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    Quote Originally Posted by calmsea View Post
    Interesting article, but I'm trying to figure out what game they are talking about. I don't think I've ever heard of "Vanguard" and don't know the backstory to this interview.
    Here: http://unsubject.wordpress.com/2012/...-games-online/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henkdejager View Post
    What happend with this game anyway ? it got pulled off steam no clue why sup ?
    Easiest way to describe it is false advertising with a side of very bad PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxfan849 View Post
    The guy said in a video that he had an email from a "credible source" that told him the guy started development in June. In *the same sentence* he says "I don't know who this guy is". He also seems to think that the ex-forum mod might actually know anything about the developers plans. At this point it looks like he's gonna be right and the game is going to fail as a poorly developed cash grab, but it's also pretty obvious that he was willing to believe any negative thing he heard about the developers.
    War Z is basically an reskin of their older garbage cashgrab game, War Inc. When they told the developement time for war Z, they added the development period of War Inc into the list because they basically just added zombies and a hunger bar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Easiest way to describe it is false advertising with a side of very bad PR.
    If that only was all they did... but no, they even outright stole stuff.

    Most of their zombie art is stolen from zombie TV series, movies, games and cosplay photos and just recolored red.

    Oh, and they copy-pasted the ToS of League of Legends and left their url in.

    Even their forum ToS is copied from another forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombinator04 View Post
    Meh... This guy is sitting pretty. It won't be hard for him to beat the very low expectations set by WarZ's "developers" with a standalone DayZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by kivipää View Post
    War Z is basically an reskin of their older garbage cashgrab game, War Inc. When they told the developement time for war Z, they added the development period of War Inc into the list because they basically just added zombies and a hunger bar.
    I think you missed my point. It's not that I'm saying RhinoCrunch was wrong. I'm just saying that he believed an email from some schmuck that he didn't know and a forum mod. Those aren't exactly the most credible sources, even if you refer to them as such. He was ready to believe just about anyone whose comments agreed with what he already thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRobin View Post
    Meh... This guy is sitting pretty. It won't be hard for him to beat the very low expectations set by WarZ's "developers" with a standalone DayZ
    I can see where there would be a lot of pressure. It's painfully obvious that a sandbox zombie apocalypse game is going to rake in cash and whoever does it best first is going to reap the rewards.

    If it's not Day Z Standalone it might be The Dead Linger, or it might be yet another game down the road.

    If he fails, well.....don't really have to mention what'll happen then.

  8. #1048
    The game is not horrible. It is worth $15 for my friends and I. We have had a blast.

    What the developers have done and how they've handled the response to what has been done is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scadouche View Post
    The game is not horrible. It is worth $15 for my friends and I. We have had a blast.

    What the developers have done and how they've handled the response to what has been done is terrible.
    so you loved to pay 15 dollar for whats simply a mod for a f2p game? The only thing what was added to the warz was zombies. artwork that was taken away from walking dead and cosplay pictures and stolen menu music.

    Imo the moment they said they were making this game till now i do believe they did nothing for developement. Only having meetings about how they would spend their money they grabbed. Where Kewk answered: i am going to vegas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onaturi View Post
    so you loved to pay 15 dollar for whats simply a mod for a f2p game?
    What's wrong with that? If someone is enjoying what they purchased, that's fine. He's clearly aware of the shady shit the dev's have done, but does that mean he's not allowed to have fun with the game? >.>

  11. #1051
    Steam was selling it for like 24 hours, I checked a few hours on it and they pulled it. The game is still there, but it's not for sale anymore. From all that I've been hearing, the game was nowhere near ready to be released and so many people complained about wasting money on an unfinished game so Steam removed the purchase button. This game seems very interesting to me, but Steam has it in the Indie category so it may not be as good as I was thinking it would have been

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    Wonder why nobody makes a AAA zombie survival game, they only have to beat a mod and an indie game that isn't put together all too impressively. People clearly have interest in buying such a game, seeing as how War Z was the most sold games for the 24 hours it was up on Steam (no matter how many copies that actually is.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstorm View Post
    Wonder why nobody makes a AAA zombie survival game, they only have to beat a mod and an indie game that isn't put together all too impressively. People clearly have interest in buying such a game, seeing as how War Z was the most sold games for the 24 hours it was up on Steam (no matter how many copies that actually is.)
    There are just plenty of inherent design problems in creating a zombie survival game that deter a lot of developers (and investors) from taking that risk in an already unstable MMO market.

