[Megathread] Nintendo Wii U

[Tech614]

their base control scheme and objective play hasn't changed in quite some time, at least for their Mario games.

This is blatantly false. 3D World has a run button which no other 3D mario game has. 3D World has powerups that no other 3D Mario game has ever had. 3D World is about as getting from point A to point B as fast as possible with as many collectibles as possible. Sunshine was about collecting stars at your own pace.

Comparing it to Sunshine is especially absurd since Sunshine has a pretty unique controls scheme with the water gun unlike anything in any other Mario game.

Again, if you want me to take an argument seriously it has to first not be straight up false.

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I'll clarify. Both are 3D platformers. .

I gotcha.

So Sonic Adventure, Mario Sunshine, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, Crash, Jak and Banjo all play the same using this logic.

Now that we know this is your entire point here are we done?

If you're going to reply at least let me know all these games that Splatoon copied. Still waiting on that.

[Zython]

The thing is that no one gives a damn about games coming out in September, that isn't what is.selling systems 9 months down the road. The fact of the matter is that after 2015, both the Wii U and 3DS have almost no future. And Nintendo didn't even bother to show up and present their big guns like Zelda some more? That really doesn't continue to put coal in the hype train and really doesn't help their situation when they need to treat E3 like it matters for.drumming up interest in their products. Not to mention how often they continue to just outright ignore franchises rather than actually at least deciding to work on shit. They long ago should have been creating new Earthbound and F-Zero games for instance, and getting another Legendary Starfy game out on portables in the west would help with the games exposure.

I'm going to put this in the nicest way possible.

No one cares about Starfy.

[PenguinChan]

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You're being belligerent and so vehement on the idea that Nintendo does not reuse base control schemes across multiple games over the years. Their gameplay ideas and mechanics are shared across many titles and are very innovative between their own games, as anyone would expect if they're supposed to be a new titles in their series. But while there are different power ups (However similar they can be), a sprint in a 3D Mario games has been done since Mario 64 DS, and 3D World's direct predecessor 3D Land. But what else had a sprint? Their 2D Mario games, which again as an idea and implementation is not anything new in a video game as a whole. But in the series it's fun and new for the 3D games to have them (Not so new, but you get what I mean.)

[Zython]

It seems that the meaning of my question escaped you two. I'll clarify. Both are 3D platformers. They both have central themes that the gameplay focuses on and is tailored to. SMS has the water pack and deals with paint. 3D World has powerups and takes more traditional mario mechanics into play. Nintendo is good at keeping their games fresh I will admit that. But how is that innovative? And even so, other series from Sony have done similar things with the core gameplay to freshen it up.

I fully understand that Nintendo is good at what they do. I am just tired of people acting like Nintendo is the only ones making decent games anymore when that is far from the truth.

I'd argue such was the case in 2014. 2015 seems to be telling a different story. For as long the as the last gen was, it's clear that this one came a year early.

[Poppincaps]

This is blatantly false. 3D World has a run button which no other 3D mario game has. 3D World has powerups that no other 3D Mario game has ever had. 3D World is about as getting from point A to point B as fast as possible with as many collectibles as possible. Sunshine was about collecting stars at your own pace.

Comparing it to Sunshine is especially absurd since Sunshine has a pretty unique controls scheme with the water gun unlike anything in any other Mario game.

Again, if you want me to take an argument seriously it has to first not be straight up false.

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I gotcha.

So Sonic Adventure, Mario Sunshine, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, Crash, Jak and Banjo all play the same using this logic.

Now that we know this is your entire point here are we done?

If you're going to reply at least let me know all these games that Splatoon copied. Still waiting on that.

I never said that they play the same. My entire point is that Nintendo hasn't innovated. Also, I never said that Splatoon copid other games. But if Splatoon is innovative than Gears of War is innovative. Ratchet and Clank is innovative. The point remains, that Nintendo isn't the only ones out there doing new things in video games.

Also, I'm just going to clarify because I'm sure people will be pissed that I called a "gritty shooter" innovative. GoW defined 3rd person cover based shooter this generation. It also plays completely differently from other games in the genre. Play a couple games of the multiplayer. You'll see people playing that game unlike any other shooter.

[tankbug]

I never said that they play the same. My entire point is that Nintendo hasn't innovated. Also, I never said that Splatoon copid other games. But if Splatoon is innovative than Gears of War is innovative. Ratchet and Clank is innovative. The point remains, that Nintendo isn't the only ones out there doing new things in video games.

Also, I'm just going to clarify because I'm sure people will be pissed that I called a "gritty shooter" innovative. GoW defined 3rd person cover based shooter this generation. It also plays completely differently from other games in the genre. Play a couple games of the multiplayer. You'll see people playing that game unlike any other shooter.

Hehe, we differ on the definition of innovation. GoW is a decent, standard shooter. It plays the same as any other not-too-realistic FPS. Maybe I would have changed my mind if I had 200 hours in it, but mostly I find console FPS games to be too painful to play, since I'm used to mouse/keyboard. And Splatoon? Well, I don't think that's too innovative either. A team shooter with a somewhat new game mode.
What Nintendo has done differently the last years are the controllers. It worked well with the Wii, it worked great with the (3)DS, but they kinda gave up on it with the Wii U, which is a shame. Hopefully their balls stay huge and their creativity peaks with the NX. Would be a shame if they chickened out and made a vanilla-console.

