If the US and China went to war, how do you think Alliances would play out?

[Beavis]

Yeah, and which move made china the "aggressor"? China has done nothing but wait and watch, while Japan and US has been sending weapons to those countries that will be standing against China. If they claim it's theirs, then why not sit down and have a peaceful talk about it, or split the spoils instead of sending WEAPONS?

Are you serious? The Chinese regularly engage in hostile action all over the South China Sea. They also refuse to have multilateral talks regarding the status of the South China Sea. That idea was actually advanced by the US and shot down by the Chinese. Read the news, man.

[Skroe]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...X_graphic.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...8PX_story.html
http://www.brookings.edu/events/2012...20516_schwartz
http://www.informationdissemination....ea-battle.html

It's called Air-Sea Battle, and it ends very fucking awfully for China. We start with the proverbial gouging out of their eyes, then follow it up with the cutting of their tougne and ears, and then follow up with the proverbal breaking of their legs.

Our Allies would be South Korea, Japan, the Phillipeans, Australia and a few others. Maybe Vietnam.

China would have North Korea at their side.

Russia would not get involved - they would PREFER to have a weak China due to the vulnerability of the Russian Far East to an expansionist Chinese military camapign.
Pakistan would not get involved, because they know how the US punishes countries who side against it (looking at you, Jordan) in alliances.
India would stay out of it, but likely cheer the US on. They have their own brutal and bloody history with China.

But it would mostly be an American campaign, tightly focused to make sure that it doesn't go nuclear.

In any event, it is believed it is a pretty much defense-proof strategy, which is why Chinese military officials are flipping out over it (but ever is it China's way to cry persecution). See the first two links.

[Sledfang]

...Aren't they both in the UN?

If one were to start a war with another, the other UN nations would be FORCED to defend the one who didn't start it.

So the short answer: Whoever starts it fails.

The UN was started to prevent another world war.

That rule doesnt work as well if the US or Russia start it. Both of these nations easily have the capability to make sure that the whole globe fails if they fail. Where as the Chinese military cannot effectively claim that.

[leokegan]

Are you serious? The Chinese regularly engage in hostile action all over the South China Sea. They also refuse to have multilateral talks regarding the status of the South China Sea. That idea was actually advanced by the US and shot down by the Chinese. Read the news, man.

No, telling the phillipes to back off isn't being aggressive. The Philippine navy has detained six Chinese fishermen and accused them of poaching, local authorities said on Sunday. The incident came amid tension between the two sides over maritime disputes in the South China Sea. trying to rescue their own people isn't being aggressive. if some country touched US people, oh god what they would do. and the US has NO RIGHT to tell what the other country long over the sea what to do. you dont see any other country do it, but the US only.

Butthurt or not, but i am real tried of the shit US is being putting up all the time, that they have to stick their nose up in others business ALL the time.

But i guess all the news YOU've been reading is from the US side, what news do you think they want YOU to know? read neutral news or dont bother reading.

[Beavis]

No, telling the phillipes to back off isn't being aggressive. The Philippine navy has detained six Chinese fishermen and accused them of poaching, local authorities said on Sunday. The incident came amid tension between the two sides over maritime disputes in the South China Sea. trying to rescue their own people isn't being aggressive. if some country touched US people, oh god what they would do. and the US has NO RIGHT to tell what the other country long over the sea what to do. you dont see any other country do it, but the US only.

Butthurt or not, but i am real tried of the shit US is being putting up all the time, that they have to stick their nose up in others business ALL the time.

But i guess all the news YOU've been reading is from the US side, what news do you think they want YOU to know? read neutral news or dont bother reading.

Yep, the telegraph is totally a biased American news source:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-tensions.html

The Chinese built this 15 miles from islands controlled by the Philippines:



Meanwhile, the US is pushing for multilateral talks to end the dispute.

But yeah, we're the fucking bad guys.

[Kraenen]

I still don't understand why people still think China is communist...

[Skroe]

Butthurt or not, but i am real tried of the shit US is being putting up all the time, that they have to stick their nose up in others business ALL the time.

But i guess all the news YOU've been reading is from the US side, what news do you think they want YOU to know? read neutral news or dont bother reading.

AND I will tell you why.

We've been invited.

Like that's the part people like you never seem to grasp, or I think more often ignore on purpose. The LEGITIMATE Democratic government of the Phillipeans INVITED us to deploy 600 marines to their territory, train their military, upgrade their warships, furnish them with new fighters and build new bases. Todays news is that within a few years 6000 US service members may be permanently based in the Phillipeans. We've been invited to do this.

