Brewmaster self healing = nuts

[mikeo007]

[Edit] He just told me he was a brewmaster. Makes a bit more sense, but he could really dish out the hurt too. Still, healing through basically everything I could toss at him was wild.

Just got finished a few duels on the newest beta patch and WOW, windwalker monks have some insane self heals going on. Basically impossible to whittle them down on my spriest, it was a stalemate for about 6 minutes before I finally gave up and just /sit.

These guys self heal more than blood DKs used to, it's really quite a sight to see. Not sure if it will make it to live right now, but 1v1 they're basically unbeatable if they're any good at all.

[Dakara]

Not flaming, but if it was a stalemate for 6 minutes, this means that he wasn't able to kill you either. So was his DPS low or your self healing just as high?

A stalemate is a stalemate because neither can kill the other, not just because one is OP.

Just saying.

[mikeo007]

Not flaming, but if it was a stalemate for 6 minutes, this means that he wasn't able to kill you either. So was his DPS low or your self healing just as high?

A stalemate is a stalemate because neither can kill the other, not just because one is OP.

Just saying.

It's because he was a tank, and not very good at the class. His burst was decent though.
I'm used to stalemates against healers because they should be able to self heal 1v1, but against a tank it seems a bit high, that's all.
Also, spriests do have some insane self healing right now.

[Kaesebrezen]

Also, spriests do have some insane self healing right now.

Not really, the selfhealing from DP is the same as VE would've done.
It's just that DP healing is a lot easier to notice than VE.

[Verain]

A tank should not be able to outheal anyone, much less a caster. This sounds like a balance problem.

[Deleted]

A tank should not be able to outheal anyone, much less a caster. This sounds like a balance problem.

Why not? They are tanks, it only stands to logic they should be able to survive a single caster.

[Verain]

I'm sorry, that's not how this game has ever worked. Even blood DKs couldn't tank a single caster, and they were wildly OP in solo.

A tank normally has tons of melee-specific and physical-specific mitigation. If one has enough self heals to deal with a full magic caster, then he'll simply be unkillable except by anything like himself, and melee will absolutely bounce off him. Tanks are intended to receive heals in a group situation, not simply run around blinking with a full-time Mario Starman active.

A prot warrior can't solo a shadowpriest. Neither can a blood DK. A feral only has a shot because he's really a dps with a bunch of tank abilities he won't use, and guardians in mop sure won't be able to. A prot paladin definitely cannot. Most assuredly, a brewmaster should be standing shoulder to shoulder with this group of solid specs, not head and neck and shoulders above them.

[thelordymir]

So a healer should be able to outlast any class 1v1 but a tank shouldn't? You're kidding right?

[Schaden]

Bet diffuse magic had a lot to do with it.

[Luko]

Very recently started messing with monk (Yeah, avoided it until now) and I can confirm basically everything said here. The healing is absolutely insane. I've been taking him back through old content as well and his solo capabilities, even n 378 premade gear, is far outlasting even a raid geared Blood DK.

It basically seems like they're allowing the class to be powerful to draw initial attention to it, there's just no other reason for it. It's damage is incredible, it's heals are effortless, and the tanking is unstoppable. (Tanked a boss after everyone else bit the dust due to mechanics and there was absolutely no stopping me. Even went back at 85 and solo'd the better part of ZG last night just to prove my point.)

The damage we take is on par with other classes and gear but goddamn that self healing is insane.

[Ultima]

According to Swifty's perfect condition "burst" kill video, the Brewmaster is the lowest "damage dealer" taking 17 seconds to do 100% -> 0% standing behind the target with no retaliation. So that doesn't really sound like high damage.

Also, want to edit your title?

[Deleted]

Without vengeance stacking expel harm is gimped for brew masters.

[Verain]

So a healer should be able to outlast any class 1v1 but a tank shouldn't? You're kidding right?

Healers are limited by mana, at the very least.

And I'm definitely not kidding. If what OP is reporting is true, expect some wildly imba brewmasters on live, followed by very public outcry, and poorly thought out nerfs. If a tank can outheal a shadowpriest, then that's a real problem.

[Luko]

Healers are limited by mana, at the very least.

And I'm definitely not kidding. If what OP is reporting is true, expect some wildly imba brewmasters on live, followed by very public outcry, and poorly thought out nerfs. If a tank can outheal a shadowpriest, then that's a real problem.

As Mione pointed out, there will be balancing for sure. At the moment, the biggest tool for their surviving ridiculous encounters has been Zen Sphere. There's no way in hell that spell makes it to live as-is. It'd be fun, but it'll never happen.

[elfporn]

i dont see how it would be a problem if a healer/tank hybrid (or a tank that can heal itself) such as DK's and monks out heal a SHADOW priest. How could you have a problem with that?

although DK's do have to hit the target to heal. (but they dont have a healing spec such as the mistweaver)

DK tanks and brewmasters have their damage intake balanced with their healing in mind.


like someone pointed out, base healing will go up and VENGEANCE (that's the AP increase tanks get when they take damage) scaling will go down.

i could also foresee brewmasters equally DK's in healing; surpassing by far in an aoe situation.

[fearcazic]

Sounds balanced to me if it was a stalemate.

[Verain]

Zen Sphere, gotcha. Yea, GC just said that it's way overpowered and to not use it for feedback. Probably no concern here then.

[Luko]

Zen Sphere, gotcha. Yea, GC just said that it's way overpowered and to not use it for feedback. Probably no concern here then.

Yeah, without the sphere in heroics, the self healing is good, but it's no where near OP or even near DKs earlier in last expansion. It was fun, but it left me feeling like I couldn't pull like a moron in the gear I was in without stressing the healer. In other words, mission accomplished, considering my gear was entry level and not enchanted.

I don't worry too much about them for live. It's an incredibly fun spec and I'd hate to see it nerfed to a spec-changing extreme.