try changing my FPS cap.

[kaminaris]

I tried VS on and off. Ill try changing my FPS cap.

Vulkan or DX? Try changing to Vulkan. It is certainly much much much stable than DX.

Previously on DX trying to run a 150+ quant map with full delirium already made some extreme stutters, clicking alt crashed the game.
On Vulkan it only slows down to like 20 fps and lags for like 10 seconds after clicking alt but doesn't crash game.

[Beazy]

Vulkan or DX? Try changing to Vulkan. It is certainly much much much stable than DX.

Previously on DX trying to run a 150+ quant map with full delirium already made some extreme stutters, clicking alt crashed the game.
On Vulkan it only slows down to like 20 fps and lags for like 10 seconds after clicking alt but doesn't crash game.

Ok, I changed to vulcan, turned off vsync and locked FPS at 100. That solved it.

Not sure what caused this originally, there hasnt been a patch in a week or so. /shrug

Maybe I updated nvidia drivers and that caused the issue.

[kaminaris]

Ok, I changed to vulcan, turned off vsync and locked FPS at 100. That solved it.

Not sure what caused this originally, there hasnt been a patch in a week or so. /shrug

Maybe I updated nvidia drivers and that caused the issue.

its VulKan not Vulcan. But yes, GGG switched to primarily supporting Vulkan simply because its much more consistent across various graphic cards and driver versions.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2866813

The Vulkan renderer will not magically make your graphics card perform better than it previously did, but it will make performance a lot more consistent. This means that your peak frame rate will not increase, but you won't have anywhere near as many unpredictable spikes that were making the game feel stuttery and reducing average frame rate. Basically, this new renderer gives us complete control over how resources are managed, so we can tune it for Path of Exile's exact requirements.