    The good news is that there are some in developments in the works that I'm keeping my eyes on because they seem to hold some promise. Aside from The Dead Linger, there's Undead Lab's State of Decay (AKA Class 3) which is single player I believe, but they have stated long ago that they will use feedback from that game to create the MMO version dubbed 'Class 4'. This game has been in vaporware for a VERY long time, it's great to actually see some progress now. From the small clip they've released for State of Decay, it seems promising. You can check it out at http://undeadlabs.com/. There's more interviews posted on the forum that talk about the design of the game.

    There's also the possibility that Techland (maker of Dead Island) is creating an open world MMO since they registered a trademark for the name 'Dead World'. I liked Dead Island overall and I think if they can add complexity and depth to the game, it could make for a great MMO.

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    Thank the lord this was only 10 bucks. I'll just keep it in my steam library so I can laugh from time to time.

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    I don't believe this video has been posted yet:

    To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
    I’m not that arrogant.

    The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowstorm View Post
    Wonder why nobody makes a AAA zombie survival game, they only have to beat a mod and an indie game that isn't put together all too impressively. People clearly have interest in buying such a game, seeing as how War Z was the most sold games for the 24 hours it was up on Steam (no matter how many copies that actually is.)
    As Goosie said, its a high risk genre. The thing is, outside of surviving the undead and finding food and supplies what other content is there? Not everyone enjoys player created/driven content and it would be close to impossible to write content fast enough to keep everyone interested.

    No, Zombie Apoc survival is a niche genre for sure.

    But with the upcoming film World War Z starring Brad Pitt, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few pop up to ride the coat tales of the movies fame. By then we should also see the DayZ SA out and possibly even the Dead Lingor which regardless of its current state, will show promise as its being built from the ground up.

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    Oh yeah, its definitely "niche." Nor am I convinced there is a lot of pressure here. Thanks to WarZ, the bar has been set about as low as it can go. I think we can safely say that being first, or now second, to launch is no longer the big "thing" here. The next zombie sandbox to launch is going to be greeted with a lot more scrutiny. So all the more reason to take your time with it.
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    people keep mentioning the copy pasted TOS from LOL but that wasnt the most shocking thing, while on steam they postsed up a new TOS which in bold at the top stated if they accepted it people would no longer be entitled to a refund, that is the most shocking or all. The former is laziness, the latter is outright illegal. I doubt steam will ever allow it back onto their store. Also look at it on metacritic :P

    This has turned out better than i could have imagine in terms of it crashing and burning. The only depressing thing about this whole situation is simply that rocket has questioned his own game as a result of it. I hope for one he stays true and continues with his work, someone has to save this industry after its integrity has been shattered so badly. Also it has just shown the sheer level of stupidity of the general gaming populace. Next time people need to open their eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triggy89 View Post
    people keep mentioning the copy pasted TOS from LOL but that wasnt the most shocking thing, while on steam they postsed up a new TOS which in bold at the top stated if they accepted it people would no longer be entitled to a refund, that is the most shocking or all. The former is laziness, the latter is outright illegal. I doubt steam will ever allow it back onto their store. Also look at it on metacritic :P

    This has turned out better than i could have imagine in terms of it crashing and burning. The only depressing thing about this whole situation is simply that rocket has questioned his own game as a result of it. I hope for one he stays true and continues with his work, someone has to save this industry after its integrity has been shattered so badly. Also it has just shown the sheer level of stupidity of the general gaming populace. Next time people need to open their eyes.
    The latter isn't outright illegal. In fact look at most EULA.
    However remember that your local law will always trump EULA / TOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    The latter isn't outright illegal. In fact look at most EULA.
    However remember that your local law will always trump EULA / TOS.
    to outright deny refund in any form is illegal in A LOT of places and therefore effectively nulls their TOS. Of course if it is a case of someone simply not liking the game that is a different matter, but for example for them to refuse a refund due them them selling the game off the back of false advertising is illegal. Granted though you are right, local law will always trump EULA / TOS. There are very few game TOS which will outright deny you a refund in any situation because quite simply they are not allowed to as selling a faulty or misadvertised product automatically puts you in the right and you are by law allowed a refund, so therefore it is illegal.

    most EULA do NOT have a overarching no refund clause as it would breach local laws, as you stated.
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