Haste Plateau/Breakpoint

[chazus]

So after reforging, etc etc, I hung just above 2589 Haste for the VT tick. I recently got a fair bit of new gear (including pants, which allowed me to switch to heroic shoulders off tier).

Doing some math, I found out with reforging and re-enchanting, I can hit the 3202 Haste, which I believe gives me another tick of DP(?). However I don't seem to gain an extra tick. Am I missing something or...?

[Nianif]

You get more IDP damage.

[chazus]

You get more IDP damage.

Nevermind, I was doing something stupid.

So it's pretty much the extra ~800 damage from per DP application. Is that worth tanking mastery over?

[h3lladvocate]

Did you try going 1 over the breakpoint? Depending on how blizz does its rounding and such, you might actually need 3203 to see the benefit.

[chazus]

Did you try going 1 over the breakpoint? Depending on how blizz does its rounding and such, you might actually need 3203 to see the benefit.

I'm currently at 3242. I tested with both 3242 and 3200, and didn't see a tick. IDP went up by 800 damage but over the course of a fight that's not much. I could convert that haste to mastery, but I'm not sure which is best.

[Arlee]

I'm currently at 3242. I tested with both 3242 and 3200, and didn't see a tick. IDP went up by 800 damage but over the course of a fight that's not much. I could convert that haste to mastery, but I'm not sure which is best.

In fights where you are moving more (and casting DP more times as a result) the extra haste is better than mastery, in fights like Spine for example mastery is better. If you don't want to be changing your gear per fight haste is probably better overall, but it's not a huge difference either way.

[chazus]

Out of curiousity... WHY does IDP get a little boost at 3202?

I understand adding ticks, because the spell gets so short, it has 'room' to fit in another tick at its original time frame. But what's up with more IDP damage?

[Crudelitas]

IDP damage is based on the total damage of the ticks by a percentage.

[chazus]

IDP damage is based on the total damage of the ticks by a percentage.

Which doesn't make any sense, if that's true.

Why would a tiny amount of haste increase the damage, if the damage done by ticks doesn't change?

Example.

At 3200 Haste, IDP does 30% of 29414 and hits for 8027, and then does 11 ticks of 2674 over 24.41s
At 3242 Haste, IDP does 30% of 29414 and hits for 8826, and then does 11 ticks of 2674 over 24.35s

The total damage doesn't change. The tick damage doesn't change. Why does the IDP damage change?

EDIT: On further inspection... it looks like IDP is only giving me 27% of my total damage below 3202... and above gives me the correct amount of 30%

[laplacedemon]

IDP damage is calculated without haste buffs, therefore at 3200 haste you get a 10 ticks worth of IDP (even if DP actually has 11 ticks), while >=3202 you get 11 ticks worth of IDP.

[Deleted]

why dont you just stack haste? i tried both stacking haste and reforging all haste over a "breakpoint" and guess what? i had more dmg with stacking haste! also found a post at shadowpriest. com that seams to support me. shadowpriest. com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=30171

[chazus]

why dont you just stack haste? i tried both stacking haste and reforging all haste over a "breakpoint" and guess what? i had more dmg with stacking haste!

Because our main block was Spine which favors mastery after the breakpoint.

[Deleted]

ok, if your raid needs the extra dmg while burst phase you should stick to reforging haste to mastery. you wont need to reforge like that later if your group has better gear. we dont even have a rogue or mage and i dont need to have sf every burst phase.

[Tapaj]

Thought having yourself at 3202 was what was needed with Dark Intent? To show the true benefit otherwise it was the 2589 then mastery stack. Been a long time since I had to research these things for I have left the game til MoP.

[Deleted]

with 3202 u dont get any extra Tick u only get IDP.

Vampiric TouchWithout Dark Intent With Dark Intent
Ticks Rating Goblin Ticks Rating Goblin
+1 218 90 +1 0 0
+2 2589 2437 +2 2141 1993
+3 4951 4776 +3 4431 4264
+4 7326 7127 +4 6740 6546
+5 9698 9476 +5 9043 8827

Devouring PlagueWithout Dark Intent With Dark Intent
Ticks Rating Goblin Ticks Rating Goblin
+1 0 0 +1 0 0
+2 1255 1115 +2 845 710
+3 2737 2583 +3 2284 2135
+4 4220 4051 +4 3724 3560
+5 5691 5508 +5 5152 4975
+6 7179 6981 +6 6597 6405

Shadow Word: PainWithout Dark Intent With Dark Intent
Ticks Rating Goblin Ticks Rating Goblin
+1 21 0 +1 0 0
+2 1993 1846 +2 1562 1419
+3 3970 3804 +3 3482 3320
+4 5945 5759 +4 5399 5219
+5 7913 7913 +5 7310 7111

here are the extra Ticks of the dots.

[Veiled]

why dont you just stack haste? i tried both stacking haste and reforging all haste over a "breakpoint" and guess what? i had more dmg with stacking haste! also found a post at shadowpriest. com that seams to support me. shadowpriest. com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=30171

That thread is mostly bullshit. It's like 10 pages of people arguing semantics.

Haste will always be a gain, no matter what "plateau" you're at. The word "plateau" is referring to points where haste becomes extremely valuable, like 3202.