[Jester Joe]

Games like Splatoon have been done before. If being a new IP is all it takes to be innovative, then damn every developer is super innovative.

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Also, keep in mind that I respect Nintendo for branching out and exploring new genres and IP, but that is not what innovation is. Sony and Microsoft introduce new IPs all the time but yet you guys sit here and act as if they just rehash the same games every year.

No one said anything about Microsoft or Sony rehashing things. Seems like your fanboy sense was tingling if anything

[draykorinee]

Let's face it all you console fan boys are fighting over who gets second place to the pc master race!!! /sarc

[Jester Joe]

Let's face it all you console fan boys are fighting over who gets second place to the pc master race!!! /sarc

I know you put sarcasm, but that's part of what actually frustrates me too about behavior with video games. If someone else's favorite console isn't first place, it's trash. It's like, I used to think that way too, until I actually got a PS3 and stopped caring.

Yeah, I prefer Nintendo, and then Sony, and don't like Microsoft that much, but I'm not going to go into the Xbone megathread and talk about how terrible Microsoft was for leaving the Kinect in at the start.

[Edge-]

If someone else's favorite console isn't first place, it's trash.

This is with every competitive market, especially tech related (software/hardware). You see it with gpu's, CPU's, phones, chat software, games, OS's, headphones, etc. etc. etc.

Brands are huge, and brand loyalty is a major thing that these companies spend a ton of time and money on.

[draykorinee]

On the flip side gamers get too defensive when other people question decisions these big companies make. For me going in to a Nintendo thread and saying the wii u controller is a gimmick and I don't want to see similar for the next iteration is then greeted by a chorus of "it's not a gimmick" "look what Nintendo have done!" "Innovation" "the wii sold a hundred million"

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This is with every competitive market, especially tech related (software/hardware). You see it with gpu's, CPU's, phones, chat software, games, OS's, headphones, etc. etc. etc.

Brands are huge, and brand loyalty is a major thing that these companies spend a ton of time and money on.

Not the porn market, no-one defends their favorite porn site.

[Jester Joe]

This is with every competitive market, especially tech related (software/hardware). You see it with gpu's, CPU's, phones, chat software, games, OS's, headphones, etc. etc. etc.

Brands are huge, and brand loyalty is a major thing that these companies spend a ton of time and money on.

That's true, if I had a dime for every time my friends would start spouting out Android stuff while I had my iPhone and I was just like "I really don't care, the iPhone was free with the 2 year plan"

On the flip side gamers get too defensive when other people question decisions these big companies make. For me going in to a Nintendo thread and saying the wii u controller is a gimmick and I don't want to see similar for the next iteration is then greeted by a chorus of "it's not a gimmick" "look what Nintendo have done!" "Innovation" "the wii sold a hundred million"

You know, you could of just said you hate the controller and I'd accept it, Nintendo failed with the controller. Gimmick isn't really correct, but alas, that would just be a circular argument at this point.

[draykorinee]

True, wording can be unintentionally provocative to some.

[Poppincaps]

No one said anything about Microsoft or Sony rehashing things. Seems like your fanboy sense was tingling if anything

Except Immitis, who I was originally responding to, said EXACTLY that, so you want to apologize for calling me a fanboy?

[Tech614]

Except Immitis, who I was originally responding to, said EXACTLY that, so you want to apologize for calling me a fanboy?

I still just want you to tell me all the games Splatoon copied tbh.

[Mechazod]

I still just want you to tell me all the games Splatoon copied tbh.

Clearly they were trying to ride on the success of another popular franchise.

[Poppincaps]

I still just want you to tell me all the games Splatoon copied tbh.

Never said Splatoon copied anyone. I just said that there are similar games out there.

[Edge-]

Never said Splatoon copied anyone. I just said that there are similar games out there.

I'm struggling to think of one off the top of my head, to be honest. I haven't followed all the console shooters super closely over the years, but I can't honestly think of any (primarily on PC) that are even remotely similar overall >.>

[Jester Joe]

Except Immitis, who I was originally responding to, said EXACTLY that, so you want to apologize for calling me a fanboy?

I don't see anything, so no. I like how you can call everyone else a fanboy and expect an apology though.

[Poppincaps]

The whole Splatoon thing was a "trap". Splatoon is entirely unique, but I planned on catching him in a double standard. Splatoon is unique but there are a bunch of other Sony and Microsoft IPs that are also unique. Basically, either Splatoon is unique and Nintendo is innovative as well as Sony and Microsoft. Or Splatoon isn't unique and neither are Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft.

My whole point was to show that there are plenty of unique games coming out and innovation isn't exclusive to Nintendo. Nor is it exclusive to Sony or Microsoft.

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I don't see anything, so no. I like how you can call everyone else a fanboy and expect an apology though.

Because you don't want to see it. "whats the difference between the ps2 the xbox, the ps3 360, the ps4 and xbone. theyre all the exact same just slightly stronger each time but not doing much new."

That is exactly what he said. You can scroll back a few pages and verify it for yourself. Also, the only reason I called Immitis a fanboy was because he immediately resorted to insults instead of having a conversation with me. Something that, in my experience, fanboys tend to do when someone criticizes something that they love.