In Europe, we've based hundreds of thousands of Soldiers in ancient countries for decades, at the invitation of European states.

In Japan, we keep the USS George Washington supercarrier deployed there permanently, at the invitation of the Japenese government.

In the Middle East... UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt... our presence in the region, all at the invitations of the government. The US Navy is one of Dubai's biggest customers in fact, and their berths are leased specifically for our aircraft carriers.

Do you see the pattern? We stick our nose in other peoples business, because other people INVITE us to. And they second they don't (such as when Ecuador asked us to vacate a decades old airbase, or when the Phillipeans asked us to leave Clark Air Base, once the largest airbase in the world, in 1993, or Iraq last year), we leave and that's the end of it.

AND MORE TO THE POINT... international waters are known as "global public commons". That means anyone can be there. So long as the US Fleet is 1 foot into international waters, we can be anywhere on the planet we want to be.

[lawladino]

I realize that China and the U.S.A. are very dependent on one another, and are unlikely to go to war with each other. However, since they seem to be the "top" rivals at the moment, I'm genuinely curious what would happen if we did declare war on each other.

Which countries do you think would have America's back, and which countries do you think would have Communist China's back??

you asked this on a website full of americans.

what did you really expect to happen?

[Skroe]

Yep, the telegraph is totally a biased American news source:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-tensions.html

The Chinese built this 15 miles from islands controlled by the Philippines:



Meanwhile, the US is pushing for multilateral talks to end the dispute.

But yeah, we're the fucking bad guys.

China also spent a good five years developing the "carrier killer" ICBM, specifically designed to target US Supercarriers.

Fortunately it took about five months for the US Navy to come up with a countermeasure that rendered them completely ineffective.

[Beavis]

China also spent a good five years developing the "carrier killer" ICBM, specifically designed to target US Supercarriers.

Fortunately it took about five months for the US Navy to come up with a countermeasure that rendered them completely ineffective.

Oh yeah, the technology disparity is hilarious. The China-US relationship is playing out exactly like the Cold War. They're boxed in physically and technologically. It is going to stay that way until their political system collapses under the weight of 500 million middle class Chinese who are tired of having a bunch of technocrats and CCP princelings running the show.

[semaphore]

No one would ally with China outright except maybe North Korea. China has a beef with all of its neighbours.

[obdigore]

Chinese investments make up over 18% of the us economy. The us owes china over 13 trillion dollars. The us is at a place where their necessary spending is getting very close to their annual income, if the chinese were to pull out investments, the economy would fall. Winning the way before it even starts. need I say more?

If by 13 trillion you mean less than 5 trillion, then yes you are correct.

[Deleted]

China have stated multiple times it aims for peace. What wars have china started since WW2. The US will start a war not China.

[obdigore]

China have stated multiple times it aims for peace. What wars have china started since WW2. The US will start a war not China.

I had no idea China started WW2 on that side of the world. Are you sure you know the difference between Japan and China?

[Beavis]

China have stated multiple times it aims for peace. What wars have china started since WW2. The US will start a war not China.

I'm sure the Tibetans and the Vietnamese will be happy to hear of the peaceful intentions of the Chinese.

[semaphore]

China have stated multiple times it aims for peace. What wars have china started since WW2. The US will start a war not China.

Yeah all those pacifist Chinese ever did was invade Taiwain, Tibet, Vietnam, and fought border wars with Russia, India, and invaded the territorial waters of the Phillipines, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia. They're so totally peaceful to everyone.

[Beavis]

Yeah all those pacifist Chinese ever did was invade Taiwain, Tibet, Vietnam, and fought border wars with Russia, India, and invaded the territorial waters of the Phillipines, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia. They're so totally peaceful to everyone.

What are you talking about? Those are Chinese territorial waters.



Get with the times!

[Skroe]

You know, you look at China's Maritime clains, and you can't help but laugh.

What jokers. Here I'll do what they're doing.

Here is America's territorial claims under the Chinese definition.


We have historical first claim! To all of them!

[muto]

The United States would make China surrender, the U.S. has a far superior military.

[Kasierith]

...Aren't they both in the UN?

If one were to start a war with another, the other UN nations would be FORCED to defend the one who didn't start it.

So the short answer: Whoever starts it fails.

The UN was started to prevent another world war.

Not really.... both hold security council seats so all they would have to do would be to veto every resolution attempting to bring UN action against themselves.

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No one would ally with China outright except maybe North Korea. China has a beef with all of its neighbours.

Pretty much this.. the very concept of Russia and China teaming up for war is ludicrous at best. There's been massive animosity since the communist era, and its still around in many forms